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Horrible decision. At least finish high school. He isn't going to become a star in Europe over night. People say Rubio or Parker started playing professionally since they were 16, but they're special talents and they have been playing in a higher competition level longer. Everyone saw what happened to Brandon Jennings even after he was regarded as the best high school point guard out there.
 
Good for Tyler. I've been to Europe. I've had my senior year of high school. I got a lot more out of Europe.

It's amazing how many here say he'll never develop in Europe, and tomorrow night they'll be cheering for our Euro rookie Rudy Fernandez.

Would Rudy be a much better player if he'd left Spain at the age of 15 to have his senior year of high school in America, then go on to college for a few years, then applied for the draft? The fact that nobody has ever even suggested it shows how ridiculous the idea is.

What really riles people up is that he's doing something different, and that he's doing it in Europe. It's somehow un-American or anti-American.

To me it's just common sense.
 
mook said:
Good for Tyler. I've been to Europe. I've had my senior year of high school. I got a lot more out of Europe.

It's amazing how many here say he'll never develop in Europe, and tomorrow night they'll be cheering for our Euro rookie Rudy Fernandez.

Would Rudy be a much better player if he'd left Spain at the age of 15 to have his senior year of high school in America, then go on to college for a few years, then applied for the draft? The fact that nobody has ever even suggested it shows how ridiculous the idea is.

What really riles people up is that he's doing something different, and that he's doing it in Europe. It's somehow un-American or anti-American.

To me it's just common sense.
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It's just in sports. We support child celebrities in music, film, and television all the time. A lot of those kids are way more fucked up than Tyler will ever be for missing one year of high school.
 
HSs and GED classes aren't going anywhere. If he blows ou this knee in Europe, he could have just as easily blown his knee out his senior year of HS. The only difference is the money he'll have in his pocket from his first year contract.
 
Natebishop3 said:
It's just in sports. We support child celebrities in music, film, and television all the time. A lot of those kids are way more fucked up than Tyler will ever be for missing one year of high school.
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That is what lawyers call "an argument that proves too much." The % of child actors who wind up dead, in prison, in rehab, etc is scandalous. Why should sports adopt a model that has already been proven to be a failure?
 
oldmangrouch said:
That is what lawyers call "an argument that proves too much." The % of child actors who wind up dead, in prison, in rehab, etc is scandalous. Why should sports adopt a model that has already been proven to be a failure?
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Why bring Hollywood into the mix when we have so many other more relevant examples from sports and specifically basketball? How are Rudy, Batum, TParker, Kirilenko, and dozens of others doing who spent time in the Euroleagues as teenagers? How about tennis players? Or baseball? Or hockey?

I have several personal examples of friends who lost their way (and then some) after they joined the US armed services at 18, but like Hollywood child actors thats a completely different scenario.

STOMP
 
i would do the same thing. high school is useless. and its not like a diploma can you get a good job anyways
 
Having the talent to work abroad for a 6 or 7 figure salary at 17 is an amazing life experience and much more valuable than an ordinary year of high school.
 
I left HS after my junior year. Now I spend all my time posting on S2.

Don't do it Jeremy! Save yourself!

barfo
 
barfo said:
I left HS after my junior year. Now I spend all my time posting on S2.


barfo
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I'm suddenly embarrassed..........and ashamed. ;)
 
BlazersBlood said:
If my son or daughter had a chance to make hundreds of thousands of dollars before graduating high school, and high school was in the way, I'd tell them to drop out and make that money. They can ALWAYS go back for education if that opportunity evaporates. ALWAYS. In fact, if they get paid and flame out, then they can pay for a great college education to pursue their next dream.

Seriously, high school doesn't mean shit. College is a much more healthy atmosphere to get an education as compared to the the clique filled high schools.

Rather than trying to look at basketball as just a game, try to relate it to something that an average Joe would be doing. If your 16 year old son got a marketing business going and he was offered a contract to work for Nike for $350,000, would you stop him from taking the job because he hasn't graduated high school yet? Or would you say, "that would be a fucking disgrace to you and this family! You are not dropping out of high school to pursue a once in a lifetime business opportunity. You have to take the long, meaningless, and hard road to get to where you need to go because that will make you are real man!" Get the fuck out.
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Never saw it by this perspective, very well put.
 
Oh hell, let's just abandon education all together. Sure 99.999% of the kids will wind up flipping burgers or panhandling on the street - but we wouldn't want to hold back that tiny percentage who will be become successful jocks, rap stars, or drug lords.
 
