OT: Howard to Lakers getting closer?

[drexlersdad]

i really think houston giving up

royce white
terrence jones
jeremy lamb
and a few #1s

is the way to go for orlando

they arent winning a title with bynum instead of dwight

 

[NJNetz]

If the Lakers have to move Gasol and Bynum for him (I don't know what it'll take, I'm just saying) I don't think that any conspiracy theories are needed. The Lakers have been able to almost acquire Chris Paul and now maybe get Dwight Howard... why? Because they have good pieces to trade.

Bynum is one of the best centers in the NBA and he's young. The Lakers would be giving up value to get it back. It might be a good move for them, but it's not like they'd be getting Howard for free.

Ed O.

They wouldn't be getting Dwight for free, but they aren't losing much. Gasol is getting softer and softer each season. Good riddance if anything. And while Bynum is a good player, he isn't anywhere close to being as good as Dwight. And he still remains injury prone and has a beyond shitty attitude.

 

[Ed O]

i really think houston giving up

royce white
terrence jones
jeremy lamb
and a few #1s

is the way to go for orlando

they arent winning a title with bynum instead of dwight

Bynum is way better than any of those guys and he plays a position of scarcity. He gets paid a lot more, of course, but getting mid-firsts is significantly easier than getting a franchise quality center like Bynum.

Ed O.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Bynum is way better than any of those guys and he plays a position of scarcity. He gets paid a lot more, of course, but getting mid-firsts is significantly easier than getting a franchise quality center like Bynum.

Ed O.

Acquire stars.

{Poasted via palm pilot}

 

[Shooter]

One more thing. The thing the other teams have going for them is the draft lottery. You can get a superstar to play for you if you draft him, and get multiple high picks to go with that superstar.

Sure, but how long before your "superstar" wants to leave town and head for one of the "hotspots"? It happens all the time.

 

[Shooter]

If the Lakers have to move Gasol and Bynum for him (I don't know what it'll take, I'm just saying) I don't think that any conspiracy theories are needed. The Lakers have been able to almost acquire Chris Paul and now maybe get Dwight Howard... why? Because they have good pieces to trade.

And why do they always have good pieces to trade? Because the better players want to go there, and often find a way to make it happen.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Sure, but how long before your "superstar" wants to leave town and head for one of the "hotspots"? It happens all the time.

Even being lucky isn't a riskfree proposition, but you have a long time to sell your town.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

Unless of course you are SAS and DAL

Those teams had holdovers from the old system. In the new paradigm, players like Duncan and Nowitzki would have been lured to large market teams much earlier in their career. See: Kevin Durant in a few years after he finds he won't win a title in OKC.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Bynum is way better than any of those guys and he plays a position of scarcity. He gets paid a lot more, of course, but getting mid-firsts is significantly easier than getting a franchise quality center like Bynum.

Ed O.

Bynum has only 1 year left and he hasn't said he'd re-sign.
Also, Orlando is wanting at dumping contracts and getting picks. Only Houston offers both of these.

 

[KingSpeed]

What would LA have to give up for him?

Troy Murphy, Goudelock, and a protected second rounder probably

 

[Natebishop3]

i really think houston giving up

royce white
terrence jones
jeremy lamb
and a few #1s

is the way to go for orlando

they arent winning a title with bynum instead of dwight

I think Orlando would be robbing them blind honestly. In my mind, Lamb, Jones, and White are worth more than an un-signed Dwight Howard.

 

[drexlersdad]

if orlando wants to trade for 1 year of bynum, might as well just keep dwight and call his bluff on losing 20 million or so

 

[Pinwheel1]

Yeah if I am Orlando I jump all over a package from Houston for their 4 rookies.

 

[cdub503]

surprised no one is talking about the supposed three way trade with orlando lakers and cavs going around... bynum to cavs dwight to la verjao to orlando plus picks and what not in there as well who's getting hosed here?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

surprised no one is talking about the supposed three way trade with orlando lakers and cavs going around... bynum to cavs dwight to la verjao to orlando plus picks and what not in there as well who's getting hosed here?

I just read about that: can we get in that and get Varejao? Orlando would be rebuilding, so maybe they wouldn't be as attached to Varejao as Cavs were. But then again, they clearly prefer him to Bynum...

Leonard and Freeland for Varejao? I'd do that deal...

 

[Pinwheel1]

I just read about that: can we get in that and get Varejao? Orlando would be rebuilding, so maybe they wouldn't be as attached to Varejao as Cavs were. But then again, they clearly prefer him to Bynum...

Leonard and Freeland for Varejao? I'd do that deal...

I would not give up Leonard just yet for another 230 lb PF. Especially one that is 30. I wanted a SG with the #11 pick, but we still need some size.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

The Cavaliers have emerged as a facilitator in a trade that would send Dwight Howard from the Magic to the Lakers.

