OT: Its official - O'Neal to Toronto; Ford and 17 to the Pacers.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jun 25 2008, 08:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i agree its basically JO for ur 17th pick...

and JO > ford, nestro and 17th pick... thing is the salary... if JO doesnt pan out. but hey at least you guys are tryin to get better... our GM and pres biggest move oh wait.... is news paper and radio interviews bout what they are goin to do on draft nite... great!

hey at least we still have harris? and vc?</div>

And he becomes an expiring contract after this upcoming season, if things don't work out. That's like, medium-risk, high-reward right there.

The only risk is if it turns they needed TJ that bad (which at this point, it doesn't)...or if the 17th pick pans out to be a really good player.
 
agreed ^...

why arent we makin any moves? cmon thornki! lets do this...

and brand is gonna be hard to get from the clips... and if its free agent we dont have the money so its gonna have to be a S & T
 
Yeah, like for seasons after the Raptors traded Carter to NJ Toronto has been talking about adding 2nd scorer, but like signing role players like Kapono etc isnt going to help Bosh out that much. Now we take a chance at O'Neil and if he doesn't work out then he could be dealt to another team looking for a potential scorer and he would be more valuable as he is 22 MIL coming off the cap.

If we do keep JO for the full 2 years I (which I expect) we'll have Bosh and JO coming off the cap during the same year with Calderon, Bargnani and Kapono being the only ones under contract.

Anyways people could bash JO, and yeah he has been injured but hopefully this trade rejuvenates O'Neil and he'll play determined basketball.
 
Fantastic trade by Bryan Colangelo...Ford has been a nonfactor for Toronto thus far and the 17th pick realistically would be used on a role player...O'neal if healthy could pair with Bosh to form the most formidable frontcourt since Duncun and Robinson...to true allstars paired in the frontcourt with Calderon at the point...could be a very dangerous team next season.
 
hey lets see what the nets do... im jealous of what they did in toronto! cmon thorn... cmon kiki... cmon mr. ratner
 
At worst O'Neil becomes a 22 million dollar expiring contract next summer so the risk is worth it. So does this mean they are going to try and trade Bargnani for a star swingman?

Anyways, make SOMETHING happen Thornkiki!!!

Choose a god damn direction and go for the reload with a star big or rebuild by trading Carter and Jefferson.
 
I don't know what happened to the other thread, but whatever. I'll just repost what I said in the other one.

Pacers made out pretty good in this trade. They get a nice young point gaurd in T.J. Ford. They get a nice expiring in Rasho and another first round pick.

As for it's affect on us, it really doesn't matter this year. Even if O'Neal regains his previous form (questionable at best), Raptors will not beat Boston, and needless to say neither will us. It could work out good for Toronto, at least they're not maintainging the status quo. They regressed from last year (06-07) and at least you can say they tried to make their team better. I am glad however, the Nets did not get O'Neal.
 
haha terrible trade for toronto... Oneal was mediocre even when he was healthy, and is a terrible match with Bosh... they do pretty much the same thing... he's just gonna take shots from Bosh, they needed a guy more like Diop, a garbage man/enforcer type... and while they didn't need Ford, he should have more value than that...
 
If Jermaine O'Neil could get the Pacers an expiring contract, a solid starter, and a mid first round pick then what could Carter or Jefferson get? What does it mean for Brand's trade value?
 
omg jefferson, marcus, kvh contract, and trade exemption, and the 10th pick for elton brand!
 
Boy, if Toronto fans hated Vince Carter, I can only imagine....
 
Shit the Atlantic division just got much tougher... But this Raptors-Pacers trade kinda forces us to make a big trade as well...maybe a Brand? Shit we can't fall behind make something happen Thron & Kiki ASAP.
 
Interesting bit about why the trade has to happen July 1 and both teams will be drafting for the other.

http://sportstwo.com/NBA/Story/NBA/2508687

Ford-for-O'Neal trade almost complete
Wednesday, June 25, 2008 08:28 PM

TORONTO (Ticker) -- The on-again, off-again T.J. Ford-for-Jermaine O'Neal trade talks appear to be very much on again, according to a published report on Wednesday.

The Toronto Star reported that the Toronto Raptors and Indiana Pacers are very close to completing a trade involving the two injury-prone stars.

