OT: Dwight Howard's elbow...

[Денг Гордон]

Sorta like the 80's... NBA's golden age. I'd only call a flagrant foul if it results in actual serious injury. Just like back then. But no, Stern is turning good hard-nosed basketball into soccer, little by little. Sad.

There is good irony in this statement. So you agree it should have been called a flagrant, because Brad Miller had a loose tooth, his teeth went through his lip, causing him to have to get a ton of stitches, and he was coughing up blood.

 

[JE]

you've been wrong with your silly hyperbole since the start of the thread, why stop now? I don't hate the Celts, but I thought it was definitely a flagrant foul.

Fine. Most.

Why are you unable to disagree without belittling those who hold a different opinion?

So some guy calls my posts homer-tastic, and he shouldn't be expecting a harsh retort? lol ok

 

[hasoos]

Rondo - Flagrant 1

Howard - Flagrant 2

Anyone that thought Rondo was making a play on the ball is a homer to the Nth degree.

Really I am a homer to the Nth degree? I don't give a shit about Boston, and in fact hate the team. I just recognize there is a difference between intentionally fouling somebody, and going for the ball but being way to small to get there and end up clobbering somebody. The fact is Rondo went for a block, and was much too small to get to where he wanted. So he ended up getting body. I would have still called it a flagrant because of too much physical contact.

 

[Денг Гордон]

“We got a lot of guys getting head shots this series. Everyone’s had to shake off these high hits they’ve been putting on. It was a good shot to take to the head. I didn’t see it, but I felt it. There’s still no excuse (for missing the first free throw). There was blood on the floor. One tooth (was loose). You’ll have to ask them how many stitches they put in. I was spun backward with the forearm shiver to the face. They were just trying to get it to stop bleeding. I shut my eyes until they told me they were done (with the stitching). I should be all right. It was a hell of a hit.”

This is something that was overlooked. Brad Miller got his stitches ON THE SIDELINE before taking those two free throws.

You know this was a flagrant. Everyone knows it was a flagrant.

Bulls got screwed for a few reasons.

1. If Rondo has to commit a non-flagrant foul, the ball wouldn't have went flying out of Miller's hands with a lack of control, so it would have hit the rim. Even if he missed, it would have been goaltending, because Perkins hit the rim. Either and one with a Rondo foul, or just the bucket if Rondo didn't foul at all.

2. If it's a flagrant, Bulls don't have to have a guy who just got stitches and has some compound in his mouth to stop the bleeding take free throws. Instead they get Gordon at the line and the ball back for the final posession.

 

[Денг Гордон]

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HEE DROooO BLUDD!!! FLAYGRINT ON PARCKER

I hope you can realize the difference between incidental contact of heads colliding, and Rondo hitting Miller in the face intentionally. Please don't tell me that that was a spontaneous arm action by Rondo.

 

[STOMP]

So some guy calls my posts homer-tastic, and he shouldn't be expecting a harsh retort? lol ok

lots of posters think they speak for the masses here, none do. If there is one thing I've learned in my time with this group it's that we can disagree on just about anything. I've even seen Blazer posters hoping to lose in the playoffs so the team can get on with what they see as the real priority of cutting players they don't like

So no matter what you might express, expect someone to take issue and don't be surprised if there is some vitriol included. Just please leave the rest of us out of your response.

STOMP

 

[JE]

So no matter what you might express, expect someone to take issue and don't be surprised if there is some vitriol included. Just please leave the rest of us out of your response.

Fair enough.

 

[JE]

I hope you can realize the difference between incidental contact of heads colliding, and Rondo hitting Miller in the face intentionally. Please don't tell me that that was a spontaneous arm action by Rondo.

He drew blood, so it must have been a flagrant foul. Stay consistent please.

 

[JE]

This is something that was overlooked. Brad Miller got his stitches ON THE SIDELINE before taking those two free throws.

You know this was a flagrant. Everyone knows it was a flagrant.

Bulls got screwed for a few reasons.

1. If Rondo has to commit a non-flagrant foul, the ball wouldn't have went flying out of Miller's hands with a lack of control, so it would have hit the rim. Even if he missed, it would have been goaltending, because Perkins hit the rim. Either and one with a Rondo foul, or just the bucket if Rondo didn't foul at all.

2. If it's a flagrant, Bulls don't have to have a guy who just got stitches and has some compound in his mouth to stop the bleeding take free throws. Instead they get Gordon at the line and the ball back for the final posession.

So it should have been flagrant just because Miller lost control of the ball. Fantastic.

Brad Miller didn't start his 'OMG look how hurt I am' act until after he missed the first free throw. That proves that this wasn't enough of a setback to hinder his free throws. Ben Gordon's FT% is only 1 better than Miller's anyway, so that is also a bullshit theory.

 

[44Thrilla]

They should install a rule that says players have to play defense with their hands holding behind their backs. That way Brad Miller will never get hit.

 

[RR7]

They should install a rule that says players have to play defense with their hands holding behind their backs. That way Brad Miller will never get hit.

We'd also get to avoid Pierce leaving a game in a wheel chair, and seeing players getting elbowed in the balls, so that might be good.

 

[44Thrilla]

We'd also get to avoid Pierce leaving a game on a stretcher, and seeing players getting elbowed in the balls, so that might be good.

I'm not sure if you're trying to be funny or if you have no idea what you're talking about because neither of those things would have been prevented by such a rule.

