OT - For chatting sake. Blake Griffin

[RickyRubio]

Can Blake Griffin turn the Clippers around? He seems to be a dominating player and I do not see how anything besides MF surgery in his knee (honest, that wasn't a poke at Oden, honest) he should be able to help them out immediately. They have a pretty talented roster and a good coach. As long as they all stay healthy.

Davis\whoever
E. Gordon\Freddy Jones
Thornton\Roach
Griffin\Z-Ro
Camby\Kaman

If they can manage to get rid of Zach and get a decent backup point AND stay healthy... they should be pretty good, right?!

I just posted this for discussion sake. I am curious what ya'll think.

 

[Mediocre Man]

On paper you would think so. Is he long enough to be effective at the 4 though? I know he only measured at 6' 8.5".

There are some long PF's in the west especially.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

they need primarily health...and probably more depth in the back-court. ZBO won't be a good trade asset until the next year when he's a 17 million dollar expiring. B-diddy is too injury prone...

 

[STOMP]

Can Blake Griffin turn the Clippers around? He seems to be a dominating player and I do not see how anything besides MF surgery in his knee (honest, that wasn't a poke at Oden, honest) he should be able to help them out immediately. They have a pretty talented roster and a good coach. As long as they all stay healthy.

Davis\whoever
E. Gordon\Freddy Jones
Thornton\Roach
Griffin\Z-Ro
Camby\Kaman

If they can manage to get rid of Zach and get a decent backup point AND stay healthy... they should be pretty good, right?!

I just posted this for discussion sake. I am curious what ya'll think.

Griffin wasn't much of a defensive player in college and I doubt that will change in the pros where most every starting 4 is taller and longer then him. That the rest of the Clips lineup is defensively lacking doesn't bode well for him turning their ship around. As far as I've seen, dude lacks a reliable jumper so his production will have to come inside. He's got bulk, good hands, and explosiveness, so he should be able to battle inside and board well on both ends... but probably he projects mostly as a deluxe garbageman on offense.

I do agree that if they fare better with injuries they should be decent... like on the cusp of the playoff race

STOMP

 

[RickyRubio]

Really? Only 6'8.5'' - jeez!!! I hate how all these players are listed as so much taller then they are. Like Thabeet is def not 7'3'' !!!

 

[Mediocre Man]

Really? Only 6'8.5'' - jeez!!! I hate how all these players are listed as so much taller then they are. Like Thabeet is def not 7'3'' !!!

7"1.25" w/o shoes

Griffins height was w/o shoes either.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Really? Only 6'8.5'' - jeez!!! I hate how all these players are listed as so much taller then they are. Like Thabeet is def not 7'3'' !!!

And Blair is 6'5.25"

 

[Masbee]

Can Blake Griffin turn the Clippers around? He seems to be a dominating player and I do not see how anything besides MF surgery in his knee (honest, that wasn't a poke at Oden, honest) he should be able to help them out immediately. They have a pretty talented roster and a good coach. As long as they all stay healthy.

Davis\whoever
E. Gordon\Freddy Jones
Thornton\Roach
Griffin\Z-Ro
Camby\Kaman

If they can manage to get rid of Zach and get a decent backup point AND stay healthy... they should be pretty good, right?!

I just posted this for discussion sake. I am curious what ya'll think.

That team has no defense.

IF, they are all healthy and clicking, they will be able to score in bunches, but can't and won't stop anybody - I mean anybody.

Entertaining, but losing basketball is the best that team can hope for.

 

[BlazersBlood]

I just don't see how Griffin is going to make such a big impact in the NBA. He could be the ultimate garbage + energy guy, but with his limited height and shooting touch, I just don't see how he's going to change the face of a franchise, especially the Clippers.

 

[Minstrel]

I don't think Griffin is a franchise saviour type of #1 pick. He's a good prospect, but I think he'll be a fringe All-Star in his prime, nothing like a superstar. I think he could be similar to Paul Millsap (Griffin is a far better-regarded prospect than Millsap was, but Millsap has far exceeded expectations).

Millsap is a very nice player to have, but not a player who's going to transform a franchise.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

clips should trade the pick. they're running their workouts at the gym I'm doing a trial at......but yeah..they need some athletic wings and depth like nothing else.

 

[Natebishop3]

clips should trade the pick. they're running their workouts at the gym I'm doing a trial at......but yeah..they need some athletic wings and depth like nothing else.