Nobody is talking at all about completely abandoning education, and it's ridiculous to try to stretch it to that conclusion. He is given an opportunity to make money now to pursue a career. The article stated he was working on getting his HS diploma, so he hasn't abandoned education at all. Thing is, there is a limited time to do some careers, sports being a primary one, whereas education is always available to people. Like was mentioned before, if he flames out after a year or two, he will easily have enough money to pay in full for his education. Will he? Who knows. But acting like 1 year in HS, of which he is taking online classes for, and 1 year of college was going to give him this vast education he is otherwise missing? .
 
oldmangrouch said:
Oh hell, let's just abandon education all together. Sure 99.999% of the kids will wind up flipping burgers or panhandling on the street - but we wouldn't want to hold back that tiny percentage who will be become successful jocks, rap stars, or drug lords.
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Well I can think of one case where education has failed...your argument skills.
 
oldmangrouch said:
Oh hell, let's just abandon education all together. Sure 99.999% of the kids will wind up flipping burgers or panhandling on the street - but we wouldn't want to hold back that tiny percentage who will be become successful jocks, rap stars, or drug lords.
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I support this statement. More jobs for me!
 
HurraKane212 said:
this is a terrible argument.

What the fuck does this have to do with the topic at hand? This is a strawman.
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Hardly. There are several posts in this thread that describe getting an education (in general) and high school (in particular) as a waste of time.
 
oldmangrouch said:
Hardly. There are several posts in this thread that describe getting an education (in general) and high school (in particular) as a waste of time.
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High school IS a waste of time. A person would be better off skipping high school all together and going straight to community college. The only thing they would be missing out on is the social side, but for some kids, it's the social aspect that hurts them more than it helps.
 
LittleAlex said:
Well I can think of one case where education has failed...your argument skills.
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Why, because I refuse to be a luddite sheep and accept the claim that school is a waste of time? Have you actually read what some of the posters in this thread are saying?

BTW, if I'm so wrong - why the personal attack? You seem to have a hard time dealing in a civil manner with anybody who disagrees with you.
 
Natebishop3 said:
High school IS a waste of time. A person would be better off skipping high school all together and going straight to community college. The only thing they would be missing out on is the social side, but for some kids, it's the social aspect that hurts them more than it helps.
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Yeah, HS is good mainly for the social aspects. The most valuable course I took in high school was TYPING. Most of the other shit you can learn on your own.
 
oldmangrouch said:
Why, because I refuse to be a luddite sheep and accept the claim that school is a waste of time? Have you actually read what some of the posters in this thread are saying?

BTW, if I'm so wrong - why the personal attack? You seem to have a hard time dealing in a civil manner with anybody who disagrees with you.
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Actually the sheep are the ones who say that a high school education is a valuable thing...when its totally a waste when one really thinks about it. It teaches people to follow a path, to be lazy and to expect things to happen instead of making them happen.

American high schools are a disgrace. There has to be some kind of real education reform that makes education relevant instead of wasting time.
 
Natebishop3 said:
High school IS a waste of time. A person would be better off skipping high school all together and going straight to community college. The only thing they would be missing out on is the social side, but for some kids, it's the social aspect that hurts them more than it helps.
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So, you learned *nothing* from 9th through 12th grade?

Call me old-fasioned, an elitist, or whatever you like. This whole argument sickens me. I'm out.
 
oldmangrouch said:
So, you learned *nothing* from 9th through 12th grade?

Call me old-fasioned, an elitist, or whatever you like. This whole argument sickens me. I'm out.
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I learned that people at that age have no fucking concept of how to treat each other. They put some on pedestals, and others in the mud. I learned that it's more important to wear the right clothes, go to the right parties, and talk to the right people, than to be civil, polite, and intelligent. I learned that you must conform if you hope to survive.

I run into people to this day who worry about what people from high school think of them. It absolutely shocks me. They feel like they have to prove something to these people that they haven't seen in ten or so years.

Children that age would be much better off spending those years in community college, with smaller classes, better teachers, and less social bullshit drama. Not to mention the classes would count towards their high school diploma AND their four year degree.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I learned that people at that age have no fucking concept of how to treat each other. They put some on pedestals, and others in the mud. I learned that it's more important to wear the right clothes, go to the right parties, and talk to the right people, than to be civil, polite, and intelligent. I learned that you must conform if you hope to survive.

I run into people to this day who worry about what people from high school think of them. It absolutely shocks me. They feel like they have to prove something to these people that they haven't seen in ten or so years.

Children that age would be much better off spending those years in community college, with smaller classes, better teachers, and less social bullshit drama. Not to mention the classes would count towards their high school diploma AND their four year degree.
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While I somewhat agree with what you're saying, if you think about it, you were able to learn from that situation as well. You learned, essentially, how NOT to be. How it makes more sense to be civil, polite and intelligent than worry about what you wear. That climbing the social ladder isn't as important as it seems because those people still fret over what others think of them. I dislike the social situation of HS as well, and I had lots of friends and was president of my class. Played football, etc. But I caught on early I didn't actually have to be a dick to make friends, and saw hwo trivial a lot of HS was. I got what I needed or wanted out of it, and made sure not to sweat most of it, sicne it was primarily bullshit. I think a lot of what I learned actually from HS was social in aspect, and how not to be. Not sure if that makes sense, or if I conveyed that correctly. I know you can say it's common sense to be nice, etc. but seeing crap in person of how people are treated leaves a mroe lasting impression.
 
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