According to the Star, Toronto - which owns the 17th overall selection in Thursday's draft - will ship Ford and the pick along with center Rasho Nesterovic and another player to balance out the salaries in order to acquire O'Neal. O'Neal is owed $44 million over the next two seasons.

However, nothing can be finalized until Ford's base-year compensation tag comes off the books on July 1, the same day the NBA's one-week moratorium goes into effect. For that reason, the Raptors will make their choice in Thursday's draft based on what the Pacers tell them to do, according to the paper.

The trade is intriguing from the standpoint that the centerpieces - Ford and O'Neal - come with lengthy injury histories.

Ford was diagnosed with spinal stenosis - a condition that narrows the openings the spinal cord runs through - and has twice missed significant parts of a NBA season. He sat out the entire 2004-05 season with the Milwaukee Bucks following neck surgery and missed 13 games with a neck injury last season after Atlanta's Al Horford leveled him on a breakaway layup.

The 25-year-old Ford, who averaged 12.1 points and 6.1 assists last season, became expendable when his backup, Jose Calderon, emerged in his absence.

O'Neal, who averaged 13.6 points and 6.7 rebounds, played just 42 games for Indiana last campaign with a left knee injury and hasn't played in 70 games in any of the last four seasons.
 
So what if one team decides to pull out, between now and July 1st?
 
If they want to kill the deal, they'd just be sure one guy failed the physical.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rory @ Jun 25 2008, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Boy, if Toronto fans hated Vince Carter, I can only imagine....</div>

haha great point. ESPN made this point too:

JO was unhappy in Portland
JO was unhappy when they fired Isiah
JO was unhappy with Stephen Jackson as his sidekick
JO was unhappy with the pacers and wanted out

they basically said that he has the talent but its clear that since hes been the league, hes been complaining and his attitude is real problem and has not matured

on paper, its a great trade for TO. gotta give to their management. THEY MAKE THINGS HAPPEN UNLIKE NETS!!! grr...this ruined my day
 
Well Toronto is one of our rivals, and I didn't want JO on my team so overall I'm pretty happy that this went down.
 
A player with a nasty attitude is something the Raptors need desperately, but I don't think O'Neal has one. He is just outspoken.
 
what about numbers
JO is 7
Bargs is 7
Ford was 11

Solution?
Bargs 11
JO 7
?
 
Is Jermaine going to play center? Bosh and O'neal frontcourt? Thats going to be sick if O'neal manages to stay healthy.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bynumite @ Jun 25 2008, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Is Jermaine going to play center? Bosh and O'neal frontcourt? Thats going to be sick if O'neal manages to stay healthy.</div>
Jo will be the 5
CB4 will be the 4
Kapono/Moon probably the 3
AP at 2
Calderon at 1

not bad
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BasX @ Jun 25 2008, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bynumite @ Jun 25 2008, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Is Jermaine going to play center? Bosh and O'neal frontcourt? Thats going to be sick if O'neal manages to stay healthy.</div>
Jo will be the 5
CB4 will be the 4
Kapono/Moon probably the 3
AP at 2
Calderon at 1

not bad
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yea thats pretty sick, hopefully JO could stay healthy.
 
Heres Our Depth Chart At This Point
C - JO - Baston
F - Bosh - Bargnani - Humphries
F - Kapono - Moon - Graham
G - Parker - Delfino
G - Calderon

so what we need ahahah, a PG obviously
 
Im so not afraid of Jermaine O Neal.

Good deal for Indiana though.

They could even package the picks for a big(Jumping over Charlotte for Lopez?)
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BasX @ Jun 25 2008, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Heres Our Depth Chart At This Point
C - JO - Baston
F - Bosh - Bargnani - Humphries
F - Kapono - Moon - Graham
G - Parker - Delfino
G - Calderon

so what we need ahahah, a PG obviously</div>
Can I interest you in a back-up pg?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaxaMillion711 @ Jun 25 2008, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>this makes me upset. i wish rod thorn would make a move like this. teams like TO and Portland are making great trades IMO and I feel that NJ is playing the waiting game....now you could say they are waiting for the right move, but Im just venting...I wish my favorite team would spice things up..and want to win now...I feel like they are rebuilding for 4 years when I want to win now :/</div>
I freakin' concur
 
I am shocked that some people still want Jermaine O'Neal on the Nets. His last good season was 03-04! You know who else had their last good season in 03-04? Jamaal Magloire!
 
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