OT: I Now Love LeBron and the Heat

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The TWolves just one-upped you HCP. They took something that's already played out and made it their own :grin:
 
KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNNNN!
 
The only thing I like about Lebron James is the fact that his forehead has grown enough to become a fivehead.
 
...here is a lame Weber State version:

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LeBron is easily the best basketball player ever, he's just not the best NBA player ever.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
LeBron is the most gifted and talented basketball player ever.
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No way. I'm sorry, no. Michael Jordan surpasses LeBron.

LBJ might be the most physically gifted player in history because of his size and build, but his skill or sheer will to be the best is not higher than Jordan. I don't believe it.
 
I used to think the Kobe vs. T-Mac arguments were pointless... the LeBron vs. the field argument redefines the meaning of the word though...
 
Natebishop3 said:
No way. I'm sorry, no. Michael Jordan surpasses LeBron.

LBJ might be the most physically gifted player in history because of his size and build, but his skill is not higher than Jordan. I don't believe it.
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I wouldn't say his skill is higher than Jordan's either, but it is my opinion that LeBron's combination of size, athleticism, and skill (passing especially) makes him a better player. Maybe if I could actually remember MJ playing in his prime my opinion would be different. But alas, it's not.
 
I think perceptions of players change as media evolves. I was listening to one of the old players about the myth that players nowadays are that much more athletic and skilled than back in the day, and it was dismissed as purely a perception issue. I find some credence in that thought.
 
NOVoodoo said:
I think perceptions of players change as media evolves. I was listening to one of the old players about the myth that players nowadays are that much more athletic and skilled than back in the day, and it was dismissed as purely a perception issue. I find some credence in that thought.
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They're not. Honestly, highlights from the 90s are more impressive than anything from current day. Not sure if it's because players are more afraid of getting hurt or embarrassing themselves, but nobody dunks like Shawn Kemp. The late 80s and early 90s were just as athletic, if not more athletic.
 
Natebishop3 said:
They're not. Honestly, highlights from the 90s are more impressive than anything from current day. Not sure if it's because players are more afraid of getting hurt or embarrassing themselves, but nobody dunks like Shawn Kemp. The late 80s and early 90s were just as athletic, if not more athletic.
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Agreed, yet the basketball watching youth is going to just know Magic as "that fat guy on tv," not the player that LeBron should really be compared to instead of Jordan.
 
NOVoodoo said:
Agreed, yet the basketball watching youth is going to just know Magic as "that fat guy on tv," not the player that LeBron should really be compare to instead of Jordan.
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Honestly, the quality of basketball piqued in the 90s. There are some very good players today, and I would say LeBron might end up the best of all time, but he still has a LONG way to go. Players are simply not as well rounded today. If you go back and watch videos from the 80s and 90s, everyone could make a jump shot. I couldn't believe how good everyone was at shooting. So many players today couldn't hit a mid-range jumper to save their life.
 
NOVoodoo said:
I think perceptions of players change as media evolves. I was listening to one of the old players about the myth that players nowadays are that much more athletic and skilled than back in the day, and it was dismissed as purely a perception issue. I find some credence in that thought.
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How many times have all track records been beaten in the last 50 years? Any current olympic track athlete would destroy any olympian from 50, 40, 30, even 20 years ago. I think the same principle applies to all sports. The athletes get better physically and in skill.
 
If LeBron played one on one against the best players from history, I can say with confidence LeBron would win much more often than not.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
How many times have all track records been beaten in the last 50 years? Any current olympic track athlete would destroy any olympian from 50, 40, 30, even 20 years ago. I think the same principle applies to all sports. The athletes get better physically and in skill.
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You can't compare track and basketball man...

There have been innovations in the way they train basketball players, but most of what you see is just innate athleticism combined with work ethic.

I think someone like Dr. J would easily be one of the "freak athletes" in the present, and someone like James White would still be a fringe NBA player in the late '80s...
 
VanillaGorilla said:
If LeBron played one on one against the best players from history, I can say with confidence LeBron would win much more often than not.
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MJ in his prime would fuck LeBron up.

Sorry, but LeBronz is mentally weak. Jordan would eat him alive.
 
NOVoodoo said:
You can't compare track and basketball man...
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Why not? When you're talking about athleticism I think it's a good comparison. Sprinters run faster now, it would make perfect sense if basketball players did too. I think with football the comparison is obvious.. but it applies to basketball too.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
Why not? When you're talking about athleticism I think it's a good comparison. Sprinters run faster now, it would make perfect sense if basketball players did too. I think with football the comparison is obvious.. but it applies to basketball too.
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Sprinting around a track is different than all the intangibles that go into sports.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
Why not? When you're talking about athleticism I think it's a good comparison. Sprinters run faster now, it would make perfect sense if basketball players did too. I think with football the comparison is obvious.. but it applies to basketball too.
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Because sprinting and playing basketball are two entirely different things.

Yeah, the trainers out there have better conditioning techniques nowadays, but guys like LeBron and Blake Griffin are products of genes and hard work, not some drills.

You can't tell me when you were playing ball in grade school there weren't some kids on your team grabbing the rim or dunking. Those guys had innate abilities others didn't, and some of those guys just took it to the next level in high school with their work ethic.
 
Explain to me why sprinters run faster, jumpers jump higher, and strongmen lift more now than they did 30 years ago. Then tell me why the same thing doesn't apply to basketball and football players.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
Explain to me why sprinters run faster, jumpers jump higher, and strongmen lift more now than they did 30 years ago. Then tell me why the same thing doesn't apply to basketball and football players.
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You're talking about two PED laden "sports"...
 
VanillaGorilla said:
I thought we had shifted to strictly athleticism, in which case I don't see how they aren't similar.
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Strictly athleticism, it's still debatable whether is LeBron is not the best ever.

Vince Carter

Dominique Wilkins

Jordan

Shawn Kemp

When did you start watching hoops exactly?
 
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