OT: If you switched Kobe and LeBron, what would be the results?

[KingSpeed]

Put Kobe on the Cavs with Mo Williams, Varejao, and company with Mike Brown as coach.

Now put LeBron on the Lakers with Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, and company with Phil Jackson as coach.

The Cavs would've lost in this round just as badly if not worse and the Lakers would easily win the title this year.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

I agree.

 

[huevonkiller]

Kobe would win 73 games, because Mo Williams is such an amazing second option. Better than Pippen.

Jamison = Pau.

 

[Minstrel]

Put Kobe on the Cavs with Mo Williams, Varejao, and company with Mike Brown as coach.

Now put LeBron on the Lakers with Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, and company with Phil Jackson as coach.

The Cavs would've lost in this round just as badly if not worse and the Lakers would easily win the title this year.

Kobe would win 73 games, because Mo Williams is such an amazing second option. Better than Pippen.

Jamison = Pau.

You're both right.

 

[KingSpeed]

Kobe would win 73 games, because Mo Williams is such an amazing second option. Better than Pippen.

Jamison = Pau.

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Kobe would win 73 games, because Mo Williams is such an amazing second option. Better than Pippen.

Jamison = Pau.

If this isn't sarcasm then I don't know what is.

 

[Wheels]

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[LittleAlex]

I loath Kobe but I will say this; no fucking way a team with Kobe on it quits while down by 9 with 1:45 left in the game.

That was a pathetic display of ball-less-ness. Where I a Cleveland fan I would be disgusted.

Hell, I am disgusted anyway.

That, more then the loss itself, tarnishes LeBron in my eyes.

 

[huevonkiller]

I loath Kobe but I will say this; no fucking way a team with Kobe on it quits while down by 9 with 1:45 left in the game.

That was a pathetic display of ball-less-ness. Where I a Cleveland fan I would be disgusted.

Hell, I am disgusted anyway.

That, more then the loss itself, tarnishes LeBron in my eyes.

What happened in the last 1:45?

Somehow I feel like this is another overreaction.

I thought it was closer to 50 seconds left in the game...

 

[Mediocre Man]

I think this is the better question.


Put Phil on the Cavs and Mike Brown on the L*kers and how would things have turned out?

 

[huevonkiller]

What I saw until just under 1 minute left, were the Cavs trying to play defense instead of giving free points on the intentional foul.

Hoping for a turnover/steal, whatever. Until the game was out of reach with 40 seconds left or something like that.

 

[hasoos]

What happened in the last 1:45?

Somehow I feel like this is another overreaction.

I thought it was closer to 50 seconds left in the game...

No it is not an over reaction. The Cavs quit down by 9 with 1:45 left. Considering I have seen 8 points scored in 6 seconds before, why would you ever quit?

 

[Shapecity]

They could've kept fouling Rondo intentionally.

 

[huevonkiller]

No it is not an over reaction. The Cavs quit down by 9 with 1:45 left. Considering I have seen 8 points scored in 6 seconds before, why would you ever quit?

What in particular occurred? I am curious.

 

[huevonkiller]

They could've kept fouling Rondo intentionally.

He's still probably going to get free points. The Varejao 3 was a joke but there were 20 something seconds left.

 

[Shapecity]

At least LeBron shook hands this year.

 

[hasoos]

What in particular occurred? I am curious.

Go back and check out the body language and the lack of attack demeanor. Things like loose balls hitting the floor and players just standing there and watching it like they were in 3rd person. Giving up defensive gimme's. When they came down and ran their offense (if you could call it that), there was no no sense of urgency.

 

[BlazerWookee]

I'd hate the Cavaliers every bit as much as I now hate the L*kers.

 

[DaRizzle]

I loath Kobe but I will say this; no fucking way a team with Kobe on it quits while down by 9 with 1:45 left in the game.

That was a pathetic display of ball-less-ness. Where I a Cleveland fan I would be disgusted.

Hell, I am disgusted anyway.

That, more then the loss itself, tarnishes LeBron in my eyes.

Yeah, thanks for pointing this out...I was blown away by that. They just collectivley decided "fuck it" with about the time you mentioned left. They didnt foul, call timeouts, make a quick basket...it was pathetic.

They had all accepted the season was over long before that game started

 

[LittleAlex]

What in particular occurred? I am curious.

They didn't hound the ball.

Mo Williams was just jacking up shit.

Side-show shot a 3 for fucks sake.

Their body language screamed "We want to get out of here."

It was pathetic.

 

[huevonkiller]

Go back and check out the body language and the lack of attack demeanor. Things like loose balls hitting the floor and players just standing there and watching it like they were in 3rd person. Giving up defensive gimme's. When they came down and ran their offense (if you could call it that), there was no no sense of urgency.

Right but I don't remember that being the time interval. They didn't foul because they're hoping and praying for steals like Reggie Miller. I don't think you get out of that by intentionally fouling.

