OT: CONGRATS TO THE 2009 NBA CHAMPIONS- Los Angeles L*kers

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Денг Гордон said:
I can't believe Mark Jackson and Jeff Van Gundy just were talking about how Kobe is on MJ's level, and has to be talked about being up there with Jordan. No he does not. The three point shot is probably the only thing that Kobe does better on a basketball court than Michael Jordan.
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Good for you, you thought Pau was the MVP.
 
Денг Гордон said:
I can't believe Mark Jackson and Jeff Van Gundy just were talking about how Kobe is on MJ's level, and has to be talked about being up there with Jordan. No he does not. The three point shot is probably the only thing that Kobe does better on a basketball court than Michael Jordan.
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No Zone Defense in his era though, I'll give Bryant that.
 
Fuck the L*kers and fuck their fans. Take your victory celebration to a forum that wants it. frankly I hope their plane goes down on the way back to LA......Well, maybe just have someone go Tanya Harding on K8be's knee instead. I hate K*be and everything he stands for off the court. He is nothing more than OJ part II.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Fuck the L*kers and fuck their fans. Take your victory celebration to a forum that wants it. frankly I hope their plane goes down on the way back to LA......Well, maybe just have someone go Tanya Harding on K8be's knee instead. I hate K*be and everything he stands for off the court. He is nothing more than OJ part II.
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You are a very hateful person. I'm sorry you can't appreciate other people achieving success.
 
Speaking of Gashole, does Chris Wallace get a ring too?
 
I really don't mind most of the L*kers right now, with the exception being Derek Fisher. Dude is a fucking dickwad. I hate that fucker.
 
BTOWN_HUSTLA said:
I really don't mind most of the L*kers right now, with the exception being Derek Fisher. Dude is a fucking dickwad. I hate that fucker.
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I don't mind the Laker players at all. I actually like most of them.


Its the people that cheer for them (or most of them) I deem to be pig-headed jock lickers who are completely undeserving of this kind of glory.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Fuck the L*kers and fuck their fans. Take your victory celebration to a forum that wants it. frankly I hope their plane goes down on the way back to LA......Well, maybe just have someone go Tanya Harding on K8be's knee instead. I hate K*be and everything he stands for off the court. He is nothing more than OJ part II.
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Nahhh don't wish harm on the players, they're merely doing their job.


Direct your hate at the fanbase - the ones who actually deserve it.
 
HookInMouth said:
I don't mind the Laker players at all. I actually like most of them.


Its the people that cheer for them (or most of them) I deem to be pig-headed jock lickers who are completely undeserving of this kind of glory.
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Completely agree. I used to hate Kobe with ungodly passion, but honestly, he deserves it for working so hard and being so focused.

Their lame ass fans on the other hand...honestly, I think that's where most of the L*ker hate comes from...their fans are the biggest dipshits on earth.
 
huevonkiller said:
No Zone Defense in his era though, I'll give Bryant that.
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When Michael Jordan played, players could handcheck you on defense. Scoring efficiency is up leaguewide since the rule change...so it's hard to say that the current era is tougher than the handcheck era.

Career:

PPG: MJ - 30.1 > Kobe - 25.1
RPG: MJ - 6.2 > Kobe - 5.3
APG: MJ - 5.3 > Kobe - 4.6
SPG: MJ - 2.3 > Kobe - 1.5
BPG: MJ - 0.8 > Kobe - 0.6
TOV: MJ - 2.7 > Kobe - 2.8

FG%: MJ - 49.7 > Kobe - 45.5
FT%: Kobe - 84.0 > MJ - 83.5
3PT%: Kobe - 34.1 > MJ - 32.7
eFG%: MJ - 50.9 > MJ - 48.8
TS%: MJ - 56.9 > Kobe - 55.8

PER: MJ - 27.9 > Kobe - 23.6
O-Rtg: MJ - 118 > Kobe - 112
D-Rtg: MJ - 103 > Kobe - 105
OWS/48: MJ - .171 > Kobe - .140
DWS/48: MJ - .073 > Kobe - .053
WS/48: MJ - .244 > Kobe - .193

Playoffs:

PPG: MJ - 33.4 > Kobe - 25.0
RPG: MJ - 6.4 > Kobe - 5.1
APG: MJ - 5.7 > Kobe - 4.7
SPG: MJ - 2.1 > Kobe - 1.4
BPG: MJ - 0.9 > Kobe - 0.7

FG%: MJ - 48.7 > Kobe - 44.7
FT%: MJ - 82.8 > Kobe - 81.0
3PT%: MJ - 33.2 > Kobe - 32.9
eFG%: MJ - 50.3 > Kobe - 47.8
TS%: MJ - 56.8 > Kobe - 53.9

PER: MJ - 28.6 > Kobe - 22.0
O-Rtg: MJ - 118 > Kobe - 109
D-Rtg: MJ - 104 > Kobe - 106
OWS/48: MJ - .171 > Kobe - .116
DWS/48: MJ - .078 > Kobe - .043
WS/48: MJ - .249 > Kobe - .159

It's not even debateable.
 
hah, yeah...only better with long range bombing.....have to consider the line was back further in MJs time.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Fuck the L*kers and fuck their fans. Take your victory celebration to a forum that wants it. frankly I hope their plane goes down on the way back to LA......Well, maybe just have someone go Tanya Harding on K8be's knee instead. I hate K*be and everything he stands for off the court. He is nothing more than OJ part II.
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Sad to see that KoMe hate such as this is dying in Blazerland. :cheers:

WTF happened to the rest of you?
 
