OT: Holy crap! Monta Ellis took THIRTY NINE shots tonight?

[KingSpeed]

Just saw it on Inside the NBA. A point guard that takes 39 shots. Amazing.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Point guard?

 

[KingSpeed]

Point guard?

Yes. A scoring PG. But still, 39 shots is too much.

 

[J_Ray]

Yes. A scoring PG. But still, 39 shots is too much.

You must of missed the memo that he's a SG and Stephen Curry is the PG.....

Oh btw, 39 shots in a winning effort

 

[KingSpeed]

You must of missed the memo that he's a SG and Stephen Curry is the PG.....

Oh btw, 39 shots in a winning effort

They're interchangeable.

 

[BlayZa]

like wins and losses?

 

[J_Ray]

They're interchangeable.

Are you kidding me? Stephen Curry is by far the better of the two at PG. You can put Curry @ PG w/ any lineup, and he's a PG. Monta can play PG, but won't make anyone better around him. Monta is by far a better SG than PG, that's why he hasn't been PG when W's are healthy.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Remember that little stat I was tossing around a couple days ago - FGA/AST? In that discussion I was using the metric of 2:1 FGA/AST as a differentiator between a distributor (pass-first PG) and a scoring guard (shoot-first PG). Of course, it's not an abrupt transition that suddenly makes a player a ballhog if his FGA/AST ratio gets above 2.0 - it's a continuum. The historic great distributing PGs (Nash, Stockton, etc.) have FGA/AST ratios in the 1.2 - 1.4 range. PGs focused more on their own scoring can have FGA/AST ratios as high as 2.5 - 3.0.

So, with that in mind, let's look at the current FGA/AST ratios for some members of the 12-27 Golden State Warriors.

Monta Ellis
FGA = 879
AST = 211
FGA/AST = 4.17

Stephen Curry
FGA = 418
AST = 174
FGA/AST = 2.40

So, this season Monta Ellis can't even be consider a shoot-first PG. He's purely a SG, looking for his own shot. Steph Curry would be considered a shoot-first PG, but at least he's a PG.

Now, look at a few other Warriors:

Rony Turiaf
FGA = 27
AST = 21
FGA/AST = 1.29

Mikki Morre
FGA = 90
AST = 36
FGA/AST = 2.50

Andris Biedrins
FGA = 51
AST = 21
FGA/AST = 2.76

Granted the sample sizes are small, but the Warriors big men are better passers/distributors than their guards. I'm not sure if that is a function of Nellie's system, or just an indication that Monta Ellis is a ballhog - or maybe just their only legitimate scoring option. Anyway, I found it interesting.

BNM

 

[hasoos]

3 words: Golden State Warriors.

Enough said.

 

[Boob-No-More]

3 words: Golden State Warriors.

Enough said.

and two numbers: 12-27

The two go together like peas and carrots.

BNM

 

[THE HCP]

I love his game but damn! In his defense, who else is gonna shoot? He's trying to win, and all he has are scrubs on that squad with him. You put any of the top 20 players in the NBA in his position and the same would happen.

 

[STOMP]

and two numbers: 12-27

The two go together like peas and carrots.

they've had even a worse go of it with injuries then Portland. Their IR list is endless

regarding the stats you posted on Monta and Stephen, besides them and Maggette, they have no one healthy who you'd like to take a shot. After being called up from the D league last night, former Blazer cup of coffee recipient Anthony Tolliver jacked up 10 shots.

Monta and Stephen might not be Jason Kidd, but circumstances have pushed things out into the extreme for the W's.

STOMP