OT: Doc Rivers and Garnett to the Clippers?

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Rastapopoulos said:
That would be interesting. And it would protect us from getting DeAndre Jordan.
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I told two of my Clippers friends that would happen the day after the Clippers were bounced.
(The Doc Rivers part) I am sure I was not alone with that guess. You knew Doc did not want to go through a rebuild with the Celtics, and the Clippers needed a coach the "super stars" would all respect. Not a lot of other options there.
 
I'm beginning to read articles about this. The Clippers are even dumber than I thought.
 
The latest seems to be:

Celtics insist that Eric Bledsoe be included (they want Jordan, Bledsoe and two firsts for Doc, Garnett AND Pierce).
Clippers say that's a deal-breaker and say that they've now moved on and will hire Hollins or Shaw (not so much because they think Bledsoe is All That, but because they wanted to turn around and do a Griffin-and-Bledsoe trade for Dwight Howard OR Bledsoe for Aaron Afflalo)
Supposedly Doc Rivers is perfectly okay with coming back to coach the Celtics if all of this falls through.

Also supposedly: the Lakers WILL NOT DO a sign-and-trade. (But doesn't everybody say that until the player says he's leaving for sure anyway?)
 
Thanks for the updates. I can't believe a coach is being used in trade talks, takes trade talks to a whole different level. I would gladly trade Stotts for a rotational NBA player.

Should they start adding coaches to the salary cap? Paul Allen should pay Jackson ungodly amount of money and then trade his ass. :)
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
Thanks for the updates. I can't believe a coach is being used in trade talks, takes trade talks to a whole different level. I would gladly trade Stotts for a rotational NBA player.

Should they start adding coaches to the salary cap? Paul Allen should pay Jackson ungodly amount of money and then trade his ass. :)
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I know you're joking but Wojo felt it necessary to clarify that Doc could not be traded and it was all just "compensation" for letting him out of his contract (like the Knicks got from Miami for Riley).
 
Bill Simmons @BillSimmons about 23 minutes ago
I don't blame Doc for trying to bail, but he can't come back now. He just tried to quit on his players. Now he's going to coach them?


Bill Simmons @BillSimmons about 22 minutes ago
I still think this Clips-Celts trade will happen in some form. Celts don't want to pay a coach $7m a year who doesn't want to be there.


Bill Simmons @BillSimmons about 14 minutes ago
CORRECTED: Don't rule out this trade: Jordan, Butler, Green + a 1st rounder for Doc, KG + the Terry/Lee contracts. Clips keep Bledsoe.
 
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Olshey in Clipperland was like the first human to emerge from the apes.

I can't believe how stupid the Clippers are.
 
Now it's on again, supposedly:

The Boston Celtics and Los Angeles Clippers are discussing possible compromises to including guard Eric Bledsoe into the Kevin Garnett-Doc Rivers deal with hopes of completing an agreement on Monday, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.Doc Rivers and Kevin Garnett could soon be headed to Los Angeles. (Getty Images)Discussions over a blockbuster deal reached an impasse on Saturday when Boston general manager Danny Ainge held firm that Bledsoe had to be a part of package that included DeAndre Jordan and a first-round pick, but sources say that Boston has shown a willingness to find another asset to supplant Bledsoe and complete the complicated deal, sources said.
The Clippers are prepared to give Rivers a five-year deal to coach and believe acquiring Rivers and Garnett – who will waive his no-trade clause – will lock up the re-signing of free-agent superstar Chris Paul, sources said.
The prospects of bringing Rivers back to the Celtics have become less appealing for Boston, who understand, as one league executive said, "There's no putting the genie back in the bottle. You can't pretend this didn't happen and just go back to work."
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The latest: Boston is being bartered down to nothing. They wanted Jordan, Bledsoe and two firsts or the Clippers to take the bad contracts of Lee and Terry off their hands. The Clippers have called their bluff and are standing firm on Jordan and one pick and NOT taking back bad contracts, because they figure the Celtics can't keep Rivers after all this so have no bargaining power.
 
Looks like the Clippers kept bending over the Celtics further and further until the Celtics said 'enough'. Celtics had to establish their limit. It will be interesting to see if they work something out.
 
Smoke screen that the Clippers are calling the talks off.They just want to cool down the outside talk a bit.
 
BigGameDamian said:
Smoke screen that the Clippers are calling the talks off.They just want to cool down the outside talk a bit.
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It was reported that the Celtics shut the talks down and Ainge went as far as to call Doc and tell him talks were done and he was welcome to stay in Boston.
 
Rhal said:
It was reported that the Celtics shut the talks down and Ainge went as far as to call Doc and tell him talks were done and he was welcome to stay in Boston.
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If Anige had to call Doc to tell him that he's welcome to stay in Boston after all that Doc has done for that city and team then he's an asshole!
 
I'm surprised nobody has wondered aloud whether or not a Rivers-Garnett combination wouldn't be of interest to the Blazers. I guess it would be unrealistic, because we aren't "a piece or two away" from a contender, and Garnett is older than dirt, AND we've just hired Stotts and are trying not to have too much turnover...