We'll give them Rudy, Outlaw, and the 24th pick

 

[LittleAlex]

Can Blake Griffin turn the Clippers around? He seems to be a dominating player and I do not see how anything besides MF surgery in his knee (honest, that wasn't a poke at Oden, honest) he should be able to help them out immediately. They have a pretty talented roster and a good coach. As long as they all stay healthy.

Davis\whoever
E. Gordon\Freddy Jones
Thornton\Roach
Griffin\Z-Ro
Camby\Kaman

If they can manage to get rid of Zach and get a decent backup point AND stay healthy... they should be pretty good, right?!

I just posted this for discussion sake. I am curious what ya'll think.

They are better then they were last year, but not really good. They won't be able to guard a chair. They still have Dunleavy who is able to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory whenever possible. Davis will quit on them again if things start to go south.

Oh, and do you really think Stat-Bo is going to be cool coming off the bench behind a rookie? Not a fucking chance. Talk about a split locker room.

Frankly, I don't believe any team that has Shit-Bo on it will be any good. Now, if they ditch Z-No, then maybe they have a chance. What can you really say about a guy where every team he has ever left got better after he was gone?

You can say he fucking sucks ass. Z-Bo, sucking the life out of teams since 2001.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

They are better then they were last year, but not really good. They won't be able to guard a chair. They still have Dunleavy who is able to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory whenever possible. Davis will quit on them again if things start to go south.

Oh, and do you really think Stat-Bo is going to be cool coming off the bench behind a rookie? Not a fucking chance. Talk about a split locker room.

Frankly, I don't believe any team that has Shit-Bo on it will be any good. Now, if they ditch Z-No, then maybe they have a chance. What can you really say about a guy where every team he has ever left got better after he was gone?

You can say he fucking sucks ass. Z-Bo, sucking the life out of teams since 2001.

the clippers were much better this year with ZBO than without. Same with the knicks.

 

[Ed O]

I don't think Griffin is a franchise saviour type of #1 pick. He's a good prospect, but I think he'll be a fringe All-Star in his prime, nothing like a superstar. I think he could be similar to Paul Millsap (Griffin is a far better-regarded prospect than Millsap was, but Millsap has far exceeded expectations).

Millsap is a very nice player to have, but not a player who's going to transform a franchise.

Yes. I think that Griffin is a Michael Beasly-level prospect, personally. I don't see any of those three guys (Griffin, Beasley, Millsap) as players that are going to turn things around single-handedly.

Ed O.

 

[Ed O]

the clippers were much better this year with ZBO than without. Same with the knicks.

Bah. Details.

Don't you know we hatez Zack?

Ed O.

 

[LittleAlex]

the clippers were much better this year with ZBO than without. Same with the knicks.

No.

Knicks with Shit-bo 2007-2008 23 Wins
Knicks without Z-Ro 2008-2009 32 Wins (+9 after he leaves).

Clippers Without Stat-Bo 2007-2008 23 Wins
Clippers with Z-No 2008-2009 19 Wins (-4 with Crap-Bo)

Not sure where the teams got better with him.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

No.

Knicks with Shit-bo 2007-2008 23 Wins
Knicks without Z-Ro 2008-2009 32 Wins (+9 after he leaves).

Clippers Without Stat-Bo 2007-2008 23 Wins
Clippers with Z-No 2008-2009 19 Wins (-4 with Crap-Bo)

Not sure where the teams got better with him.

talking about records within the same year. the clippers went on a huge losing streak when he was out. remember, he left mid-season. different coaches, different players on both of those teams from 2007 to 2008 seasons.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

No.

Knicks with Shit-bo 2007-2008 23 Wins
Knicks without Z-Ro 2008-2009 32 Wins (+9 after he leaves).

Clippers Without Stat-Bo 2007-2008 23 Wins
Clippers with Z-No 2008-2009 19 Wins (-4 with Crap-Bo)

Not sure where the teams got better with him.

Shit-Bo, Z-Ro, Stat-Bo and Z-No!?!?

WHO ARE ALL THESE PEOPL!?

 

[LittleAlex]

talking about records within the same year. the clippers went on a huge losing streak when he was out. remember, he left mid-season. different coaches, different players on both of those teams from 2007 to 2008 seasons.

I was talking strictly about record. If you look at the stats on 82games both teams were better without him.

For the Slippers, a large number of guys were injured at the same time so I don't know if the whole impact was him.

