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e_blazer said:
Yeah, but do they have enough room if they have to match what Dallas is offering him?
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If they have to match first, they cannot sign bosh. They need to sign bosh first, then match the offer.
 
magnifier661 said:
If they have to match first, they cannot sign bosh. They need to sign bosh first, then match the offer.
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Not really. Parsons' signing doesn't have a thing to do with the Rockets having cap space for Bosh. Parsons has a very low cap-hold, so it was smart of Morey to extend RFA status to Parsons. It cleared up a bunch of cap space to sign Bosh, and also to bring back a 2nd-round pick. Houston will match the offer for Parsons, whether or not Bosh signs first or last.
 
NewsSource said:
Not really. Parsons' signing doesn't have a thing to do with the Rockets having cap space for Bosh. Parsons has a very low cap-hold, so it was smart of Morey to extend RFA status to Parsons. It cleared up a bunch of cap space to sign Bosh, and also to bring back a 2nd-round pick. Houston will match the offer for Parsons, whether or not Bosh signs first or last.
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Not sure you're right there, NS. If the Rockets have to match and sign Parsons first, I think his actual salary goes on their books and his cap hold goes away.
 
magnifier661 said:
David Aldridge said they had enough cap room to offer what they offered to Bosh, with parsons cap hold.
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I don't see how. They dumped Asik, but he was only $8M of cap, and Parsons' is 2x his salary or $1.7M of that back.

It seems like they have $7M, maybe, to offer Bosh. If they can give away Lin for nothing, they're at ~$15M. There's no guaranty of that, tho.
 
NewsSource said:
Not really. Parsons' signing doesn't have a thing to do with the Rockets having cap space for Bosh. Parsons has a very low cap-hold, so it was smart of Morey to extend RFA status to Parsons. It cleared up a bunch of cap space to sign Bosh, and also to bring back a 2nd-round pick. Houston will match the offer for Parsons, whether or not Bosh signs first or last.
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well, not exactly. if they match parsons first, they wouldnt have the cap room to sign bosh to a max offer
 
Denny Crane said:
I don't see how. They dumped Asik, but he was only $8M of cap, and Parsons' is 2x his salary or $1.7M of that back.

It seems like they have $7M, maybe, to offer Bosh. If they can give away Lin for nothing, they're at ~$15M. There's no guaranty of that, tho.
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Aren't they planning on trading Lin/Jones/etc for Bosh?
 
Denny Crane said:
I don't see how. They dumped Asik, but he was only $8M of cap, and Parsons' is 2x his salary or $1.7M of that back.

It seems like they have $7M, maybe, to offer Bosh. If they can give away Lin for nothing, they're at ~$15M. There's no guaranty of that, tho.
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i think they already have a lin deal lined up is the conjecture, after that all they need to do is waive the non guaranteed guys and maybe find a home for motejeunas and they look to have the room for a 20MM max offer
 
NewsSource said:
Not really. Parsons' signing doesn't have a thing to do with the Rockets having cap space for Bosh. Parsons has a very low cap-hold, so it was smart of Morey to extend RFA status to Parsons. It cleared up a bunch of cap space to sign Bosh, and also to bring back a 2nd-round pick. Houston will match the offer for Parsons, whether or not Bosh signs first or last.
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No what Aldridge was saying is they can have bosh sign, then it doesn't matter about matching parsons offer sheet.
 
So next year it looks like the salaries are approx:

Dwight Howard: $21m
James Harden: $15m
Chandler Parsons: $15m
Chris Bosh: about $22m?

So that's around 73 million for 4 guys, and what's the salary cap this year? I almost want them to invest that much into these 4 guys. I don't see a Kobe or Lebron among them. I see this not working. I think they'd be a good regular season team, but not much else.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
i think they already have a lin deal lined up is the conjecture, after that all they need to do is waive the non guaranteed guys and maybe find a home for motejeunas and they look to have the room for a 20MM max offer
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I'm not sure Omer+Lin+Montejeunas is close to the $20M+ they need to get him his MAX contract per report.
 
noknobs said:
So next year it looks like the salaries are approx:

Dwight Howard: $21m
James Harden: $15m
Chandler Parsons: $15m
Chris Bosh: about $22m?

So that's around 73 million for 4 guys, and what's the salary cap this year? I almost want them to invest that much into these 4 guys. I don't see a Kobe or Lebron among them. I see this not working. I think they'd be a good regular season team, but not much else.
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$63.065M.
 