BUT: it seems to me that teams that have had success have established a culture of winning. And Garnett is nothing if not a competitor. And old as he is, he's still an incredible team defender and has moved to playing C. And players LOVE Doc...
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I'm surprised nobody has wondered aloud whether or not a Rivers-Garnett combination wouldn't be of interest to the Blazers. I guess it would be unrealistic, because we aren't "a piece or two away" from a contender, and Garnett is older than dirt, AND we've just hired Stotts and are trying not to have too much turnover...

BUT: it seems to me that teams that have had success have established a culture of winning. And Garnett is nothing if not a competitor. And old as he is, he's still an incredible team defender and has moved to playing C. And players LOVE Doc...
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Reports are talking about how Doc wants to coach a contender and not a team in the middle of figuring out how to make the playoffs. Plus what the heck are we going to give up for Doc/Garnett because LA/Lillard/Batum/Leonard wouldn't go out in a situation like that.
 
BBert said:
Looks like the Clippers kept bending over the Celtics further and further until the Celtics said 'enough'. Celtics had to establish their limit. It will be interesting to see if they work something out.
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It looks like the Clippers are the ones who pulled the plug. Ainge isn't the type to be taken advantage of either way.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I'm surprised nobody has wondered aloud whether or not a Rivers-Garnett combination wouldn't be of interest to the Blazers. I guess it would be unrealistic, because we aren't "a piece or two away" from a contender, and Garnett is older than dirt, AND we've just hired Stotts and are trying not to have too much turnover...

BUT: it seems to me that teams that have had success have established a culture of winning. And Garnett is nothing if not a competitor. And old as he is, he's still an incredible team defender and has moved to playing C. And players LOVE Doc...
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I thought Garnett was to old for the team?
 
Rhal said:
Reports are talking about how Doc wants to coach a contender and not a team in the middle of figuring out how to make the playoffs. Plus what the heck are we going to give up for Doc/Garnett because LA/Lillard/Batum/Leonard wouldn't go out in a situation like that.
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I thought the reports were simply that Doc doesn't want to go through a rebuild (again). With LA/Lillard/Batum/Garnett, that would be a playoff team (I think). I think Garnett would be more of an issue because he'd want an IMMEDIATE shot at a title, and that wouldn't happen.

What we can give up? That is a problem. We don't have a $10M contract in DeAndre Jordan, for one thing. I'm not sure how interested Boston would be in Wes's $6.5M contract, and besides, I have a feeling Wes would be the kind of player who Doc would love and vice versa.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
What we can give up? That is a problem. We don't have a $10M contract in DeAndre Jordan, for one thing. I'm not sure how interested Boston would be in Wes's $6.5M contract, and besides, I have a feeling Wes would be the kind of player who Doc would love and vice versa.
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Batum would have to be the player we'd give up, but even that wouldn't be enough apparently, considering the C's wanted 2 #1s in addition to Jordan.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I'm surprised nobody has wondered aloud whether or not a Rivers-Garnett combination wouldn't be of interest to the Blazers. I guess it would be unrealistic, because we aren't "a piece or two away" from a contender, and Garnett is older than dirt, AND we've just hired Stotts and are trying not to have too much turnover...

BUT: it seems to me that teams that have had success have established a culture of winning. And Garnett is nothing if not a competitor. And old as he is, he's still an incredible team defender and has moved to playing C. And players LOVE Doc...
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KG would never waive his no trade clause to play here.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
The latest: Boston is being bartered down to nothing. They wanted Jordan, Bledsoe and two firsts or the Clippers to take the bad contracts of Lee and Terry off their hands. The Clippers have called their bluff and are standing firm on Jordan and one pick and NOT taking back bad contracts, because they figure the Celtics can't keep Rivers after all this so have no bargaining power.
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The problem here is that the idea that Boston may have been asking for Jordan AND Bledsoe AND picks/or bad contracts was a way too high price that they weren't ever going to get to begin with. To say you lost what you never had is framing.
 
Garnett is not good enough anymore to make some one a contender, he is only good enough to help a team make that last step. Perfect for the Clips, OKC, Miami, Houston (with Howard), but his contract is too much for most contenders.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Batum would have to be the player we'd give up, but even that wouldn't be enough apparently, considering the C's wanted 2 #1s in addition to Jordan.
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We could actually fit KG into our caproom (I think) and we could give up our #10 pick. After that, we could promise a couple of picks down the road... But as has been pointed out, I can't see KG wanting to come here.
 
Ainge is so dumb if he doesn't just take whatever the Clips are willing to give up. Doc is not even a good coach. KG is useless to the Celtics right now. Same with Pierce. He would be getting something for nothing.
 
44Thrilla said:
Ainge is so dumb if he doesn't just take whatever the Clips are willing to give up. Doc is not even a good coach. KG is useless to the Celtics right now. Same with Pierce. He would be getting something for nothing.
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Seriously..... Wasn't Doc on the hot seat until they got KG/Allen? Bringing in two HOFers who were still All-Stars can make any coach look good. I've never thought Doc was a great coach. He just happened to have KG, Pierce, Allen, and Rondo to make him look brilliant. I think those four could make Maurice Cheeks look like a competent coach.
 
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