(OT) Jazz looking to trade everyone but Williams and Millsap?

[hasoos]

How would he be considered untradeable? He's easily tradeable, Utah is probably just asking too much. I don't think they're too worried about being "stuck" with him. I think they were bummed he didn't opt out last season.

Exactamundo. They wanted him to leave and wanted to keep Milsap. Then they had like 3 guys they thought would opt out, not opt out. Hence the trade we saw to OKC, that was all about removal of contractual obligation to clear cap space.

 

[Boob-No-More]

How would he be considered untradeable? He's easily tradeable, Utah is probably just asking too much. I don't think they're too worried about being "stuck" with him. I think they were bummed he didn't opt out last season.

Perhaps untradeable is too strong. Difficult to trade would be better. If he was easy to trade, he'd have been traded over the summer when Utah was openly shopping him to anyone who'd listen.

A team would have to be VERY desparate for short term help to give up anything of value to rent Boozer for half a season. Utah wants to dump him for salary/tax relief AND get something of value in return. But, all they are likely to be offered is someone paid nearly as much with a longer contract and that doesn't help them at all.

Miami is supposedly one of his preferred locations. If true, they can just wait and sign him in July without giving up anything of value - or paying the rest of his $12.6 million salary this year.

With his contract, his past unethical behavior and lack of loyalty to the teams paying his salary, he's not going to fetch much of value in return - unless Utah is also willing to take back a bad contract - which they aren't.

BNM

 

[hasoos]

Perhaps untradeable is too strong. Difficult to trade would be better. If he was easy to trade, he'd have been traded over the summer when Utah was openly shopping him to anyone who'd listen.

A team would have to be VERY desparate for short term help to give up anything of value to rent Boozer for half a season. Utah wants to dump him for salary/tax relief AND get something of value in return. But, all they are likely to be offered is someone paid nearly as much with a longer contract and that doesn't help them at all.

Miami is supposedly one of his preferred locations. If true, they can just wait and sign him in July without giving up anything of value - or paying the rest of his $12.6 million salary this year.

With his contract, his past unethical behavior and lack of loyalty to the teams paying his salary, he's not going to fetch much of value in return - unless Utah is also willing to take back a bad contract - which they aren't.

BNM

I prefer to think of it as, why trade for a guy that you can pick up as a free agent next summer? As long as you are in position to sign a player, you have a good chance to pick him up. Everybody will be fighting over elite players (most of which will go nowhere), a team could swoop in and sign him while the eyes are on other prizes, or the money is spent elsewhere, and he has to accept your market offer because no more teams can pay him.

 

[mook]

I prefer to think of it as, why trade for a guy that you can pick up as a free agent next summer? As long as you are in position to sign a player, you have a good chance to pick him up. Everybody will be fighting over elite players (most of which will go nowhere), a team could swoop in and sign him while the eyes are on other prizes, or the money is spent elsewhere, and he has to accept your market offer because no more teams can pay him.

Yeah, I think he's next summer's Hedo Turkoglu. Except a lot more talented.

 

[mook]

"Rival executives think the Jazz have been asking for too much for Boozer, and that most teams who trade for him would want assurances they have a good chance to re-sign him over the summer."

You mean like the assurances he gave Cleveland he'd re-sign with them - right before he TOTALLY screwed them over. His agent resigned over that. You know you have questionable ethics when your own agent calls you out.

This has come back to haunt the Jazz. Boozer is viewed as a traitorous mercenary with absolutely no loyalty to anyone or anything but the all mighty dollar. Nobody wants to trade for an overpaid back-stabbing snake that will lie to them and then bolt leaving them with nothing the first chance he gets.

So, Utah is stuck with the last year of his contract, paying the luxury tax and losing him for nothing when he signs elsewhere next July. Can't say I feel sorry for them. You reap what you sow. They screwed the Cavs when they snatched the traitor from them. Now, they get what they deserve - an untradeable, overpaid malcontent.

BNM

That's an awesome analysis. I hadn't thought of it that way.

Still, though, in the big picture the acquisition worked out pretty well for Utah. They won a lot more games than they would've without him.

Next summer they'll pretty much be back where they were before they signed him.

 

[J_Ray]

So, Utah is stuck with the last year of his contract, paying the luxury tax and losing him for nothing when he signs elsewhere next July. Can't say I feel sorry for them. You reap what you sow. They screwed the Cavs when they snatched the traitor from them. Now, they get what they deserve - an untradeable, overpaid malcontent.

BNM

May I add Utah had no idea about the previous agreement between Boozer and Cleveland before they offered him an offer sheet. It was an under the table agreement that was a wink wink deal between Boozer and Cleveland, which in its own wasn't legal according to the bargaining agreement. Boozer isn't exactly a someone that you would consider a long term enigma considering he's expiring anyways, so they aren't strapped w/ him forever.

 

[Boob-No-More]

May I add Utah had no idea about the previous agreement between Boozer and Cleveland before they offered him an offer sheet. It was an under the table agreement that was a wink wink deal between Boozer and Cleveland, which in its own wasn't legal according to the bargaining agreement. Boozer isn't exactly a someone that you would consider a long term enigma considering he's expiring anyways, so they aren't strapped w/ him forever.

The sad thing is, John Paxson did it as a favor for Boozer so the Cavs could re-sign him for more money - and then he turned around and screwed them. Once it happended, there was nothing Cleveland could do about it, but it sure pissed off Boozer's agent that his client went back on his word and reneged on a verbal agreement that was negotiated specifically to benefit his client.

BNM

 

[J_Ray]

The sad thing is, John Paxson did it as a favor for Boozer so the Cavs could re-sign him for more money - and then he turned around and screwed them. Once it happended, there was nothing Cleveland could do about it, but it sure pissed off Boozer's agent that his client went back on his word and reneged on a verbal agreement that was negotiated specifically to benefit his client.

BNM

Yup.

 

[RR7]

Well, he did it as a favor to himself, as well. Boozer could have played out that one year, and then likely have bolted anyways. He was looking to cheat, much the way Kevin McHale did. Cleveland should be lucky he didn't honor his word, they likely would have voided the deal, and penalized them a bunch of draft picks. Not that missing out on Luke Jackson would have been that big of a deal, the following season.
Either way, I have a hard time feeling bad for a team that was doing something wrong, when they got wronged.

 

[MickZagger]

The only player on Utah that I'd be interested in that is actually obtainable is Brewer. Williams and Millsap would be great, but thats not going to happen. Brewer is a better player than Outlaw and Webster, but I think Batum's NBA future is brighter than Brewers.