Denny Crane said:
I'm not sure Omer+Lin+Montejeunas is close to the $20M+ they need to get him his MAX contract per report.
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I never knew they had the space either. It seems David Aldridge is 100% sure they have cap room. I'm basically taking his word for it
 
magnifier661 said:
I never knew they had the space either. It seems David Aldridge is 100% sure they have cap room. I'm basically taking his word for it
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I saw him say a lot of wrong things on draft night.

They're going to let Parsons walk, I think.
 
Denny Crane said:
I'm not sure Omer+Lin+Montejeunas is close to the $20M+ they need to get him his MAX contract per report.
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seems to almost add up to working in my head

dho 21.4
harden 14.7
jones 1.6
beverly .9
Isaiah Canaan .8
parsons cap hold (250% or 300% of last years salary?) so 2.25 or 2.7 ish?
i think there are roster spot cap holds of the minimum slaray as well up to 12 players...not sure how they would apply here though

thats around 42, im assuming they would deal jones/canaan if they needed to get lower though
 
3RA1N1AC said:
seems to almost add up to working in my head

dho 21.4
harden 14.7
jones 1.6
beverly .9
Isaiah Canaan .8
parsons cap hold (250% or 300% of last years salary?) so 2.25 or 2.7 ish?
i think there are roster spot cap holds of the minimum slaray as well up to 12 players...not sure how they would apply here though

thats around 42, im assuming they would deal jones/canaan if they needed to get lower though
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Sham has them at $61M without options. Subtract $16.6M for Asik and Lin. Add $1.75M for Parsons. Another $3.5M in cap holds to bring the roster to 13.

Looks like 49.65M to me, or $13.35M in cap space for Bosh.

That's not exercising every team option possible, including letting Beverly go. I don't see where they come up with another $6.5M.
 
Denny Crane said:
Sham has them at $61M without options. Subtract $16.6M for Asik and Lin. Add $1.75M for Parsons. Another $3.5M in cap holds to bring the roster to 13.

Looks like 49.65M to me, or $13.35M in cap space for Bosh.

That's not exercising every team option possible, including letting Beverly go. I don't see where they come up with another $6.5M.
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garcia opted out right?
covvington is only guaranteed 150k
caspi can be waived before 8/5 for nothing

i did the math in my head though so i could be wrong
 
$61M for
Howard, Harden, Asik, Lin, Jones, Motiejunas, and Canaan.

He has $67M for

Total salary inc. cap holds, without options:$67,731,253(Total salary if all options are declined, including cap holds.)

$5.8M in cap holds. $67M - $5.8M = $61.2M.

Add $1.76M for Parsons, subtract $16.6M for Omer and Lin. Add back $1M for empty roster spots.

$47.36M. Roughly $15.7M in cap space. They need more than $20M to MAX Bosh.

Jones, Motiejunas, and Canaan for cap space gets them $1.5M more in holds and cuts $3.8M.

So $18M seems to be all they can do without dumping Parsons. That would get them to $19.26M to start.
 
If Miami would facilitate a S&T, there's no problem.
 
not sure about this sham sports, but like i said, garcia opting out, non guaranteed guys...not sure if thats in their totals

this is assuming they trade lin, motejeunas, and canaan for cap space

dho 21.4
harden 14.7
jones 1.6
beverly .9
parsons at what 1.76 you keep saying? thought it was more, around 300% of his previous year, so 2.7ish

thats 39.3ish, add 3.5 million for 7 500k minimum roster holds, thats 42.8, give or take
 
If Parsons signs a $15M offer with the Mavs, his cap hit for three days is $15M. Game over.

With that hold in place, they can't sign Bosh, period. If they match, they won't have the cap space as well.

They have to let Parsons walk to sign Bosh.
 
ill actually be kinda shocked if parsons signs the offer sheet at 12:01, it really seemed he was in on the whole plan. i guess all houston has to do is offer him the same thing though, and just have him not sign the dallas offer, and wait to sign the houston offer
 
3RA1N1AC said:
ill actually be kinda shocked if parsons signs the offer sheet at 12:01, it really seemed he was in on the whole plan. i guess all houston has to do is offer him the same thing though, and just have him not sign the dallas offer, and wait to sign the houston offer
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If he signs the Mavs' offer, he wants to play for the Mavs.

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story...rsons-dallas-mavericks-agree-deal-sources-say

The Dallas Mavericks and restricted free agent Chandler Parsons have agreed on a three-year deal worth in excess of $45 million, according to sources close to the process.

Sources told ESPN.com that Parsons will sign the offer sheet Thursday, after which the Houston Rockets will have three days to match the offer or lose Parsons.
 
What day is it? Thursday is tomorrow.
 
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