OT: "Grizzlies Fire All Scouts"

[Ed O]

Yes, it's so simple and black/white, isn't it. You are either angry or a fool (or both) if you don't like how the Roy contract negotations are going. Solid opinion. Very nuanced.

Actually, yuyuza1 admitted that he cannot separate emotion from his opinion about the situation. While he's certainly entitled to his opinion, someone whose judgment is clouded by emotion is almost always less sound than someone whose vision is clear and objective.

Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

Actually, yuyuza1 admitted that he cannot separate emotion from his opinion about the situation. While he's certainly entitled to his opinion, someone whose judgment is clouded by emotion is almost always less sound than someone whose vision is clear and objective.

Ed O.

In matters of opinion, where we don't know what is really happening because we're not involved, so all we have is speculation, I offer that it doesn't matter either way. Emotional opinion, objective opinion, whatever. It's all based on guessing, so marginalizing someone for having a different opinion, no matter what it's based upon, is fruitless. It is divisive, and it tends to dumb down the conversation.

Also, yuyuza saying he has emotions about it certainly doesn't make him angry or irrational. It means his opinion is formed in some part by emotion. That doesn't make it any less correct than an opinion based on so-called "objectivity", which is still founded on speculation.

 

[illmatic99]

Actually, yuyuza1 admitted that he cannot separate emotion from his opinion about the situation. While he's certainly entitled to his opinion, someone whose judgment is clouded by emotion is almost always less sound than someone whose vision is clear and objective.

Ed O.

As a fan of the team that is in danger of letting its two cornerstones go into restricted free agency, all the while pissing them off, my stance is perfectly valid.

NBA players have egos. Giant ones that need to be stroked incessantly. I don't think you can simply treat it like a general business cut and dry.

 

[Tince]

As a fan of the team that is in danger of letting its two cornerstones go into restricted free agency, all the while pissing them off, my stance is perfectly valid.

NBA players have egos. Giant ones that need to be stroked incessantly. I don't think you can simply treat it like a general business cut and dry.

Are you saying that Portland should never let these two become restricted FA's? If so, what is your reasoning.

Since they would be restricted, we are still at no risk of losing them next summer.

 

[PapaG]

Are you saying that Portland should never let these two become restricted FA's? If so, what is your reasoning.

Since they would be restricted, we are still at no risk of losing them next summer.

He already answered the question in the post you quoted. Did you read the sentence below what you bolded?

 

[illmatic99]

Since they would be restricted, we are still at no risk of losing them next summer.

What IF both of them are so pissed off to the extent that both take one year Qualifying Offers only to become unrestricted the next year?

 

[PapaG]

What IF both of them are so pissed off to the extent that both take one year Qualifying Offers only to become unrestricted the next year?

That won't happen though. Posters here say it's unlikely because of the lock-out that is being assumed. Your opinion is wrong.

 

[Minstrel]

That won't happen though. Posters here say it's unlikely because of the lock-out that is being assumed. Your opinion is wrong.

You seem to adopt the philosophy that we all have free speech to give our opinions, but no one has the freedom of speech to criticize an opinion. That seems odd. Why shouldn't posters criticize yuyuza's or your opinion, if they disagree with it?

 

[PapaG]

You seem to adopt the philosophy that we all have free speech to give our opinions, but no one has the freedom of speech to criticize an opinion. That seems odd. Why shouldn't posters criticize yuyuza's or your opinion, if they disagree with it?

Why shouldn't other posters criticize the criticisms, especially when they are clearly patronizing the original poster?

 

[Ed O]

As a fan of the team that is in danger of letting its two cornerstones go into restricted free agency, all the while pissing them off, my stance is perfectly valid.

NBA players have egos. Giant ones that need to be stroked incessantly. I don't think you can simply treat it like a general business cut and dry.

Opinions can be perfectly valid and much more likely incorrect than other perfectly valid opinions.

I am being objective. I am ignoring MY emotions and looking at both side of the coin. You are pissed and emotional and cannot be objective.

I believe, therefore, that between our two valid opinions, that mine is much more likely to be correct.

Ed O.

 

[Ed O]

Why shouldn't other posters criticize the criticisms, especially when they are clearly patronizing the original poster?

It appears to me that you are placing victim status on those whose opinions are being disagreed with. That's markedly different than countering an argument with another substantive point.

Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

It appears to me that you are placing victim status on those whose opinions are being disagreed with. That's markedly different than countering an argument with another substantive point.

Ed O.

I don't see how calling people irrational or lacking business sense for having an opinion is a substantive point, but of course you would direct your post at me.

 

[PapaG]

It appears to me that you are placing victim status on those whose opinions are being disagreed with. That's markedly different than countering an argument with another substantive point.

Ed O.

By the way, where does criticizing the person criticizing the person criticizing the original poster line up in the "substantive" parade?

 

[Tince]

What IF both of them are so pissed off to the extent that both take one year Qualifying Offers only to become unrestricted the next year?

I'm not saying the scenario you listed above is impossible, but I don't find it likely. I don't think a max type player has ever done such a thing. Ben Gordon is the best player to have pull such a stance, but he wasn't even a starter.

