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'MJ gave away his best two players in the past year, and got an undersized PG and a project for it.'

'Who is going to score for that team?'

Biyombo looks closer to 23 than he does to 18.

I don't understand why people were so positive about trading away Stephen Jackson for Biyombo and Magette, either.
 
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I didn't like the Biyombo pick, but I will love the Harrison Barnes pick next year for them
 
Mediocre Man said:
I didn't like the Biyombo pick, but I will love the Harrison Barnes pick next year for them
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Barnes underwhelmed at UNC for most of last year, and I just don't think he is athletic enough to be an elite NBA SG/SF.

In the meantime, Minnesota and Cleveland now have competition in the "who will get to 15 wins last" derby.
 
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If you are rebuilding then rebuild. The Bobcats needed to rebuild and probably will be in that mode for the next 2 to 3 drafts so you have to start somewhere.
 
Nikolokolus said:
If you are rebuilding then rebuild. The Bobcats needed to rebuild and probably will be in that mode for the next 2 to 3 drafts so you have to start somewhere.
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What was the last team to completely tear down their roster like this and become a good team?

Portland? Perhaps, but the Blazers had a #2 pick and a #6 pick to use as a foundation.
 
PapaG said:
What was the last team to completely tear down their roster like this and become a good team?

Portland? Perhaps, but the Blazers had a #2 pick and a #6 pick to use as a foundation.
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Oklahoma City.

They lost Allen and Lewis and sucked but are now pretty good.

Ed O.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Almost all teams have. With exception of the Lakers, maybe
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Really? It just doesn't seem like it to me, in terms of just giving away your two best players. Charlotte will potentially struggle to win 15 games next year, and they already have trouble drawing fans.
 
Cowherd sure is going after the right team.

After all, if the Bobcats don't make that deal they would win 30, maybe 35 games next season.
Pretty much what will happen next year not matter what happens.

They save 3.5 million, don't get appreciably worse and make a gamble on a guy who might turn out to be another Ilbaka.

Seriously, if you want slag on a team with regards to that trade it's the Kings who fucked up.

Then again, Cowherd isn't known for being smart, just loud.
 
Seems to me that although Stephen Jackson gives a lot of energy and effort, he is a high volume, low percentage shooter, not really good for a team that is trying to develop players.
 
PapaG said:
What was the last team to completely tear down their roster like this and become a good team?

Portland? Perhaps, but the Blazers had a #2 pick and a #6 pick to use as a foundation.
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No, we had the #4 only. We traded to get Roy (#7) and traded to get Aldridge (#2). We also used assets named Ratliff, Telfair, and Kryapa to get those guys with our picks.

Portland, Seattle/OKC, and Chicago have recently done the rebuild thing. Now, CLE and CHA are doing same.
 
RedHotAndRolling said:
No, we had the #4 only. We traded to get Roy (#7) and traded to get Aldridge (#2). We also used assets named Ratliff, Telfair, and Kryapa to get those guys with our picks.

Portland, Seattle/OKC, and Chicago have recently done the rebuild thing. Now, CLE and CHA are doing same.
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None of the bolded players combined have the value of Stephen Jackson or Gerald Wallace.

I love how because it was Cho doing this, suddenly it makes perfect sense. What in MJ's history says that he's making the right move?

I'm also aware that the Blazers had the #4 pick, since I posted that yesterday. My point was the "rebuild" started with a #2 and #6 pick (Foye was the 7th pick, not Roy). OKC's "rebuild" started with a #2 and #5. Chicago's rebuild was eons ago, and they struggled for years.

For Gerald Wallace and Stephen Jackson, the Bobbers received Bismack Biyombo, Dante Cunningham, Przy, a 2013 first-round pick, and Corey Magette. If the Blazers had done that, there would be a few posters who would literally quit being a fan.
 
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Again, though, the Thunder had a #2 and a #5 pick.
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Yes, and now the Bobcats are in a position to add a top 5 pick in future drafts just as OKC was in that position after trading away Allen and Lewis. Charlotte would be far less likely of acquiring top5 draft picks if they kept Jackson and Wallace.
 
PapaG said:
None of the bolded players combined have the value of Stephen Jackson or Gerald Wallace.

I love how because it was Cho doing this, suddenly it makes perfect sense.
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Cho had nothing to do with the Wallace trade. I guess he did, but on the other side :)

And you talk like Charlotte's not going to add another high lottery pick (like Portland and OKC did)... I don't really know what you're trying to say in this thread.

Ed O.
 
Draco said:
Yes, and now the Bobcats are in a position to add a top 5 pick in future drafts just as OKC was in that position after trading away Allen and Lewis. Charlotte would be far less likely of acquiring top5 draft picks if they kept Jackson and Wallace.
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What assets does Charlotte have left to add another Top 5 pick?
 
