OT: Is the Gobert trade the worst ever?

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The team has only gotten worse since he got there and his numbers are down. He’s a slight negative on defense. He’s owed $170 million. They gave up 4 or 5 FRPs and 5 (pretty good) players. I can’t think of a worse trade. The Nets trading their pick to us for Gerald Wallace was bad. The Nets trading for KG/Pierce/Terry wasn’t terrible because at least they won a playoff series. As Stren would say, it’s December, but if Minnesota doesn’t make the playoffs, this was the worst trade ever.
 
The team has only gotten worse since he got there and his numbers are down. He’s a slight negative on defense. He’s owed $170 million. They gave up 4 or 5 FRPs and 5 (pretty good) players. I can’t think of a worse trade. The Nets trading their pick to us for Gerald Wallace was bad. The Nets trading for KG/Pierce/Terry wasn’t terrible because at least they won a playoff series. As Stren would say, it’s December, but if Minnesota doesn’t make the playoffs, this was the worst trade ever.
Putting KAT and Gobert in the same lineup looked incredibly stupid and it has proven to be incredibly stupid. Like Nurk both of them have trouble at this point in their careers being mobile enough to provide the requisite defense on the perimeter and protect the paint. Thankfully Nurk is only one of our players and he isn't close to our highest paid. These are the Wolves two highest paid players and that is going to prove very problematic going forward, especially in 2025-26 when if Gobert opts in they will have 100M committed to these two guys for that singular season. Not only did they make a really poor personnel decision but they doubled down on that by giving up a ton of draft assets to go with it (2023, '25, '27 and '29 FRPs and a 2026 first round pick swap).

This was a real head scratcher that looks like it's become a true disaster.

I mean look at the details of this deal: https://www.nba.com/timberwolves/ne...ves-acquire-center-rudy-gobert-from-utah-jazz

What in the actual fuck?!?
 
Timberwolves are vastly underperforming. Losing games that they should theoretically win. That is why this trade looks so bad, but IF they put things together in the next 12 months it will look much better.

IF

IDK that it’s the worst trade ever. I think Gerald Wallace trade is worse.
 
The team has only gotten worse since he got there and his numbers are down. He’s a slight negative on defense. He’s owed $170 million. They gave up 4 or 5 FRPs and 5 (pretty good) players. I can’t think of a worse trade. The Nets trading their pick to us for Gerald Wallace was bad. The Nets trading for KG/Pierce/Terry wasn’t terrible because at least they won a playoff series. As Stren would say, it’s December, but if Minnesota doesn’t make the playoffs, this was the worst trade ever.
It's not even the worst trade a Minnesota team has ever made.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hersc...deal on October 12,18 players and draft picks.
 
I still think the draft day deal that landed Dallas Dirk Nowitzki for Brian Williams. HOFer for draft bust.

Robert Traylor, not Brian Williams.

btw, these trades are up there with the lopsided ones.

Magic Johnson

August 5, 1976: Traded by the New Orleans Jazz (as a future 1979 1st round draft pick) with a 1977 1st round draft pick (Kenny Carr was later selected), a 1978 1st round draft pick (Freeman Williams was later selected) and a 1980 2nd round draft pick (Sam Worthen was later selected) to the Los Angeles Lakers for a 1977 2nd round draft pick (Essie Hollis was later selected) and a 1978 1st round draft pick (Jack Givens was later selected). This exchange was arranged as compensation for Utah signing veteran free agent Gail Goodrich on July 19, 1976.

Mychal Thompson:

June 8, 1978: Traded by the Indiana Pacers (as a future 1978 1st round draft pick) to the Portland Trail Blazers for Johnny Davis and a 1978 1st round draft pick (Rick Robey was later selected) (Robey was traded to Portland for Moses Malone btw).

Here's another odd trade too.

https://www.si.com/nba/2020/02/05/most-bizarre-nba-trade-in-history

Blazers traded Jon Spoelstra to the Pacers for Don Buse.

January 7, 1983: Traded by the Indiana Pacers to the Portland Trail Blazers for cash. Indiana also received the consultation services of Portland vice president Jon Spoelstra.
 
Obviously hadn't had my caffeine. Yes of course Taylor.
 
