OT: Eddie Jordan fired

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Thorn has as much a relationship with Frank as Jordan and Frank is doing a great job and has a plan in place that I don't see them wanting to fuck with.

Frank with Carter, Harris and a bunch of young guys is doing way better than Jordan did with Jamison, Butler and a bunch of young players.

I like Jordan but I think Frank is a little better due to his instance on the team playing defense.

That is questionable.

He still makes the same mistakes whether it is with a young group or a veteran group. We could easily been 5-7(VC Missed 3 pt shot), 8-4 or 4-8. We are what we are everytime is year, .500 or less. Clearly, there is a common denominator.
 
wtf... his team was OVER ACHIEVING thanks to him. Jesus christ this business is messed up. I hope wizards get the worst record in the league and end up getting screwed in the draft... The only reason they did so well was thanks to Eddie Jordan's offense and his teaching. Messed up business.
 
That is questionable.

He still makes the same mistakes whether it is with a young group or a veteran group. We could easily been 5-7(VC Missed 3 pt shot), 8-4 or 4-8. We are what we are everytime is year, .500 or less. Clearly, there is a common denominator.

That is the stupidest thing i've read in a long time, no offense. The team is filled with young kids who will make mistakes. They have only three players who were in training camp last season. Experts all predicted a season of 20-something wins. They've beaten several top teams. A couple of their losses have been to top teams that they'd have no business beating. This despite several key injuries.

For the first time, the roster is filled with players the Coach wants, and who can produce and contribute the way he wants. He is developing some of the kids. The vets are not complaining about playing time.

He prepares the team well, and is building an identity. They play hard, play together, and don't play selfishly. They are expected to be a doormat and they are a borderline playoff team. What more do you want?
 
He prepares the team well, and is building an identity. They play hard, play together, and don't play selfishly. They are expected to be a doormat and they are a borderline playoff team. What more do you want?

Yeah I honestly can't picture the team playing that much better than they are right now, given the players on the team.
 
the thunder absolutely stink right now, but they could be set up nicely for a coach to come in and endure a few losing seasons before turning it around. desmond mason and joe smith will be dealt for more draft picks by the deadline, the are loaded with draft picks.

jordan would be a good fit there.

It's not a matter of the coach enduring, it's a matter of the owner enduring. Owners, for some reason, think their team should always be competitive, and if they're not, than it's the coaches fault. In reality, the coach can only control so much and doesn't really control the assembly of the roster, which is usually why a team is bad. Good coaching can only take a bad team so far.
 
As for this...this didn't come as a shock. The Wizards have been awful, but it's not their fault that their franchise player is out until January and that their starting center is out for the year. Things happen that are out of a coaches control, and that's really the case with the Wizards. The coach just happens to be a scapegoat more often than not.
 
I just saw this and this is probably the dumbest move a GM. As pissed as I am, many team are going to come calling, teams like Minnesota, Oklahoma, Memphis, Atlanta and even Denver should give Eddie jordan a chance.
 
Wasnt Eddie Jordan the Nets assistant coach during the years we went to the finals?
 
Wasnt Eddie Jordan the Nets assistant coach during the years we went to the finals?

The Nets had a GREAT coaching staff!

Eddie Jordan - Offense
Mike O'Koren - Defense
Byron Scott - Standing with arms folded smirking like a jackass
 
That is questionable.

He still makes the same mistakes whether it is with a young group or a veteran group. We could easily been 5-7(VC Missed 3 pt shot), 8-4 or 4-8. We are what we are everytime is year, .500 or less. Clearly, there is a common denominator.

Lawrence Frank. For. The. Win.

Seriously, if you're going to try and misunderstand stats, at least look them up first.
 
The Nets had a GREAT coaching staff!

Eddie Jordan - Offense
Mike O'Koren - Defense
Byron Scott - Standing with arms folded smirking like a jackass

You forgot Lawrence. I thought he was more the defense than O'Koren
 
If Jordan doesn't take a job during the season you know the pressure is going to be on Mo Cheeks. I would think Stefanski would want to bring him to Philly.
 
That is the stupidest thing i've read in a long time, no offense. The team is filled with young kids who will make mistakes. They have only three players who were in training camp last season. Experts all predicted a season of 20-something wins. They've beaten several top teams. A couple of their losses have been to top teams that they'd have no business beating. This despite several key injuries.

For the first time, the roster is filled with players the Coach wants, and who can produce and contribute the way he wants. He is developing some of the kids. The vets are not complaining about playing time.

He prepares the team well, and is building an identity. They play hard, play together, and don't play selfishly. They are expected to be a doormat and they are a borderline playoff team. What more do you want?

Have you looked at the record for the past four years at this time of the year right before the west coast trip?

Go take a look before you start calling people stupid.
 
Have you looked at the record for the past four years at this time of the year right before the west coast trip?

Go take a look before you start calling people stupid.

Didn't call you stupid. He called the comment stupid. Still is.

Can't compare this team to anything that happened before. And if you can't look at this team and see a difference in the make up of the roster and what they have accomplished you are just looking for any excuse to bash Frank.

Just say you don't like Frank and get it over with. No need to denegrate what this team is accomplishing despite it's youth and inexperience together.
 
Have you looked at the record for the past four years at this time of the year right before the west coast trip?

Go take a look before you start calling people stupid.