Ed O said:
Cho had nothing to do with the Wallace trade. I guess he did, but on the other side :)

And you talk like Charlotte's not going to add another high lottery pick (like Portland and OKC did)... I don't really know what you're trying to say in this thread.

Ed O.
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I just find it funny how little Charlotte got for Wallace and Jackson. The Kemba Walker pick is also a head-scratcher, considering they have DJ Augustin.
 
PapaG said:
What assets does Charlotte have left to add another Top 5 pick?
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They will lose a LOT of games. It's their dearth of assets that will get them another high pick :)

Ed O.
 
PapaG said:
I just find it funny how little Charlotte got for Wallace and Jackson. The Kemba Walker pick is also a head-scratcher, considering they have DJ Augustin.
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Kemba could be better than Augustin. The Bobcats need young fresh talent. If you are a team void of talent like Charlotte, you should take BPA no matter what.
 
PapaG said:
What was the last team to completely tear down their roster like this and become a good team?

Portland? Perhaps, but the Blazers had a #2 pick and a #6 pick to use as a foundation.
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For some reason Chicago comes to mind. In 2001 they traded proven commodity and a very good player in Elton Brand for the rights to Tyson Chandler. Most experts scratched their head at that move at the time. With two HS players as their mainstay they sucked again and picked Jay Williams (who due to a variety of reasons never panned out). In 2002 they get Kirk Hinrich. In 2003 they get Ben Gordon and Luol Deng. The next season 2003-04, they are pretty bad. 2004-05 season they make the playoffs and have made the playoffs since except for one season. Although they were mostly a marginal playoff team, that was not that slow of a turn around. Considering they gave Elton Brand up for what turned out to be unproven rookies at the time and neither player became a mainstay, if you throw enough darts at the board some of them are bound to hit. Who knows maybe one of these darts will hit, or maybe it will take longer to rebuild. Charlotte probably wasn't going anywhere anyway with their roster last year.
 
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Let's look at Charlotte's situation another way. Next year's draft is supposed to be stacked. They'll have their own high lottery pick (almost a guarantee with their current roster) and our middle first rounder (assuming we make the playoffs as a low seed ... also likely). So who knows what can be done with two firsts and DJ Agustin ... maybe they'll get a real stud or two?

They'll need some luck and some ping pong balls to bounce their way, but I like their chances of maybe even being good in two years.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Let's look at Charlotte's situation another way. Next year's draft is supposed to be stacked. They'll have their own high lottery pick (almost a guarantee with their current roster) and our middle first rounder (assuming we make the playoffs as a low seed ... also likely). So who knows what can be done with two firsts and DJ Agustin ... maybe they'll get a real stud or two?

They'll need some luck and some ping pong balls to bounce their way, but I like their chances of maybe even being good in two years.
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They have our 2013 pick, not 2012.
 
What I found interesting about Charlotte's draft is that it appears that it could have been Portland's draft. One of my concerns about Cho was whether he could orchestrate a good trade. Quite bluntly I think we may all look back on this draft and realize that we could have chosen at 7 or 9. Time will tell but it sure looks like Round 1 of Cho versus Paul goes to Cho. I really don't think he gave up much to move up.
 
I liked the Bobcats moves as well. Biyombo was probably drafted too high, but there was not that much available at where they picked. If they would have drafted for need instead of Walker, critics would be slamming them for it. I would not be surprised to see DJ moved since he is due for an extension and the Bobcats could gain other assets plus future cap space.

They have some pieces to build around. Next year they get a franchise player in the draft since they do not have one on the roster currently.

I can see how the Blazers did not want to go the same rebuild route, but it works for Charlotte given the situation.
 
For Three said:
What I found interesting about Charlotte's draft is that it appears that it could have been Portland's draft. One of my concerns about Cho was whether he could orchestrate a good trade. Quite bluntly I think we may all look back on this draft and realize that we could have chosen at 7 or 9. Time will tell but it sure looks like Round 1 of Cho versus Paul goes to Cho. I really don't think he gave up much to move up.
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How so? By giving away one the Blazers' best players for the #7 pick? That's basically what Charlotte did. They got MUCH worse in the present to try and rebuild for the future.
 
PapaG said:
How so? By giving away one the Blazers' best players for the #7 pick? That's basically what Charlotte did. They got MUCH worse in the present to try and rebuild for the future.
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Which lines them up for a great draft pick in a loaded draft next year.
 
Ed O said:
They will lose a LOT of games. It's their dearth of assets that will get them another high pick :)

Ed O.
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As soon as their next pick hits top 5 the year after next it's Chicagos

Thank you Tyrus
 
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