OT - Kahn trying to be KP

[RickyRubio]

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/59859/20090616/kahn_looking_to_make_big_splash_in_draft/

How cute. He is trying to be like KP. But this is not the draft to do that in!

He wants to trade Love to the Grizz for the 2nd pick to draft Rubio, while keeping the 6th pick and getting someone else.

Not a bad idea if you want to rebuild. They SHOULD draft Thabeet with 2 and hope Rubio falls to 6. There are also a lot of other serviceable PGs they can get besides Rubio. That way they have an actual 5 and not a 4 playing 5.

Rubio (or other PG)
Foye
Miller
Jefferson
Thabeet

Not a bad lineup to build around.

 

[Wheels]

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/59859/20090616/kahn_looking_to_make_big_splash_in_draft/

How cute. He is trying to be like KP. But this is not the draft to do that in!
He wants to trade Love to the Grizz for the 2nd pick to draft Rubio, while keeping the 6th pick and getting someone else.

Not a bad idea if you want to rebuild. They SHOULD draft Thabeet with 2 and hope Rubio falls to 6. There are also a lot of other serviceable PGs they can get besides Rubio. That way they have an actual 5 and not a 4 playing 5.

Rubio (or other PG)
Foye
Miller
Jefferson
Thabeet

Not a bad lineup to build around.

Kinda like the draft wasnt a good draft in 06. yet KP did pretty good.
Seriously.. since its a weak draft.. you think that a GM shouldnt try and improve his team?

 

[Nikolokolus]

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/59859/20090616/kahn_looking_to_make_big_splash_in_draft/

How cute. He is trying to be like KP. But this is not the draft to do that in!

He wants to trade Love to the Grizz for the 2nd pick to draft Rubio, while keeping the 6th pick and getting someone else.

Not a bad idea if you want to rebuild. They SHOULD draft Thabeet with 2 and hope Rubio falls to 6. There are also a lot of other serviceable PGs they can get besides Rubio. That way they have an actual 5 and not a 4 playing 5.

Rubio (or other PG)
Foye
Miller
Jefferson
Thabeet

Not a bad lineup to build around.

Explain to me how that's not doing it right? Jefferson is a natural power forward, Memphis needs a 4 badly and love would fill that need, and thabeet paired up with Jefferson with a great point guard prospect would make Minny a well balanced roster and probably a playoff team in 2 or 3 years. If Kahn pulls this off then he's prosecuting the KP/Presti/Spurs model to perfection.

 

[hasoos]

Kinda like the draft wasnt a good draft in 06. yet KP did pretty good.
Seriously.. since its a weak draft.. you think that a GM shouldnt try and improve his team?

IMO 2006 was a much better draft. Comon with players like Rudy Gay sliding to #10? This isn't even close. I don't even think Blake Griffin would have gone top 3 that year.

 

[RickyRubio]

Nik - Where did I say it was not right to do what he is doing? KP is a great GM to model yourself after. You are just assuming that I am implying it is not right.

Wheeler - Love you man. You know a GM should always try to improve his team. Again, I am not saying that this is a bad idea. My cynicism must be too much. I know you don't like me but chillax man!

 

[RickyRubio]

Not a bad idea if you want to rebuild.

Explain to me how that's not doing it right? Jefferson is a natural power forward, Memphis needs a 4 badly and love would fill that need, and thabeet paired up with Jefferson with a great point guard prospect would make Minny a well balanced roster and probably a playoff team in 2 or 3 years. If Kahn pulls this off then he's prosecuting the KP/Presti/Spurs model to perfection.

Man I even wrote not a bad idea lol

 

[Wheels]

IMO 2006 was a much better draft. Comon with players like Rudy Gay sliding to #10? This isn't even close. I don't even think Blake Griffin would have gone top 3 that year.

point is it was considered a weak draft.. and KP did pretty well. and wouldnt go top 3 in the draft? LOL Bargnani and Morrison were 2 of the top 3 pics. you amaze me.

 

[andalusian]

IMO 2006 was a much better draft. Comon with players like Rudy Gay sliding to #10? This isn't even close. I don't even think Blake Griffin would have gone top 3 that year.

Rudy Gay went #8.

 

[Wheels]

Rudy Gay went #8.

and Morrison and Bargnani would go before Blake Griffin in a draft to this guy too.

 

[Wheels]

Wheeler - Love you man. You know a GM should always try to improve his team. Again, I am not saying that this is a bad idea. My cynicism must be too much. I know you don't like me but chillax man!