They used almost all of their timeouts though, they had 1 or 0 left. . I saw some of these things you mentioned but this is with 31 seconds left in the game and after Mo Williams bricked a jumper.

 

[huevonkiller]

They didn't hound the ball.

Mo Williams was just jacking up shit.

Side-show shot a 3 for fucks sake.

Their body language screamed "We want to get out of here."

It was pathetic.

Mo always plays at that level you're just confused.

Yeah Sideshow did that, with 20 seconds left in the game.

 

[KingSpeed]

Apparently, if you switch Kobe and LeBron, then that means Gloria James bangs Jordan Farmarr!

 

[DaRizzle]

The clock ticks down – 56 seconds … 55 seconds … 54 seconds — and Mike Brown waves his arms, and his players just stand there. They just bleeping stand there. You know they’re not going to win. I know they’re not going to win. Boston is beating Cleveland by nine, and that’s too much. There are no miracles left, not for this disappointing Cleveland team, not for this wooden version of LeBron James. They are not going to win, not tonight, I know that, everybody knows that. But they just stand there. They just bleeping stand there.

“MOVE OR SOMETHING!” I hear myself shout.

Is this really how it ends? The Cavaliers players just stand there as the clock drains away – now 51 seconds … now 49 seconds … now 47 seconds— and even coach Mike Brown has stopped trying to wake the dead. He stands with his hands by his sides now, as defeated as his players. He can’t even inspire them to foul.

There have been so many heartbreaking moments for us Cleveland fans … each of them conveniently named so that they can be itemized when a Cleveland team loses yet again. Red Right 88. The Drive. The Fumble. The Shot. Old timers will remember Willie Mays’ catch. Youngsters will remember Joel Skinner, the third-base coach who held up Kenny Lofton. Each of those moments, and others without names, were so heart wrenching for a city that has not won a championship since 1964.

But at least none of those teams quit. Maybe they faded. Maybe they choked. Maybe they even fell apart. But to quit? No, teams don’t really quit. As the Kansas State football coach Bill Snyder said when his team was credited for playing until the end of a game: “They don’t let you quit.”

Only … they’re just standing out there. They quit. Forty five seconds. Forty four. Forty three. The Cavaliers are just standing back, away from the Celtics, waiting for the time to expire so they can leave, waiting for this season to end, waiting like this is some pointless Tuesday night game against Milwaukee or Phoenix in December. They’re just waiting to go home. Maybe they can’t win. But what kind of team just waits for the sad ending? What kind of players give up on a season when there’s still time left on the clock?

http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2010/05/14/one-last-bitter-moment/

Lebrons a quitter

 

[rocketeer]

I loath Kobe but I will say this; no fucking way a team with Kobe on it quits while down by 9 with 1:45 left in the game.

That was a pathetic display of ball-less-ness. Where I a Cleveland fan I would be disgusted.

Hell, I am disgusted anyway.

That, more then the loss itself, tarnishes LeBron in my eyes.

yeah because kobe has definitely never quit on his team before, right?

oh wait? he has. good job trying to make a point that is entirely false.

i really don't understand people trying to compare kobe to lebron as if kobe is above lebron as a competitor after game 5. if anything it drops lebron down to kobe's level as a guy who is willing to quit on his team, but it definitely doesn't elevate kobe above lebron somehow.

 

[huevonkiller]

Kobe quit in Game 6 versus Boston, Michael quit in Game 2 against the Knicks.

Some people can't deal with jealousy. Stop complaining over nothing, it is a bad playoff moment at worst, done various times. And his team quit, LeBron played hard.

 

[DaRizzle]

I didnt compare Lebron to anybody...I said he was a quitter, nothing more or less

 

[KingSpeed]

I didnt compare Lebron to anybody...I said he was a quitter, nothing more or less

Kobe is a quitter too. Remember when he refused to shoot in the second half of Game 7 in 2006? I've never seen anything like before or since. To quit on your team for a WHOLE HALF? In a GAME SEVEN?

Oh and guess what team Kobe quit against? The Suns. Uh oh. More quitting on the horizon? Or is it easier nowadays when he can just ride Pau Gasol's coattails while chucking shots to make his stats look presentable? There, I said it!

 

[MARIS61]

LeBron would be an anal-rapist?

 

[MARIS61]

Kobe is a quitter too. Remember when he refused to shoot in the second half of Game 7 in 2006? I've never seen anything like before or since. To quit on your team for a WHOLE HALF? In a GAME SEVEN?

Oh and guess what team Kobe quit against? The Suns. Uh oh. More quitting on the horizon? Or is it easier nowadays when he can just ride Pau Gasol's coattails while chucking shots to make his stats look presentable? There, I said it!

Pippen did pretty much the same thing with the Bulls.