OT: JR Smith unties Marion's shoe during a FT

[Denny Crane]

Total Globetrotters move by J.R. I think it's funny, but deserves a technical serious competitive basketball.

Yep.

And imagine the injury possibility if a player has his pants around his ankles.

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[THE HCP]

JR Smith went from being in my top 5 most hated players in the league to my favorite all time player ever! Street smarts right there FAMS!

 

[Strenuus]

JR Smith went from being in my top 5 most hated players in the league to my favorite all time player ever! Street smarts right there FAMS!

We forgot to get a FAMS drop from you the other night.

 

[jlprk]

When I grew up, life was tough in the neighborhood. The rules for HORSE were that if a dude pantsed you he got a letter. They might kill you if you couldn't spell. Rough place.

 

[dviss1]

Yep.

And imagine the injury possibility if a player has his pants around his ankles.

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That was at the All Star Game... C'mon Denny, you're better than that.

 

[THE HCP]

Uh oh.....League now looking into this.

 

[Denny Crane]

That was at the All Star Game... C'mon Denny, you're better than that.

So?

All-Star game is the only place pranks are allowed?

I think this was a prank, but only JR was in on why it was funny. Or maybe it was gamesmanship.

It's not something you see every day.

I read a few articles about it today and they all said it didn't bother Marion.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

When an NBA player gets bloody, the refs immediately stop the game for safety reasons. This "prank" is much more likely to lead to injury than that.

J.R. Smith has yet to figure out that athletic gifts are meaningless in basketball (offense) if you don't use them to get your team an easier shot. Of course he should be fined, but frankly I think being J.R. Smith is probably punishment enough.

 

[dviss1]

So?

All-Star game is the only place pranks are allowed?

I think this was a prank, but only JR was in on why it was funny. Or maybe it was gamesmanship.

It's not something you see every day.

I read a few articles about it today and they all said it didn't bother Marion.

Yes the All-Star game is the only place pranks are allowed. Especially against an opponent. Your disingenuous clip was in the All-Star game and was against a teammate. It also was his rip away pants not his shoe string. It didn't even happen during the game. It was during introductions not with a live ball.

Sure they are both pranks but they are not comparable pranks. Plus, you prank your teammates. I'll bet Marion doesn't even like JR Smith.
This is a real prank:

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Tasteful and no harm to anyone DURING the game.

 

[jlprk]

When Stern took over, he immediately made the league punitive beginning in the 80s. It was a reflection of how the legal system vastly increased its prison sentences starting then.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports....h-untie-shawn-marions-shoe-during-game-video/

It’s not as egregious as what Kidd did, not close. but of you want to argue it is unsportsmanlike you wouldn’t be wrong. The league can try to argue a slippery slope here with other pranks and decide to nip this in the bud with a fine. I’m not sure it really deserves that kind of attention, but the league office and I often seem to have a different sense of humor.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

hmmm.

Marc Berman @NYPost_Berman about 5 minutes ago

League source says J.R. Smith got league warning, no fine.

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz2plC3FxT9

 

[dviss1]

Marc Berman @NYPost_Berman about 5 minutes ago

League source says J.R. Smith got league warning, no fine.

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz2plC3FxT9

Probably for the best. He still deserved a Tech though.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Tried it again tonight.

http://deadspin.com/j-r-smith-fails-to-untie-greg-monroes-shoe-1496754306?

 

[BBert]

So every time JR bends over at the FT line someone is going to say he's going for the shoe laces?

Psyche!

It's like a spit ball pitcher, not throwing spit balls.

 

[PapaG]

So every time JR bends over at the FT line someone is going to say he's going for the shoe laces?

Psyche!

It's like a spit ball pitcher, not throwing spit balls.

Smith tried it again with Greg Monroe. The NBA was not amused, and really should have fined him the first time.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/sto...k-recurring-instances-unsportsmanlike-conduct

 

[dviss1]

Smith tried it again with Greg Monroe. The NBA was not amused, and really should have fined him the first time.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/sto...k-recurring-instances-unsportsmanlike-conduct

I told you Denny. It's unsportsmanlike conduct.