This has nothing to do with personal dislike or anything.. it has to do with me disagreeing with your thoughts. Your idiotic remarks from yesterday bear nothing on this thread.

 

[andalusian]

and Morrison and Bargnani would go before Blake Griffin in a draft to this guy too.

To be fair - the 2006 draft + Griffin should probably look like:

Roy, LMA, Rondo - or Roy, Rondo, LMA - before Griffin is taken...

 

[Wheels]

To be fair - the 2006 draft + Griffin should probably look like:

Roy, LMA, Rondo - or Roy, Rondo, LMA - before Griffin is taken...

Yeah looking at it today. But that could easily change depending on how Griffin pans out. He said that Griffin wouldnt go top 3 in that draft. The top 3 was weak.

 

[Mediocre Man]

To me Kahn is doing it the right way. Bad teams build through the draft and then get out of it as quickly as possible. Portland went 06', 07' and 08'. Bad teams like the Clippers draft in the lottery every year. If the draft is weak, like this supposedly is, then as a GM of a bad team you have to make the most out of it like KP did back in 06'. If you have two players like Thabeet and Rubio for example that you think will be the best out of the class then you go get them and hope it gets you at worse to the end of the lottery next year, and then to the playoffs the following year.

Thabeet
Jefferson
Foye
Rubio

That is a nice young core to build upon. IMO everyone else is trade bait.

 

[hasoos]

point is it was considered a weak draft.. and KP did pretty well. and wouldnt go top 3 in the draft? LOL Bargnani and Morrison were 2 of the top 3 pics. you amaze me.

Yea, but lets face it, the Bargiani pick that was due to a poor evaluation or lack thereof, of the talent. There have been several times (Skitavilli comes to mind) where NBA teams have rolled the dice on an unknown talent from Europe, and ended up on the short end of the stick.

Morrison on the other hand. MJ would have to tell you why they did that one. I have no idea. There are always these guys that can dominate in college but just don't have the speed for the NBA. Danny Ferry was that way too.

I guess you can look at it from the up above points, that the draft wasn't deep, but just badly executed by teams scouting. Guys who slid, simply should not have.

 

[Wheels]

Yea, but lets face it, the Bargiani pick that was due to a poor evaluation or lack thereof, of the talent. There have been several times (Skitavilli comes to mind) where NBA teams have rolled the dice on an unknown talent from Europe, and ended up on the short end of the stick.

Morrison on the other hand. MJ would have to tell you why they did that one. I have no idea. There are always these guys that can dominate in college but just don't have the speed for the NBA. Danny Ferry was that way too.

I guess you can look at it from the up above points, that the draft wasn't deep, but just badly executed by teams scouting. Guys who slid, simply should not have.

I agree on those points.. a lot of it was scouting.. but also that bad scouting could be done if Griffin was in the draft that year too. He said if in that draft Griffin wouldnt have gone top 3.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Nik - Where did I say it was not right to do what he is doing? KP is a great GM to model yourself after. You are just assuming that I am implying it is not right.

Wheeler - Love you man. You know a GM should always try to improve his team. Again, I am not saying that this is a bad idea. My cynicism must be too much. I know you don't like me but chillax man!

You said it wasn't the draft to do it in ... I took that to mean it was not a good idea.

 

[hasoos]

I agree on those points.. a lot of it was scouting.. but also that bad scouting could be done if Griffin was in the draft that year too. He said if in that draft Griffin wouldnt have gone top 3.

And I stand by that. I think with the college players that year he would have paled in comparison. Part of why he stood out this year was because the competition was so weak.

 

[Wheels]

And I stand by that. I think with the college players that year he would have paled in comparison. Part of why he stood out this year was because the competition was so weak.

fair enough.. we can agree to disagree.

 

[Cake]

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/59859/20090616/kahn_looking_to_make_big_splash_in_draft/

How cute. He is trying to be like KP. But this is not the draft to do that in!

He wants to trade Love to the Grizz for the 2nd pick to draft Rubio, while keeping the 6th pick and getting someone else.

Not a bad idea if you want to rebuild. They SHOULD draft Thabeet with 2 and hope Rubio falls to 6. There are also a lot of other serviceable PGs they can get besides Rubio. That way they have an actual 5 and not a 4 playing 5.

A better idea is to keep Love, who has proven he's going to be a stud and is already better than Thabeet will ever be. With the 6th pick, there are plenty of solid point guards available.

Thabeet will be a bust. Guaranteed. And I've never been wrong about a prospect. Just ask me.

 

[RickyRubio]

You said it wasn't the draft to do it in ... I took that to mean it was not a good idea.