Frankly, it is amazing that anyone would come to this idiots defense. I watched this jackass live around 60 times and he is much worse live then on paper.

Watching him fat his way up and down the court was horrific.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

I was talking strictly about record. If you look at the stats on 82games both teams were better without him.

For the Slippers, a large number of guys were injured at the same time so I don't know if the whole impact was him.

Frankly, it is amazing that anyone would come to this idiots defense. I watched this jackass live around 60 times and he is much worse live then on paper.

Watching him fat his way up and down the court was horrific.

records from different seasons with different players and coaches? not a real accurate measurement.

ZBO is usually fine....HE beat the Blazers last season.

 

[Ed O]

I was talking strictly about record. If you look at the stats on 82games both teams were better without him.

For the Slippers, a large number of guys were injured at the same time so I don't know if the whole impact was him.

Frankly, it is amazing that anyone would come to this idiots defense. I watched this jackass live around 60 times and he is much worse live then on paper.

Watching him fat his way up and down the court was horrific.

Your logic is pretty bad here, as BTOWN_HUSTLA pointed out... you might not enjoy watching him, but you seem to have a strong personal bias against Randolph which is fine and good except insofar as it stops you from thinking straight.

Ed O.

 

[alex42083]

Yeah, I agree with the posters that said that the Clips will still play no defense and will win their 15-20 games. Griffin is not going to make that big of a difference and will probably not get the ball with Baron and Z-Bo on that team. They certainly have good offensive talent, but their defense is horrid.

 

[LittleAlex]

Your logic is pretty bad here, as BTOWN_HUSTLA pointed out... you might not enjoy watching him, but you seem to have a strong personal bias against Randolph which is fine and good except insofar as it stops you from thinking straight.

Ed O.

My logic pretty bad here? Above I showed that the two teams in question had better records without him then with him. I kind of assumed once that was ignored, logic and facts went right out the window.

After that, I just had to point out how horrible he was as a player when viewed live for a whole game. TV does not do it justice.

To say that in the Clippers case it was because he was hurt ignores the fact that the Clippers were crippled by injuries all over the place last year. Z-Bo being one of those hurt doesn't mean much there. I suppose you could argue that the Clippers might have done better if he had played every game. No way to support or refute that.

Z-Bo is that rare player that puts up decent numbers while making everyone around him worse. He does so by being a complete black hole while playing not even the slightest amount of defense. When he played a full season for the Knicks, Steve Nash had more blocks then Z-Bo did. How is that possible for a power forward?

It's possible because he could fucking care less about winning.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

what has EVER been the talent around ZBO? uhhh yeah.

 

[Ed O]

My logic pretty bad here? Above I showed that the two teams in question had better records without him then with him. I kind of assumed once that was ignored, logic and facts went right out the window.

Why don't you compare the teams he was on to random teams from the 1970s to prove that your juvenile namecalling indicates that you actually have a valid point?

After that, I just had to point out how horrible he was as a player when viewed live for a whole game. TV does not do it justice.

I don't see how this makes any sense. Most of my broadcasts actually allow me to see all the players on the floor... maybe I'm paying extra for the full 10 man broadcasts?

Or are you talking about how he warms up before the game and at halftime? Or are you talking about his posture when he's sitting on the bench?

To say that in the Clippers case it was because he was hurt ignores the fact that the Clippers were crippled by injuries all over the place last year. Z-Bo being one of those hurt doesn't mean much there. I suppose you could argue that the Clippers might have done better if he had played every game. No way to support or refute that.

Or you can look at how the teams did with him last year and then how they did without him.

How would that be?

Or should we go back to watching him live and comparing him to the Willis Reed and Bill Walton Knicks and Clippers, respectively?

Z-Bo is that rare player that puts up decent numbers while making everyone around him worse. He does so by being a complete black hole while playing not even the slightest amount of defense. When he played a full season for the Knicks, Steve Nash had more blocks then Z-Bo did. How is that possible for a power forward?

It's possible because he could fucking care less about winning.

Dude. You're grasping at straws. Typing typing typing because you've got your mind made up and you don't care if you give any actual evidence or not.

He doesn't block shots because he doesn't care about winning? What does he care about?

And, while you're at it letting me know what he cares about: what's his favorite color?

You don't like him. That's cool. It doesn't mean that your opinions about him are either convincing or consistent with reality.

Ed O.