I'm sorry; I went overboard in calling it a stupid comment (note that I did NOT call you stupid, however). I apologize. But my opinion holds: You are putting way too much blame on the coach for the failures of the roster--and the players themselves (cough-cough Jason Kidd). Did Doc Rivers suddenly go from an idiot to a genius? The Coach can only do so much; the players have to execute. My opinion is that, over the past few years, the Nets have signed veterans on the downside of their career for pennies on the dollar to fill out their roster, and they were incapable of producing what Coach Frank wanted from them. It was as if there was a disconnect between the players Frank wanted and the players Rod Thorn gave him. Part of that was due to the salary structure on the team, of course. How can you blame Frank for having a hard time making a team out of a pile of crap?

I feel that, for the first time, they have a team that is filled with players that Frank wants. This will be a big test. he does have the advantage that no one is expecting much this year, but his vision has thus far panned out: They are 6-6, which is better than anyone would have expected.

Of their losses, no one is to blame for the Phoenix and Cleveland games. Those were doomed to be losses.

Golden State . . . they could have won, but i don't blame Frank for that. The players were clearly still trying to figure out how to play together; it wasn't until game four vs Detroit that they (read: Devin) started to "get it." They weren't sure how to interact together, the rookies were still kind of skittish, Najera was hurt, and Simmons was horrible. The first few games should be looked at as just more competitive training camp, as far as I am concerned.

The other three losses . . . well, look. Devin was hurt, which had a reverberating effect throughout the roster (it meant that Hassell had to play; notice he has been buried since Devin's return, and Dooling could come off the bench again). If Devin was healthy, obviously they were all winnable. Without Devin, how many coaches in the league could have made a difference? They fell apart in the fourth quarter against Miami, but had played well until that point, and just had no energy in one of the two Indiana games (the one that Granger didn't play). The other Indiana game, they were just outplayed, but played hard, despite Devin's absence (and the absence of some other players, if I remember correctly).

So the way I see it, your complaints about Frank have to focus on five quarters: The fourth against Miami, and the entire game against Indiana. Maybe they could have won one or both of those, even without Devin. But give Miami credit: They have a .500 record themselves, and have beaten San Antonio and Philadelphia. They're not Oklahoma City. Maybe the Miami game was winnable, though. Indiana . . . sometimes if a team has no energy, there's nothing a coach can do to change that. it just is what it is.

I really think that is nitpicking over the course of 12 games. Remember, over the past 20 quarters, the nets have been outscored in just five of them. That's pretty consistent. You have to give the players a chance to "get it." They're clearly buying into what Frank is selling; they're playing hard. What more do you want?
 
Smart move for Jordan would be to sit out the remainder of this year and next, collect his salary and then find another job in 10-11. Big mistake. Watched the houston game in which they led through 4. They were executing the offense brilliantly. I love the Princeton. They had that extra step youth always brings, kids like Nick Young, McGee, Brown were all playing over their heads. By the 4th quarter, due to the lack of depth, the tema lost the game. Bad firing on the Wizards part. To be surprised if they start getting younger.
 
I'm sorry; I went overboard in calling it a stupid comment (note that I did NOT call you stupid, however). I apologize. But my opinion holds: You are putting way too much blame on the coach for the failures of the roster--and the players themselves (cough-cough Jason Kidd). Did Doc Rivers suddenly go from an idiot to a genius? The Coach can only do so much; the players have to execute. My opinion is that, over the past few years, the Nets have signed veterans on the downside of their career for pennies on the dollar to fill out their roster, and they were incapable of producing what Coach Frank wanted from them. It was as if there was a disconnect between the players Frank wanted and the players Rod Thorn gave him. Part of that was due to the salary structure on the team, of course. How can you blame Frank for having a hard time making a team out of a pile of crap?

I feel that, for the first time, they have a team that is filled with players that Frank wants. This will be a big test. he does have the advantage that no one is expecting much this year, but his vision has thus far panned out: They are 6-6, which is better than anyone would have expected.

Of their losses, no one is to blame for the Phoenix and Cleveland games. Those were doomed to be losses.

Golden State . . . they could have won, but i don't blame Frank for that. The players were clearly still trying to figure out how to play together; it wasn't until game four vs Detroit that they (read: Devin) started to "get it." They weren't sure how to interact together, the rookies were still kind of skittish, Najera was hurt, and Simmons was horrible. The first few games should be looked at as just more competitive training camp, as far as I am concerned.

The other three losses . . . well, look. Devin was hurt, which had a reverberating effect throughout the roster (it meant that Hassell had to play; notice he has been buried since Devin's return, and Dooling could come off the bench again). If Devin was healthy, obviously they were all winnable. Without Devin, how many coaches in the league could have made a difference? They fell apart in the fourth quarter against Miami, but had played well until that point, and just had no energy in one of the two Indiana games (the one that Granger didn't play). The other Indiana game, they were just outplayed, but played hard, despite Devin's absence (and the absence of some other players, if I remember correctly).

So the way I see it, your complaints about Frank have to focus on five quarters: The fourth against Miami, and the entire game against Indiana. Maybe they could have won one or both of those, even without Devin. But give Miami credit: They have a .500 record themselves, and have beaten San Antonio and Philadelphia. They're not Oklahoma City. Maybe the Miami game was winnable, though. Indiana . . . sometimes if a team has no energy, there's nothing a coach can do to change that. it just is what it is.

I really think that is nitpicking over the course of 12 games. Remember, over the past 20 quarters, the nets have been outscored in just five of them. That's pretty consistent. You have to give the players a chance to "get it." They're clearly buying into what Frank is selling; they're playing hard. What more do you want?


WOW Great post. (although i stopped reading after first line lol)
 

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