Cleveland would acquire Andrew Bynum for a package of draft picks and Anderson Varejao.

Los Angeles would receive Howard, while Orlando would acquire Varejao and a collection of picks.

The Rockets have also been engaged in three-way trade talks.

http://basketball.realgm.com/news/#ixzz213Mqrjv6

Dwight Howard has long coveted the Brooklyn Nets as his next landing spot, but after a summer filled with daily rumors of four-team trade proposals, the six-time All-Star has moved on from his Big Apple infatuation and is locked in on joining the Los Angeles Lakers, sources tell RealGM.

The Lakers, Orlando Magic and Cleveland Cavaliers are reportedly discussing a three-team trade that would send Howard to the Lakers, Andrew Bynum to the Cavaliers, while the Magic would receive Anderson Varejao and multiple draft picks.

Howard has always been impressed with the Lakers’ winning tradition and intrigued with the off-court opportunities that come with playing in Los Angeles.

Questions about Howard's role with the team, however, became an early concern for the three-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year. Howard has since moved on from those concerns and is confident he will be an integral part of a team that will have a chance to compete immediately for a championship, according to sources that spoke with RealGM.

The Lakers are reportedly ready to make the trade, but first need assurance from Howard that he will commit to the team long-term. Sources say Howard is “excited” about the opportunity to play for the Lakers and will re-sign with the team when his contract expires at the end of the 2012-13 season.

http://basketball.realgm.com/news/#ixzz213Mwu2cs

 

[Mamba]

I'm trying to be as unbiased here as possible and I'm sure I'll get flamed, but I think its a fair deal all around. Orlando wants picks and cap relief for Dwight, they've made that clear. Cleveland can give them that, Houston can give them that. It was leaked tonight that Dwight does not want to play in Houston and would not re-sign, so its up to Houston to convince him to stay or give up the farm for a one year rental.

Bynum has said he would test free agency and go back to the Lakers, or look to sign in Cleveland, Houston, or Dallas. He really like Byron Scott and Kyrie Irving and him could make a great combo to build around. Bynum, while he has a shitty attitude and has had some injuries, is still the 2nd best C in the league and probably the best offensive center in the league. Its not like the Lakers' are giving up chump change for Dwight.

It'll be interesting to see, if this happens, how Dwight's back has healed and if his heart is really in LA. I know his girlfriend is from LA and he spends a lot of time in the offseason out there with her.

 

[NOVoodoo]

The whole Minny issue baffles me because of this NBA super city set up. While the rich get richer teams like Utah, Portland, Minnesota and Memphis just keep fucking with eatchother.

Hey, I know we (Memphis) have it just as hard as Utah, Portland, and Minnesota, but how have we fucked with any of them? If anything, we're the reason the Wolves have a future right now. We handed them Kevin Love and Mike Miller for essentially nothing.

(A bit of a non sequitur here, but everyone who talks about that draft-day trade always says "at the time it looked like Mayo would be twice the player Love would be... hindsight is 20/20, etc." However, I remember personally taking a beating on this forum for saying the Grizz shouldn't have traded Love and Miller for Mayo on draft night. That's the bitch of evaluating a prospect; by the time the player has realized their potential, everyone has forgotten your evaluation.)

Anyway, regardless of how dominant the Lakers will be with Howard (that's something to talk about when it actually happens), I'm just upset that the Cavs are rearing their ugly head again. I really wanted to see Bynum go to Houston. How great would it have been to see Lin and Bynum struggle in Houston and all of the bitching and moaning that would have come from it? Bynum blaming Lin and Lin blaming Bynum as the Rockets coast into the lottery... I hope that could still happen.

 

[Rhal]

Hey, I know we (Memphis) have it just as hard as Utah, Portland, and Minnesota, but how have we fucked with any of them? If anything, we're the reason the Wolves have a future right now. We handed them Kevin Love and Mike Miller for essentially nothing.

(A bit of a non sequitur here, but everyone who talks about that draft-day trade always says "at the time it looked like Mayo would be twice the player Love would be... hindsight is 20/20, etc." However, I remember personally taking a beating on this forum for saying the Grizz shouldn't have traded Love and Miller for Mayo on draft night. That's the bitch of evaluating prospects.)

Anyway, regardless of how dominant the Lakers will be with Howard (that's something to talk about when it actually happens), I'm just upset that the Cavs are rearing their ugly head again. I really wanted to see Bynum go to Houston. How great would it have been to see Lin and Bynum struggle in Houston and all of the bitching and moaning that would have come from it? Bynum blaming Lin and Lin blaming Bynum as the Rockets coast into the lottery... I hope that could still happen.

You fucked us by signing Darius Miles to a 10 day contract when you really had no need of him and hardly played him. It was also pretty obv the guy was toast. That 10 day contract cost us 8 mill in cap space that summer.

