OT: LeBron to the Cavs

[PCmor7]

Conflicted: do I want LeBron to Cavs enough to trump the inevitable Bosh to Houston that will result?

Bosh to Houston concerns me more than Carmelo to Houston. Houston is better either way, but the potential meltdown with two volume shooters on the perimeter and a prone-to-sulking big man turning into just their rebounder seems like it would have a decent probability to blow up in the Rockets face if they would have gone all in to get Anthony. Bosh fits in really well as the third fiddle with Harden and Howard. He's content to be the third guy, can play interior defense but doesn't clog the middle on the offensive side, nice all-around player with a good temperament. With Harden and Howard, what Bosh would bring in terms of demeanor might be nearly as important as what he brings on the court.

 

[tester551]

Bosh to Houston concerns me more than Carmelo to Houston. Houston is better either way, but the potential meltdown with two volume shooters on the perimeter and a prone-to-sulking big man turning into just their rebounder seems like it would have a decent probability to blow up in the Rockets face if they would have gone all in to get Anthony. Bosh fits in really well as the third fiddle with Harden and Howard. He's content to be the third guy, can play interior defense but doesn't clog the middle on the offensive side, nice all-around player with a good temperament. With Harden and Howard, what Bosh would bring in terms of demeanor might be nearly as important as what he brings on the court.

Don't forget in this scenario, they can also still resign Parsons.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Don't forget in this scenario, they can also still resign Parsons.

Doubt they would. Dallas seems ready to offer Parsons a big deal.

If they get bosh, I think they win a title. Just not in the next couple years.

They will have lost lin, asik, Parsons and maybe Jones.

Beverly, harden, ??, bosh, Howard is good, but who will they have on the bench will determine if they win. They'd only have minimum deals and the room exception to work with

 

[magnifier661]

Doubt they would. Dallas seems ready to offer Parsons a big deal.

If they get bosh, I think they win a title. Just not in the next couple years.

They will have lost lin, asik, Parsons and maybe Jones.

Beverly, harden, ??, bosh, Howard is good, but who will they have on the bench will determine if they win. They'd only have minimum deals and the room exception to work with

They still have a bench. Not as good as last season, but definitely a better bench than what we had last season.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

They still have a bench. Not as good as last season, but definitely a better bench than what we had last season.

Who? They have motiejunas left, that's it

 

[magnifier661]

Who? They have motiejunas left, that's it

Don't they have jones, motiejunas, Daniels and Garcia still?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

one of the points of turning parsons into an RFA this season is so they will have enough cap room to bring someone in before they sign him. im 99% sure parsons is on board with the timeline, and isnt going to force moreys hand with a 12:01 offer sheet tonight, but i guess who knows anymore

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Don't they have jones, motiejunas, Daniels and Garcia still?

I mentioned they might trade Jones to sign bosh.

Garcia and Daniels are free agents getting attention from multiple teams

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

one of the points of turning parsons into an RFA this season is so they will have enough cap room to bring someone in before they sign him. im 99% sure parsons is on board with the timeline, and isnt going to force moreys hand with a 12:01 offer sheet tonight, but i guess who knows anymore

Do they want to resign him for 12 million per year or more on top of 20+Each to bosh, Howard, and harden?

 

[Minstrel]

Do they want to resign him for 12 million per year or more on top of 20+Each to bosh, Howard, and harden?

I don't think he'll get more than $12 million, but the expectation was that he'd break $10 million and they set up this RFA situation for precisely this scenario: bringing in another max guy and then re-signing him to that market deal.

Sure, if some team decides to go nuts and offer him $15 million a season, maybe Houston backs away slowly. I don't see that happening, though. $10-12 million is probably his market and probably Houston's expectations.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

it depends what they are going to have to give up to philly or whomever tto take lins deal, but im guessing their #1 pick (capella), motiejunas, and a future #1

that leaves them with

beverly
harden
parsons
bosh
dho

jones
umm caspi? that dude mo started beef with?

thin bench for sure but a great starting unit

 

[magnifier661]

Do they want to resign him for 12 million per year or more on top of 20+Each to bosh, Howard, and harden?

I guess that depends on what they want to accomplish. Yes adding a 12 mil per player is gonna be a hit, but why not? I mean if you have an opportunity to get to the next level, you do it easily.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Do they want to resign him for 12 million per year or more on top of 20+Each to bosh, Howard, and harden?

im sure i have no idea about their willingness to go over the tax line and whatnot, but with parsons QO being so low, i appeared to me at least that this was their plan, to use cap space to sign a star, then bring back parsons after. like i said, who knows, but this is the most obvious scenario IMO

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

I guess that depends on what they want to accomplish. Yes adding a 12 mil per player is gonna be a hit, but why not? I mean if you have an opportunity to get to the next level, you do it easily.

All four of those guys would have substantial raises. And Beverly is gonna get paid soon.