Found this article

Brandon Roy to Portland
However, the Wolves were not satisfied with their selection, instead trading the draft rights to Roy to the Portland Trail Blazers for the draft rights to Randy Foye and cash.

Ray Allen to Milwaukee

Kevin Garnett to Boston
As the Wolves would continue their rebuilding efforts into the next decade, Garnett would continue his hall-of-fame worthy play. In the 2007-08 season, Garnett was awarded Defensive Player of the Year and would go on to win his sole NBA championship with the Boston Celtics.

Source:
https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2019/...s-3-worst-trades-in-timberwolves-history/amp/
 
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1. 1956: St. Louis Hawks-Boston Celtics trade

The Hawks used the no. 2 pick on Russell, who was fresh off two NCAA championships, then swapped him for Macauley and Hagan, who they drafted at No. 7. Red Auerbach apparently prevented Russell from being taken no. 1 by the Rochester Royals by convincing Celtics owner Walter Brown to bring his renowned ice show, Ice Capades, to the upstate New York town. Macauley and Hagan each made six All-Star teams, compared to Russell’s 12.

This trade is particularly egregious due to the alleged racist motives, as Hawks’ ownership supposedly preferred two white players at a time of increased racial tension in the city.

Russell won 11 titles in Boston, while the Hawks have not reached the NBA Finals since 1961.

Source:
https://clutchpoints.com/the-10-worst-trades-in-nba-history-ranked?amp=1
 
I think Vanderbilt and a 1st (Kessler) would have been sufficient for Minnesota to give up considering they took on Gobert's contract. The filler might have been needed to complete the deal, but the extra 4 first-round picks were crazy.
 
Minnesota actually has had some of their best games when neither Towns or Gobert play. Naz Reid is really a good player when he gets the minutes to show it and they don't have to worry about involving him in the offense. I think both Russell and Edwards play best when they can just be themselves and not worry about Towns. I think they need to trade Towns. If they could somehow get Siakam, maybe involving a third team, depending on what Toronto wants to do in the future, which I think Toronto doesn't even know yet....
 
I think Vanderbilt and a 1st (Kessler) would have been sufficient for Minnesota to give up considering they took on Gobert's contract. The filler might have been needed to complete the deal, but the extra 4 first-round picks were crazy.
In all reality, Kessler may be a better player than Gobert by the end of the year. Or already...

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I thought it was a terrible trade when it happened, and it's even worse than I thought
 
The team has only gotten worse since he got there and his numbers are down. He’s a slight negative on defense. He’s owed $170 million. They gave up 4 or 5 FRPs and 5 (pretty good) players. I can’t think of a worse trade. The Nets trading their pick to us for Gerald Wallace was bad. The Nets trading for KG/Pierce/Terry wasn’t terrible because at least they won a playoff series. As Stren would say, it’s December, but if Minnesota doesn’t make the playoffs, this was the worst trade ever.
This is a misrepresentation. It was a bad trade to begin with, but now people are just piling on. I forget where I saw it, but when Gobert is on the court the Wolves have a top-10 defense, and when he's off, they're among the league worst, so that's not the issue. It's funny that people have REALLY started to unload since KAT went out, when the Wolves have been about the same. Why dump on Gobert when KAT makes no difference to your record?

Yes, it was an unbalanced trade - the league should prevent a team giving up that many first rounders. But if the Wolves could get a couple of really solid 3-and-D guys for KAT (plus a couple of first rounders back), they'd be back in business. People also forget that "the real" Ant came in very out of shape, and is learning how to play with Gobert. (To his credit, he's become a much better passer this season.) The Wolves are a cursed franchise, sure, but "worst trade ever" is ridiculous hyperbole.

(I should note that I was always a firm believer that Gobert was the one behind the Jazz's good record and Mitchell got all the credit. I am definitely re-evaluating that view! Gobert is kind of a dinosaur in today's NBA, certainly with THAT contract. Maybe if Nurk gave him three point shooting lessons?)
 
I think they need to trade Towns. If they could somehow get Siakam, maybe involving a third team, depending on what Toronto wants to do in the future, which I think Toronto doesn't even know yet....