 

[Rhal]

I'm trying to be as unbiased here as possible and I'm sure I'll get flamed, but I think its a fair deal all around. Orlando wants picks and cap relief for Dwight, they've made that clear. Cleveland can give them that, Houston can give them that. It was leaked tonight that Dwight does not want to play in Houston and would not re-sign, so its up to Houston to convince him to stay or give up the farm for a one year rental.

Bynum has said he would test free agency and go back to the Lakers, or look to sign in Cleveland, Houston, or Dallas. He really like Byron Scott and Kyrie Irving and him could make a great combo to build around. Bynum, while he has a shitty attitude and has had some injuries, is still the 2nd best C in the league and probably the best offensive center in the league. Its not like the Lakers' are giving up chump change for Dwight.

It'll be interesting to see, if this happens, how Dwight's back has healed and if his heart is really in LA. I know his girlfriend is from LA and he spends a lot of time in the offseason out there with her.

FUCK THE LAKERS!

okay now that I got that out of my system, its not a bad deal for any of them, its just annoying to see a HoF go to the Lakers again. Its just so annoying that the big market teams have the leverage because players want to play their and the small teams lose there stars to the big market. Even if you get lucky enough to get MVP talent in the draft, in 8 years you lose them because you don't have good talent knocking on your door to come play with you so you really can't screw up with any decision/draft pick in that time frame or your team won't be in contention for a title and the chance of your star leaving becomes higher. It really feels like 24 NBA teams are just feeder teams for the top 6 teams.

 

[NOVoodoo]

You fucked us by signing Darius Miles to a 10 day contract when you really had no need of him and hardly played him. It was also pretty obv the guy was toast. That 10 day contract cost us 8 mill in cap space that summer.

Haha, completely forgot about that.

I think karma caught up with us though, because after Darius Miles helped us to an impressive 24 win season, our dumbass ex-owner wound up making us draft Hasheem Thabeet over Tyreke Evans, who played his college ball in Memphis, because our owner at the time, who knew nothing about basketball, saw one workout with the 7'2"er and insited the team draft him. That should be sufficient payback for Darius Miles...

 

[NOVoodoo]

FUCK THE LAKERS!

okay now that I got that out of my system, its not a bad deal for any of them, its just annoying to see a HoF go to the Lakers again. Its just so annoying that the big market teams have the leverage because players want to play their and the small teams lose there stars to the big market. Even if you get lucky enough to get MVP talent in the draft, in 8 years you lose them because you don't have good talent knocking on your door to come play with you so you really can't screw up with any decision/draft pick in that time frame or your team won't be in contention for a title and the chance of your star leaving becomes higher. It really feels like 24 NBA teams are just feeder teams for the top 6 teams.

Preach!

It frustrates me to no end watching the best players in the league leave their original teams and gravitate towards big market teams.

(I don't understand how Chris Paul never caught any flack for his trade demands with the Hornets, compared to how LeBron James got raked over the coals.)

Anyways, looking at how Los Angeles got where they are now though, the only things that are significantly diffent from the Kobe and Shaq era are the additions of Pau and Bynum.

Pau was a result of Memphis strangely deciding to trade their best player in franchise history to LA to clear cap room and save money (the same year that Jerry West was leaving the organization... coincidentally). I get that Marc Gasol is considered to be just as valuable, if not more, than Pau Gasol these days, but at the time, he was a complete afterthought throw-in. The deal was essentially cutting Pau for cap space on Memphis' end and throwing Pau Gasol to the Lakers in the process.

As for Bynum, the Lakers just had to be fortuitous enough to have Bynum land in their laps in the lottery. I was personally a huge critic of Bynum at the time, and I still am, but it was never over his talent. At the time, everyone was doubting his intelligence, work ethic, etc., and the Lakers really took a chance on him. The fact that their gamble paid off might land them Dwight Howard. That's their doing and is in no way a result of being a "big market team."

So while it'll get under my skin if the Lakers are able to assemble perennial championship contenders, I'd be more upset over their several-year old acquisition of Gasol than their recent legitimate trade offers involving Bynum, who they actually drafted themselves, in the late lottery.

All things considered, they're really building a contender in a more legitimate way than teams like the Miami Heat, Boston Celtics, or New York Knicks.

 

[Mediocre Man]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/222486/Dwight_Howard_Ready_To_Commit_Long_Term_To_Lakers


Shit is getting real.


Neil needs to jump in there and make this a 4 way so we get Vaginajao for Babbitt and a one of the Greeks.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Well of course he'll be a Laker, it's been what, two years since the Lakers were in the finals? I'm pretty sure there's a clause in their franchise charter that the league has to honor.

 

[Natebishop3]

This shit was ordained many moons ago.