Zombie OT (Kind of): Tanking doesn't work

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blazerboy30 said:
Are you referring to something else or did you get that out of this freakanomics article? I admit there are a lot of stats being misused there, but I didn't see anything to support the idea that "thanking increases your opportunities for future success".
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More ping pong balls = higher draft pick = more choice of who you want to draft
 
The draft is the only real chance for a team like the Blazers to get a superstar in their prime.

Getting someone like Pippen was great, but at the point when we got him he was only a borderline All-Star, if that.
 
Fuck tanking. You can only do it for one season...MAYBE two, not every year like most teams do. The thing is any particular year you'll have 5-7 teams tanking for a top 3 pick, of which maybe one of them will be a star. Its a crapshoot. Then people get addicted to it. OH, we tanked for one borderline star...let's do it again!

True franchise players come MAYBE once every 3 years and even then your chance at getting one is pretty low compared to the shit you'll have to endure via tanking.


In the scheme of things, you should just have a GM that swings for the fences. Get big contracts and deal with the shit later.
 
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Mediocre Man said:
They won 34 games and had 3 draft picks the year before they traded for Harden.

Also, Houston is a large market team that has an incredible tax break for athletes.

I guess the next time Portland attracts the best center in the league to it's team via free agency, Houston and Portland will be on par.
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34 wins is Hell right? They got pick 14 they wasted on Marcus morris. The only rookie they took that did anything was Chandler Parsons.

Then they traded for James harden. Had to blow cap space on Omer asik and Jeremy lin.

Did they get lucky signing Dwight? Absolutely. Would Portland get to sign Dwight? Unlikely.

But the fact remains Houston did not tank whatsoever.

You don't have to tank to become good.

We got hibbert to be willing to sign with us. Brook Lopez too. Yes they were rfa, but if we had a winning team along with space or pieces to sign and trade when similiar guys are ufa, I don't see why they wouldn't sign with us
 
Mediocre Man said:
Miami is THE top team in the league and they DID tank. So did the Bulls, Clippers, Spurs, OKC The other top teams in the league
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When the Bulls got Rose, what exactly did they specifically do from the year prior to tank? Who did they dump off of their 49 win team from the previous year to facilitate their tank? They had as many wins their tank year to land Rose as we did last season. What they also had was an incredible amount of LUCK to jump from 9th to win the lottery. They didn't dump an all star off of their roster like many here want us to, as the only way to win. Let's not try to re-write history and say because they landed a superstar at number 1, that they intentionally tanked there season to get there. That's just incorrect.

Also, while the CLippers tanked, for years, they'd still probably be just an ok team if they didn't trade for Paul. SA had an injury to a superstar cost them their season. Bit different.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Okay, but Pippen was in the twilight of his career at that point. He just wanted to play for a winner. The whole point of tanking is to get a superstar in their prime. Not a former superstar towards the end of their career.
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Houston didn't tank and they were able to deal for harden. Indy didn't tank and they got paul george
 
Are Miami and Houston huge markets? They got LeBron and Dwight. If we had enough space to sign the big three in 2010, they would've played for us. They didn't care where they played. They wanted to play together.
 
We have the richest owner in the NBA son. You don't sell the steak, you sell the sizzle.
 
KingSpeed said:
Are Miami and Houston huge markets? They got LeBron and Dwight. If we had enough space to sign the big three in 2010, they would've played for us. They didn't care where they played. They wanted to play together.
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Houston is the #6 media market in the country, Miami is #11. Yes, they both qualify as "large" markets.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Houston is the #6 media market in the country, Miami is #11. Yes, they both qualify as "large" markets.
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Only 11? That's not a top market. They signed because they wanted to play together. If he wanted a big market, he could've gone to New York.
 
There's no real evidence of teams winning titles with superstars they tanked to get.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Houston didn't tank and they were able to deal for harden. Indy didn't tank and they got paul george
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Harden wasn't a superstar until he got to Houston. The Thunder got straight up jacked for Harden. Horrible move by Presti, but there's a problem with your comparison:

#1 Houston is a much much bigger market than Portland.

#2 My point from the beginning has been that small market teams either have to draft a superstar, or trade for them, and trading for one won't work unless they want to play for your team (IE Chris Paul).

Have you heard a superstar player, in their prime, talking about wanting to play for the Blazers?
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Link?
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http://www.arbitron.com/home/mm001050.asp

KingSpeed said:
Only 11? That's not a top market. They signed because they wanted to play together. If he wanted a big market, he could've gone to New York.
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New York couldn't get all 3. Nobody said Miami was LA, but as compared to other markets, they are large enough to have an NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL team, as well as a major D-1 university. How many other metropolitan areas can boast that?
 
You guys make interesting points but why are we having this conversation? It's monotonous and boring. We have the team we have. Its a pretty great roster. Lillard is primed for stardom. We're trying to win. Now let's get behind them and cheer them on.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Have you heard a superstar player, in their prime, talking about wanting to play for the Blazers?
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We were on Chris Paul's short list when he was wanting to be traded. Happened because we had a young star he envisioned playing alongside in Roy, and to a lesser extent at the time, Aldridge. I can see something similar with Lillard. Same way I can see someone being interested in playing alongside Irving in Cleveland.

As a whole, I agree, people aren't going to clamor to come here.
 
Nothing new is being said in this thread. Let's leave it alone. That's my last post in this thread. I won't open it again. Peace. Go Blazers.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Harden wasn't a superstar until he got to Houston. The Thunder got straight up jacked for Harden. Horrible move by Presti, but there's a problem with your comparison:

#1 Houston is a much much bigger market than Portland.

#2 My point from the beginning has been that small market teams either have to draft a superstar, or trade for them, and trading for one won't work unless they want to play for your team (IE Chris Paul).

Have you heard a superstar player, in their prime, talking about wanting to play for the Blazers?
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Charles Barkley did.
 
KingSpeed said:
You guys make interesting points but why are we having this conversation? It's monotonous and boring. We have the team we have. Its a pretty great roster. Lillard is primed for stardom. We're trying to win. Now let's get behind them and cheer them on.
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A lucid post. I concur.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Charles Barkley did.
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How long ago was that? Twenty years? The game has changed. The business has changed. The players have changed. I'm talking about recently. RR7 mentioned Chris Paul, and he's right, I think Paul mentioned wanting to play with Roy.
 
Denny, can you improve the thread quality around here? This one's really boring.
 
Natebishop3 said:
How long ago was that? Twenty years? The game has changed. The business has changed. The players have changed. I'm talking about recently. RR7 mentioned Chris Paul, and he's right, I think Paul mentioned wanting to play with Roy.
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Roy hibbert was ready too
 
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