 

[Денг Гордон]

So it should have been flagrant just because Miller lost control of the ball. Fantastic.

Brad Miller didn't start his 'OMG look how hurt I am' act until after he missed the first free throw. That proves that this wasn't enough of a setback to hinder his free throws. Ben Gordon's FT% is only 1 better than Miller's anyway, so that is also a bullshit theory.

It's a flagrant foul because Rondo hit Miller in the face while making no attempt at the ball. No reason, other than that.

The only reason the ball flew out of his hands was because it was a flagrant foul. Rondo wasn't in a position to make a legitimate, non-flagrant foul, that would have stopped the ball from hitting the rim, thus being a goaltend at the very least because Perkins touched the rim.

So you would be fine with Brad Miller hitting Rondo in the face every time he drives to the basket?

 

[44Thrilla]

So you would be fine with Brad Miller hitting Rondo in the face every time he drives to the basket?

I would. Rondo would get right up and nail the free throws instead of crying like a bitch and pouting about the officials not handing the game to his team.

 

[JE]

It's a flagrant foul because Rondo hit Miller in the face while making no attempt at the ball. No reason, other than that.

While making no attempt to cut Miller's lip either. He was trying to foul him. Should we dish out flagrant's for end-of-the-game intentional fouls?

The only reason the ball flew out of his hands was because it was a flagrant foul. Rondo wasn't in a position to make a legitimate, non-flagrant foul, that would have stopped the ball from hitting the rim, thus being a goaltend at the very least because Perkins touched the rim.

What in fuck's name are you even talking about?

So you would be fine with Brad Miller hitting Rondo in the face every time he drives to the basket?

Who cares? Miller's made a career out of that anyway.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I recognize I'm late to the game on this one, but my $0.02 (should anyone care):

1. Rondo said he fouled intentionally, though I'll give him the BoD that he probably didn't want to bust up Miller's face.

Originally Posted by blue32:
I think raking someone's face, whether intentional or not ,is a flagrant foul, because its "unneccessary and/or excessive contact" But whatev's who cares.

Originally Posted by JE: A normal foul can qualify as unnecessary or excessive contact.

But this wasn't a normal foul. It was an intentional foul. And the result of which led to a busted-up face, which personally I think means the foul was excessive. The rulebook talks about a flagrant I "usually" being called because of windup, not that that's the rule. And intentional foul that impacts the head and draws blood should be at the very least considered a flagrant one.

I don't think Rondo should have been suspended. I do think it should've been 2 FTs and the ball.

 

[44Thrilla]

People's arguments are ridiculous. Do you guys realize how often players are hit above the shoulders when they are fouled? Hitting them all with flagrants would be the dumbest thing ever and make an NBA game completely unwatchable.

 

[JE]

People's arguments are ridiculous. Do you guys realize how often players are hit above the shoulders when they are fouled? Hitting them all with flagrants would be the dumbest thing ever and make an NBA game completely unwatchable.

Isn't that Stern's goal? Make this sport unwatchable and akin to hydrochloric acid to the eyes? I mean they're already halfway there.

 

[Денг Гордон]

I would. Rondo would get right up and nail the free throws instead of crying like a bitch and pouting about the officials not handing the game to his team.

Come on. If Miller did that to Rondo everytime he drove to the hoop, Rondo would probably leave the game with a broken jaw, cheek bone, eye socket, maybe injured with whiplash or something.

You'd say you'd like to see it, but once Rondo is out for the series with a serious injury, you would be calling for Miller to be suspended for half a season.

 

[andalusian]

People's arguments are ridiculous. Do you guys realize how often players are hit above the shoulders when they are fouled? Hitting them all with flagrants would be the dumbest thing ever and make an NBA game completely unwatchable.

The only issue here is that it was pretty clear that Rondo had no real chance of hitting the ball. If there is a chance of hitting the ball and you hit someone above the shoulders - there is a place to consider the foul not flagrant - when there is no chance of getting the ball - you need to push him down or crash into his body - if you use your hand (which was closed at the time of contact - so anyone claiming he was going for the ball is full of it) - and you hit the head - it's a flagrant. Simple as that. Should not have been a flagrant-2, did not deserve a suspension - but it was a clear flagrant.

 

[cdub503]

how that wasnt a flagrant on rondo is beyond me

 

[oldguy]

Really I am a homer to the Nth degree? I don't give a shit about Boston, and in fact hate the team. I just recognize there is a difference between intentionally fouling somebody, and going for the ball but being way to small to get there and end up clobbering somebody. The fact is Rondo went for a block, and was much too small to get to where he wanted. So he ended up getting body. I would have still called it a flagrant because of too much physical contact.

I don't care either way with Boston. I like several of their players, including Rondo. I just dislike KG.

We'll just have to disagree if you think that was even remotely a play on the ball. It is far from fact that Rondo went for a block. Rondo stopped the basket by hitting Miller in the face. Rondo knew he couldn't reach the ball well before he left his feet. He was 2 feet behind Miller, and his momentum is not moving toward the ball.

Rondo hit Miller in the face with his hand. Rondo's hand did not extend beyond Miller's head toward the ball. The ball was in Millers hand, on the other side of Miller's body from Rondo, with Miller's arm extended away from Rondo. That ball has to be 3 feet from Miller's head (and Rondo's nearest hand). There is no way in hell that Rondo was making a play on the ball.

So....homer is the wrong word to describe you. When I made that post, I would never have imagined that anyone but a Celtics fan could believe that shit was a play on the ball.