LameR said:
You are a very hateful person. I'm sorry you can't appreciate other people achieving success.
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Silly thing to say. I hate the L*kers, and always hae. Why in the world would I be happy if they won? I would have been happy for any other team.

As a Yankee fan I heted to see the Redsox win as well.

I don't understand how a fan of the Trailblazers can be happy to see the L*kers win to be honest.
 
Is there seriously a Kobe/MJ debate going on right now? Kobe has 4 rings, MJ has 6. 3 of Kobe's came with one of the top five centers to play the game.


That's the end of it, sorry. Until Kobe wins 3 more.
 
HookInMouth said:
Nahhh don't wish harm on the players, they're merely doing their job.


Direct your hate at the fanbase - the ones who actually deserve it.
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Ya, I decided only a bashed knee was in order. I don't want anyone to die....not even the rapist.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Silly thing to say. I hate the L*kers, and always hae. Why in the world would I be happy if they won? I would have been happy for any other team.

As a Yankee fan I heted to see the Redsox win as well.

I don't understand how a fan of the Trailblazers can be happy to see the L*kers win to be honest.
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Why hate on the players? Are they supposed to lose, just to make you happy?
 
Денг Гордон said:
When Michael Jordan played, players could handcheck you on defense. Scoring efficiency is up leaguewide since the rule change...so it's hard to say that the current era is tougher than the handcheck era.

Career:

PPG: MJ - 30.1 > Kobe - 25.1
RPG: MJ - 6.2 > Kobe - 5.3
APG: MJ - 5.3 > Kobe - 4.6
SPG: MJ - 2.3 > Kobe - 1.5
BPG: MJ - 0.8 > Kobe - 0.6
TOV: MJ - 2.7 > Kobe - 2.8

FG%: MJ - 49.7 > Kobe - 45.5
FT%: Kobe - 84.0 > MJ - 83.5
3PT%: Kobe - 34.1 > MJ - 32.7
eFG%: MJ - 50.9 > MJ - 48.8
TS%: MJ - 56.9 > Kobe - 55.8

PER: MJ - 27.9 > Kobe - 23.6
O-Rtg: MJ - 118 > Kobe - 112
D-Rtg: MJ - 103 > Kobe - 105
OWS/48: MJ - .171 > Kobe - .140
DWS/48: MJ - .073 > Kobe - .053
WS/48: MJ - .244 > Kobe - .193

Playoffs:

PPG: MJ - 33.4 > Kobe - 25.0
RPG: MJ - 6.4 > Kobe - 5.1
APG: MJ - 5.7 > Kobe - 4.7
SPG: MJ - 2.1 > Kobe - 1.4
BPG: MJ - 0.9 > Kobe - 0.7

FG%: MJ - 48.7 > Kobe - 44.7
FT%: MJ - 82.8 > Kobe - 81.0
3PT%: MJ - 33.2 > Kobe - 32.9
eFG%: MJ - 50.3 > Kobe - 47.8
TS%: MJ - 56.8 > Kobe - 53.9

PER: MJ - 28.6 > Kobe - 22.0
O-Rtg: MJ - 118 > Kobe - 109
D-Rtg: MJ - 104 > Kobe - 106
OWS/48: MJ - .171 > Kobe - .116
DWS/48: MJ - .078 > Kobe - .043
WS/48: MJ - .249 > Kobe - .159

It's not even debateable.
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The Current era is more athletic imo, combined with Zone. The League almost went bankrupt in the 80's I think? Kobe's already empirically on par with almost anyone, he had 15+ win shares on a 45 win team at his peak, in the West.

If people want to say Jordan is better that's fine, but you're a hypocrite with the Stats. You bring up TS%, but ignore Win Shares or Per when it doesn't suit you. Howard isn't on his level, showed it here against Gasol.
 
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HookInMouth said:
Is there seriously a Kobe/MJ debate going on right now? Kobe has 4 rings, MJ has 6. 3 of Kobe's came with one of the top five centers to play the game.


That's the end of it, sorry. Until Kobe wins 3 more.
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Kobe just won with Pau Gasol, Odom, Ariza, and no bench. I think it is pretty admirable, not just some other title.

The whole MJ thing is tough though, he's got 6 still.
 
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