 

[maxiep]

Solution: Double knots.

 

[Blazer Fanatic]

No, I said if you make a post to provoke a response don't get upset over the response it provoked.

Sage advice.


And 50k fine for Smith trying to do it again versus Monroe. Like he has a serious problem. A shoe lace fetish. Weird.

 

[maxiep]

JR Smith went from being in my top 5 most hated players in the league to my favorite all time player ever! Street smarts right there FAMS!

You respect the ability to untie shoes? Is that why you don't tie your kicks?

 

[Denny Crane]

I told you Denny. It's unsportsmanlike conduct.

I didn't say it wasn't.

I said it was a prank.

(And Jordan pantsing Penny Hardaway was unsportsmanlike and a prank, too)

 

[Natebishop3]

I didn't say it wasn't.

I said it was a prank.

(And Jordan pantsing Penny Hardaway was unsportsmanlike and a prank, too)

One happened before a game, when nobody could get hurt.

The other happened during a game, when someone could have been hurt.

There's no similarity other than that they were pranks.

 

[Denny Crane]

One happened before a game, when nobody could get hurt.

The other happened during a game, when someone could have been hurt.

There's no similarity other than that they were pranks.

So one can be unsportsmanlike not during a game and it's not unsportsmanlike? Doesn't make any sense, Nate.

 

[BBert]

Don't fall for it Nate. You're such a fish sometimes.

He's got to be smarter than this. The next logical conclusion is that he is trolling you.

 

[Denny Crane]

Not trolling.

He's making a judgment about what is acceptable and what is not when it comes to pranks, and way overplaying any risk of injury. If Smith wanted to injure someone, he'd do it via a hard foul or throw a punch or some other outright dirty play.

I personally see it as a harmless prank, but I don't find it to be all that funny. It makes Smith look like an odd bird.

Off the court, coaches have certainly been fined for unsportsmanlike activities, like talking shit about the refs.

 

[Natebishop3]

So one can be unsportsmanlike not during a game and it's not unsportsmanlike? Doesn't make any sense, Nate.

I don't care if it was sportsmanlike. I'm talking about the safety of when the prank was carried out. One could have directly led to a player hurting himself during a game, the other could not. Simple bright line. One was during an actual game and the other was before an All-Star game.

I think you would have to find another example of a prank that occurred during a game and was not punished.

 

[Denny Crane]

Here's something that'll outrage you.

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[Blazer Fanatic]

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Harmless pranks have never led to serious injury or death... like never... ever. If only all pranks, or crime for that matter, were judged only on the basis of the result. No dead body? No injury? Move along, nothing to see here. I still can't understand why that whole "pulling pistols on each other" by teammates of the team formerly known at the Washington Bullets was such a big deal.

[ /sarcasm font ]

 

[Natebishop3]

Here's something that'll outrage you.

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As someone who had that happen to them, it's not a laughing matter. I hit my head really hard on the chair when it was pulled out from under me by a friend.

But, this is different because:

A) They're on the same team

B) Once again, not on the court. Not during play.

You really don't see the difference?

 

[Boob-No-More]

So one can be unsportsmanlike not during a game and it's not unsportsmanlike? Doesn't make any sense, Nate.

You are jumping to the incorrect conclusion that all pranks are unsportsmanlike. They are not.

What Smith did was unsportsmanlike for two reasons:

He was seeking to gain an unfair competitive advantage. Untying Marion's shoe could cause him to be distracted and not get a rebound on a missed FT. Or worse, his shoe could come off, which would negatively impact the quality of his play.

He put another player at unnecessary risk of injury. I know you downplay this risk, but it is a risk and if you do shit like this repeatedly the odds will eventually catch up with you. So, the NBA is right to fine Smith to send the message to him and other players that putting other players at unnecessary risk of injury is unacceptable.

The prank Jordan pulled was childish, the sort of thing most guys outgrow by sophomore year of high school, but not unsportsmanlike. It didn't not create a potential unfair competitive advantage and it did not put anyone at risk of injury.

Do you honestly not see the differences in these two situations?

BNM