It just seems so unlikely to me.

 

[Tince]

He already answered the question in the post you quoted. Did you read the sentence below what you bolded?

I think he's a big boy and can answer the question on his own. Thanks for trying to help. I'd like to continue the discussion with Yuyuza because he's expressing his opinions more than trying to take apart snipits of my posts, dramatizing them, or making them parts of his sig.

 

[PapaG]

I think he's a big boy and can answer the question on his own. Thanks for trying to help.

No problem. Any time!

 

[Ed O]

By the way, where does criticizing the person criticizing the person criticizing the original poster line up in the "substantive" parade?

We're having a discussion about discussions. I am telling you why your act of complaining about the big bad people who pick on you is different than disagreeing about substantive topics.

Ed O.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

I don't understand why any one is taking this hoopsworld report seriously. This is the same website that about three weeks ago had their senior editor lie about what one of their writers was doing and then got told by that writer in the comments section not to throw his reputation away just to make news.

 

[Tince]

I don't understand why any one is taking this hoopsworld report seriously. This is the same website that about three weeks ago had their senior editor lie about what one of their writers was doing and then got told by that writer in the comments section not to throw his reputation away just to make news.

Very good point, and very much on topic.

 

[PapaG]

We're having a discussion about discussions. I am telling you why your act of complaining about the big bad people who pick on you is different than disagreeing about substantive topics.

Ed O.

See, there's that condescension again. yuyuza really nailed it.

I wasn't complaining about people picking on me. I was commenting on another poster's spot-on post on this board about behavior. You seem to be the best example of that behavior, for what it's worth.

Is this you being "objective", Ed? Seems a bit emotional to me.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

Very good point, and very much on topic.

Since the negotiation story got dragged into this thread I thought I'd just post that here instead of going back to the other thread.

 

[PapaG]

I don't understand why any one is taking this hoopsworld report seriously. This is the same website that about three weeks ago had their senior editor lie about what one of their writers was doing and then got told by that writer in the comments section not to throw his reputation away just to make news.

Noted, but I'm going to guess that Tellen's agency is leaking this stuff to somebody, so I won't completely disregard it.

 

[Tince]

Since the negotiation story got dragged into this thread I thought I'd just post that here instead of going back to the other thread.

I agree, I wasn't being sarcastic.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

Noted, but I'm going to guess that Tellen's agency is leaking this stuff to somebody, so I won't completely disregard it.

Why would Arn Tellum, the most power house agent in basketball, leak news to HOOPSWORLD? Arn Tellum pretty much gets what he wants, and he doesn't get it by leaking contract details to websites that are mockingly called Poopsworld by a good portion of the BIC that know about it. If this news was going to be leaked it would be leaked to the news sources that would be somewhat trusted and also rile up the main fan base that would help LMA and Roy which would be ours. So it would be leaked to The Oregonian, ESPN, or SI - not hoopsworld.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

I agree, I wasn't being sarcastic.

Oooh okay, I couldn't tell about the on topic comment so I just wanted to clear up why I had posted it in this thread instead of the other one.

 

[PapaG]

Why would Arn Tellum, the most power house agent in basketball, leak news to HOOPSWORLD? Arn Tellum pretty much gets what he wants, and he doesn't get it by leaking contract details to websites that are mockingly called Poopsworld by a good portion of the BIC that know about it. If this news was going to be leaked it would be leaked to the news sources that would be somewhat trusted and also rile up the main fan base that would help LMA and Roy which would be ours. So it would be leaked to The Oregonian, ESPN, or SI - not hoopsworld.

I didn't say Tellum, I said his agency, and I said "somewhere". Why leak it there? I haven't an idea, but that doesn't mean it is completely fabricated.

 

[Tince]

Oooh okay, I couldn't tell about the on topic comment so I just wanted to clear up why I had posted it in this thread instead of the other one.

It's cool. At this point I'm just trying to drown out the noise and I really appreciate your perspective.

You might want to save yourself some time and not get involved in a no win situation.

 

[PapaG]

It's cool. At this point I'm just trying to drown out the noise and I really appreciate your perspective.

You might want to save yourself some time and not get involved in a no win situation.

To be fair, you pretty much instigated the noise, but I'll drop it at this point. That's the way the board is operating, so I'll just go with the flow.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

I didn't say Tellum, I said his agency, and I said "somewhere". Why leak it there? I haven't an idea, but that doesn't mean it is completely fabricated.

Okay but the point still stands. Tellum along with his agency, Wasserman Media Group, are the most powerful in basketball. They would gain nothing by leaking this to Hoopsworld, a website that again had a senior editor lie about what one of his writers was going to publish and was admonished by said writer.

There are a lot of weird things that don't make sense at first sight but eventually do, but I would wager this is highly unlikely to be one of them.

 

[Tince]

To be fair, you pretty much instigated the noise, but I'll drop it at this point. That's the way the board is operating, so I'll just go with the flow.

Its your story, tell it however you'd like.