It's really not though!!! Is it? Unless you need a PG!!!!!1 There really aren't any good big bodies out there except Griffin and Thabeet!

I dunno, my bad. Didn't mean to rub you off the wrong way.



*chuckles*

 

[EPIC FAIL GILDERHUS]

IMO 2006 was a much better draft. Comon with players like Rudy Gay sliding to #10? This isn't even close. I don't even think Blake Griffin would have gone top 3 that year.

Gotta disagree with your assesment of the 06 draft:
1 Andrea Bargnani F Italy Toronto Raptors Benetton Treviso (Italy) 1985
2 LaMarcus Aldridge F United States Chicago Bulls (from New York, traded to Portland)[o][a] Texas So.
3 Adam Morrison F United States Charlotte Bobcats Gonzaga Jr.
4 Tyrus Thomas F United States Portland Trail Blazers (traded to Chicago)[a] LSU Fr.
5 Shelden Williams F United States Atlanta Hawks Duke Sr.
6 Brandon Roy G United States Minnesota Timberwolves (traded to Portland) Washington Sr.
7 Randy Foye G United States Boston Celtics (traded to Minnesota via Portland) Villanova Sr.
8 Rudy Gay F United States Houston Rockets (traded to Memphis)[c] Connecticut So.
9 Patrick O'Bryant C United States Golden State Warriors Bradley So.
10 Mouhamed Sene F Senegal Seattle SuperSonics Verviers-Pepinster (Belgium) 1986
11 J. J. Redick G United States Orlando Magic Duke Sr.
12 Hilton Armstrong C United States New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets Connecticut Sr.
13 Thabo Sefolosha G Switzerland Philadelphia 76ers (traded to Chicago)[d] Angelico Biella (Italy) 1984
14 Ronnie Brewer G United States Utah Jazz Arkansas Jr.

Aside from LA, Roy, Foye, and Gay, everyone in that lotto is either a bit player, scrub or out of the league totally. Not saying that 09 is a great draft by any means. But 06 wasn't that great either...although there were some good/decent players taken later on: Rajon Rondo for instance.

 

[RickyRubio]

Gotta disagree with your assesment of the 06 draft:
1 Andrea Bargnani F Italy Toronto Raptors Benetton Treviso (Italy) 1985
2 LaMarcus Aldridge F United States Chicago Bulls (from New York, traded to Portland)[o][a] Texas So.
3 Adam Morrison F United States Charlotte Bobcats Gonzaga Jr.
4 Tyrus Thomas F United States Portland Trail Blazers (traded to Chicago)[a] LSU Fr.
5 Shelden Williams F United States Atlanta Hawks Duke Sr.
6 Brandon Roy G United States Minnesota Timberwolves (traded to Portland) Washington Sr.
7 Randy Foye G United States Boston Celtics (traded to Minnesota via Portland) Villanova Sr.
8 Rudy Gay F United States Houston Rockets (traded to Memphis)[c] Connecticut So.
9 Patrick O'Bryant C United States Golden State Warriors Bradley So.
10 Mouhamed Sene F Senegal Seattle SuperSonics Verviers-Pepinster (Belgium) 1986
11 J. J. Redick G United States Orlando Magic Duke Sr.
12 Hilton Armstrong C United States New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets Connecticut Sr.
13 Thabo Sefolosha G Switzerland Philadelphia 76ers (traded to Chicago)[d] Angelico Biella (Italy) 1984
14 Ronnie Brewer G United States Utah Jazz Arkansas Jr.

Aside from LA, Roy, Foye, and Gay, everyone in that lotto is either a bit player, scrub or out of the league totally. Not saying that 09 is a great draft by any means. But 06 wasn't that great either...although there were some good/decent players taken later on: Rajon Rondo for instance.

Brewer is a decent player!

 

[Nikolokolus]

It's really not though!!! Is it? Unless you need a PG!!!!!1 There really aren't any good big bodies out there except Griffin and Thabeet!

I dunno, my bad. Didn't mean to rub you off the wrong way.



*chuckles*

But that was my whole point. Minny desperately needs a point guard and if they could also snag Thabeet in the process they'd have a very balanced roster with an already established, budding superstar power forward in Jefferson.

Rubio
Foye
Miller?
Jefferson
Thabeet

That's a pretty decent starting five in a few more years, even though I tend to think Thabeet probably won't be anything more than Theo Ratliff 2.0 or Maybe Samuel Dalambert as a best case scenario -- but in any case, good enough to pair up with Al Jefferson.