Abso-fucking-lutely. Been saying this for years. Does he have value round the league, I wonder. Bigs who play no defense are a bit stuck out of time, as poor old Jahlil Okafor can attest. The only difference is KAT has an outside shot. But remember that he was the #1 pick in the year Jokic was a second-rounder...

If only Minny could combine KAT and Gobert into one BrundleCenter...
 
Magic Johnson

August 5, 1976: Traded by the New Orleans Jazz (as a future 1979 1st round draft pick) with a 1977 1st round draft pick (Kenny Carr was later selected), a 1978 1st round draft pick (Freeman Williams was later selected) and a 1980 2nd round draft pick (Sam Worthen was later selected) to the Los Angeles Lakers for a 1977 2nd round draft pick (Essie Hollis was later selected) and a 1978 1st round draft pick (Jack Givens was later selected). This exchange was arranged as compensation for Utah signing veteran free agent Gail Goodrich on July 19, 1976.

There's simply not enough to be said about this lopsided trade.

The Jazz traded:

1st round pick in 77 (#6), 78 (#8/Freeman Williams, Portland State) and 79 (#1) AND a 1980 2nd round pick in exchange for a 1977 2nd round pick and a 1978 1st round pick (who played 2 years), all because they signed Gail Goodrich...who absolutely sucked at that point in his career.

Fun fact about the 78 pick.

August 5, 1976
: Traded by the New Orleans Jazz (as a future 1978 1st round draft pick) with a 1977 1st round draft pick (Kenny Carr (future Blazer) was later selected), 1979 1st round draft pick (Magic Johnson was later selected) and a 1980 2nd round draft pick (Sam Worthen was later selected) to the Los Angeles Lakers for a 1977 2nd round draft pick (Essie Hollis was later selected) and a 1978 1st round draft pick (Jack Givens was later selected). This exchange was arranged as compensation for Utah signing veteran free agent Gail Goodrich on July 19, 1976.

December 27, 1977: Traded by the Los Angeles Lakers (as a future 1978 1st round draft pick) with Don Chaney and Kermit Washington (future Blazer) to the Boston Celtics for Charlie Scott (Scott turned into Ron Boone, who in turn turned into wasted pick)

June 9, 1978: Drafted by the Boston Celtics in the 1st round (8th pick) of the 1978 NBA Draft.

August 4, 1978: Traded by the Boston Celtics with Kevin Kunnert, Kermit Washington and Sidney Wicks (all played for the Blazers) to the San Diego Clippers for Tiny Archibald, Marvin Barnes, Billy Knight, a 1981 2nd round draft pick (Danny Ainge was later selected...future Blazer) and a 1983 2nd round draft pick (Rod Foster was later selected).

January 20, 1982: Traded by the San Diego Clippers to the Atlanta Hawks for Charlie Criss and Al Wood.

September 2, 1982: Traded by the Atlanta Hawks with John Drew to the Utah Jazz for Dominique Wilkins.



So that #8 pick ended up going back to the Jazz and was involved in two of the most lopsided trades in NBA History. The trade that netted the Lakers Magic, and the trade that netted the Hawks Dominique.
 
Some other good (awful) examples have been mentioned, but I'm partial to Kevin McHale and Robert Parrish for Joe Barry Carroll.

Honorable mention: Viktor Bout for Brittney Griner.
 
Some other good (awful) examples have been mentioned, but I'm partial to Kevin McHale and Robert Parrish for Joe Barry Carroll.

Honorable mention: Viktor Bout for Brittney Griner.

I lived in the Bay Area during that time and every Boston game on TV was a painful reminder for the die-hard Warrior fans.
Fun fact.....Kevin McHale had an 8' wing span
 
Kareem Abdul Jabbar to LA… didn’t he become the NBA ALL TIME LEADING SCORER?
 
Shit, even Folkes for Tatum is a worse trade.
 
Kareem Abdul Jabbar to LA… didn’t he become the NBA ALL TIME LEADING SCORER?

Yeah but I give the Bucks a break on that one. Kareem forced a trade to either NY or LA. No matter what, whoever ended up with Kareem was going to get the better end of the deal. But the Bucks did get 4 decent players. They tried for 8 months to get a better deal, but they did not have much leverage since he demanded the trade.
 
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