I just don't see the financials working out, unless they want to pay a pretty penny of tax money

 

[Minstrel]

that leaves them with

beverly
harden
parsons
bosh
dho

jones
umm caspi? that dude mo started beef with?

thin bench for sure but a great starting unit

The problem is they have no point guard. Beverley is many things, but a point guard isn't remotely one of them. Unless the idea is that Harden will be the main facilitator, they're going to have to solve that problem. Harden does have decent passing skills, but his decision-making seemed to regress last year, observationally.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

The problem is they have no point guard. Beverley is many things, but a point guard isn't remotely one of them. Unless the idea is that Harden will be the main facilitator, they're going to have to solve that problem. Harden does have decent passing skills, but his decision-making seemed to regress last year, observationally.

not even sure i like them coming out of the west, just was pointing out that they could very likely keep parsons and jones in a scenario where they sign bosh outright

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

In a year that Hayward signs a max deal, it would not surprise me in the least if Parsons signs for max money too.

Some people think he is better than batum, and due to inflation on these deals, 12 is the lowest amount I see him starting at

 

[3RA1N1AC]

I just don't see the financials working out, unless they want to pay a pretty penny of tax money

that is indeed the crux of it, if i had to bet though, i would say that their plan thus far has been to acquire high level talent via trades and FA in order to win a championship... to trade or sign 3 MAX level players and then pull the plug on additional salary seems to be handcuffing themselves right as their multi year year plan is coming to fruition. i would say they would be willing to at least sign chandler this year and then deal with tough decisions as they come in the future

 

[Minstrel]

not even sure i like them coming out of the west, just was pointing out that they could very likely keep parsons and jones in a scenario where they sign bosh outright

I think they have a solid chance against the likes of the Spurs and Thunder if they can also wrangle a competent point guard. Bosh fits perfectly with Howard, as he's converted his game to stretch power forward, and he helps Houston's offense and defense. It's a very strong threesome with some decent players around them. But without a proper facilitator, I could see their offense bogging down.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

I think they have a solid chance against the likes of the Spurs and Thunder if they can also wrangle a competent point guard. Bosh fits perfectly with Howard, as he's converted his game to stretch power forward, and he helps Houston's offense and defense. It's a very strong threesome with some decent players around them. But without a proper facilitator, I could see their offense bogging down.

I also think Dwight could ruin everything by being a whiner about touches.

 

[RR7]

The problem is they have no point guard. Beverley is many things, but a point guard isn't remotely one of them. Unless the idea is that Harden will be the main facilitator, they're going to have to solve that problem. Harden does have decent passing skills, but his decision-making seemed to regress last year, observationally.

I think they'd be just fine with Beverly, with harden and bosh's ability to initiate offense and ability to run offense through Dwight. Don't need a true point.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I also think Dwight could ruin everything by being a whiner about touches.

I'm sure ownership will give him first access to the Junior Rockets Dancers to keep quiet about his basketball woes.

 

[KingSpeed]

Don't forget about that Daniels kid who hit a game winner against us

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Don't forget about that Daniels kid who hit a game winner against us

The one who proved Mo can't defense a wet paper bag?

 

[KeepOnRollin]

The one who proved Mo can't defense a wet paper bag?

We know Mo is not a good defender but look at the kid's numbers after Mo mouthed off.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

How the hell would LeBron play for Gilbert after The Letter?

By taking his money.

 

[PDXFonz]

Re: OT: LaBron to the Cavs

Yeah the more I think about Bosh in Houston, the more I hate it.

But what it all boils down to is they still won't play defense. Bosh will make them better but we can beat them as long as we are better defenders. Which we should be...

 

[Minstrel]

Re: OT: LaBron to the Cavs

But what it all boils down to is they still won't play defense. Bosh will make them better but we can beat them as long as we are better defenders. Which we should be...

Howard and Beverley are both excellent defenders and Bosh is a good one. Houston was a significantly better defensive team than Portland last season during the regular season. I wouldn't take the playoff series as evidence that they suck at defense...IMO, it was more Portland playing blazingly good offense in that series. Harden has become essentially worthless on the defensive end but, especially if they bring back Parsons in addition to signing Bosh, I'd expect Houston to be a pretty good defensive team overall.

Portland really hasn't upped their defensive level much. Kaman has good and bad years, defensively, but as a reserve he's unlikely to hugely impact the team's defense.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Re: OT: LaBron to the Cavs

But what it all boils down to is they still won't play defense. Bosh will make them better but we can beat them as long as we are better defenders. Which we should be...

Not sure where this is coming from? HOU is as good or better then us at D (might not be saying much) and Bosh is good himself. He is going to make them better. I pray, for some reason, they get Melo instead.

 

[PDXFonz]

Re: OT: LaBron to the Cavs

Howard and Beverley are both excellent defenders and Bosh is a good one. Houston was a significantly better defensive team than Portland last season during the regular season. I wouldn't take the playoff series as evidence that they suck at defense...IMO, it was more Portland playing blazingly good offense in that series. Harden has become essentially worthless on the defensive end but, especially if they bring back Parsons in addition to signing Bosh, I'd expect Houston to be a pretty good defensive team overall.

Portland really hasn't upped their defensive level much. Kaman has good and bad years, defensively, but as a reserve he's unlikely to hugely impact the team's defense.

I think Houston's lack off success has to do with putting too much on harden. Yes pat bev and Howard offer good defense, but they can't match vs portland with harden being as bad a defender as he is.

There's also no way they can keep parsons if they get bosh. They would be smart to let parsons walk imo, I don't think he's worth a max contract, and he will get one.

I just wasn't to know why no one has offered it to him yet...