OT: LeBron will never be as good as MJ (MERGED)

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Re: OT: LeBron will never be as good as MJ

Mamba said:
Once his athleticism starts declining
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A sore point for somebody who takes the name "Mamba" I would've thought. How's that knee doing?

Hey, at least the Mavs didn't sweep the Heat, huh?
 
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Again: how many titles did Jordan win without Pippen (who was better than Wade) and Phil Jackson (who was probably the greatest coach of all time)? Jordan was clearly a better scorer than Lebron, probably greater than he'll ever be. But as a recent post on Truehoop showed, he wasn't a greater "clutch" scorer.

I think James' problem (if he has one) is that he's too much of a team player. Both Jordan and Kobe think they're the only player that matters, that the other players are, in Jordan's immortal phrase, their "supporting cast". James, on the other hand, followed his midget friend to a less popular high school because the friend wouldn't've made the team otherwise. Jordan and Bryant would never have thought of that, and if they had, their controlling fathers would have forbidden it.

The heat have been oversold: Bosh was never as good as he was made out to be (big stats on a bad team) and may be less valuable than either Horace Grant or Dennis Rodman. And the rest of that roster is pretty much garbage. James is deferring to Wade, who is an inferior player but more of a gunner. But they're both ball dominant. If Lebron ever had a team round him like Magic did (and how is it that Magic managed to be a "great" player without scoring hugely, when Lebron has to score like Jordan?), then we'd see.

James will be all right. This is like when Hakeem and Drexler swept the Shaq/Penny Magic. They were a team of destiny. Never mind that the Magic had just knocked Jordan out of the playoffs. Shaq went on to do all right.
 
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KingSpeed said:
his ability to score in big games is severely lacking.
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Tell that to the Celtics and the Bulls. Oh, I guess those weren't "big games". I bet the Bulls and the Celtics thought they were.
 
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Rastapopoulos said:
I think James' problem (if he has one) is that he's too much of a team player.
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I'm going to guess that you're joking with this one.

James #1 problem is that he has no mid range game. He's a pretty good player beyond the line and at the rim in an open court situation, but he lacks a game at the 12-18' range off the dribble or creating a shot for himself. But I suspect he will improve that aspect of his game and that Wade & Bosh will take him to several titles. Then, whether he fully deserves them or not, he'll get the props. A team so talented can't be denied several rings.
 
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[video=youtube;2bacMpv1BPs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bacMpv1BPs&feature=channel_video_title[/video]
 
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yuyuza1 said:
[video=youtube;2bacMpv1BPs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bacMpv1BPs&feature=channel_video_title[/video]
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if I didn't have a reason to dislike him before, I sure as fuck do now.
 
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BLAZER PROPHET said:
Pippen played on several championship level teams after MJ wasn't around.
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He had one championship-level supporting cast without Jordan and that was his first season in Portland when he was past his prime. He did not have a championship-level supporting cast in Chicago while Jordan was retired from basketball. He had one established good player in Horace Grant, one player he helped reach All-Star status but never got there before or after (Armstrong) and a bunch of mediocre players.

How many titles did he get?
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The same number as Jordan got without him.

He was a very good player, but take away MJ and his career would have been different
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He'd have fewer titles...Jordan's career would have been different in exactly the same way without him. Both players would still have been great Hall of Famers without the other. Pippen as one of the best all-around offensive players ever and one of the greatest defensive players ever is a top-tier Hall of Famer.
 
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Pippen was better than Wade? debatable....
 
"HEY LEBRON! HOW'S MY DIRK TASTE."

Dallas Mavericks guard DeShawn Stevenson let his T-shirt do the trash talking after his team took down the Miami Heat last night -- "HEY LEBRON! HOW'S MY DIRK TASTE."

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DeShawn made the fashion statement while celebrating in his hotel room after the game.

Of course, DeShawn was simply making a tweak to the greatest NBA Championship trash talking rap of all time -- when Shaq asked Kobe to, "Tell me how my ass tastes!!"

http://www.tmz.com/2011/06/13/lebro...tzki-tell-me-how-my-dirk-tastes-tshirt-photo/
 
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I. Want. That. Shirt.

Lol. Let the trash talk begin. Dallas was pretty damn reserved all post season long. I have no problems if they start a little trash talking.
 
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And it keeps getting better...

Governor Kasich: Mavericks are 'Honorary Ohioans'

Revenge for "The Decision" now bears an executive seal.

John Kasich, Governor of the state of Ohio, took the unusual step of honoring a team with no geographical ties to his jurisdiction. On Monday, one day after the Dallas Mavericks defeated the Miami Heat in the 2011 NBA Finals, Kasich's office released a press release noting that the governor had issued a resolution that declared that the Mavericks, their friends, family and fans are now officially "Honorary Ohioans."

Why would he do this? Retribution, of course.

The Heat were led by Ohio native former Cleveland Cavaliers star LeBron James, who opted to take his talents to South Beach last summer rather than return to play for the Cavaliers. In return, fans in Ohio booed him mercilessly during his two return visits to Cleveland and openly rooted for the Heat to get bounced from the playoffs.

The resolution specifically praises Dallas' "loyalty, integrity and teamwork" and specifically praises Mavericks forward Dirk Nowitzki for choosing to re-sign with the Mavericks last summer. Kasich's resolution bears the official seal of Ohio, bestows upon the Mavericks "all privileges and honors" that goes with the title "Honorary Ohioans" and is signed at the bottom.

You know who definitely finds this hilarious and awesome? Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert, who issued his own decree on Sunday night.

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http://eye-on-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/30005543
 
Re: OT: LeBron will never be as good as MJ

But, but, but . . . Rashard Lewis is sleeping with his girlfriend (supposedly). And last year it was LeDouche's Mommy sleeping with DeLonte (supposedly). And next time it'll be Spoelstra sleeping with his auntie. Poor LeBronze, there's just always so much off-court stuff going on that prevents him from truly being great.
 
Re: "HEY LEBRON! HOW'S MY DIRK TASTE."

I've never been happier for an NBA champion in my lifetime.

We're all Mavericks.
 
Re: "HEY LEBRON! HOW'S MY DIRK TASTE."

I agree, PapaG. If the Blazers weren't going to win, I wanted Dallas
 
Re: OT: LeBron will never be as good as MJ

...still waiting for HuevonKiller...
 
Re: "HEY LEBRON! HOW'S MY DIRK TASTE."

I would give my right nut to guarantee LeBitch never wins a ring.
 
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Mediocre Man said:
I agree, PapaG. If the Blazers weren't going to win, I wanted Dallas
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I'll add that I think I was happy in 1977, but I wasn't even in kindergarten when the Blazers won their title.
 
Re: "HEY LEBRON! HOW'S MY DIRK TASTE."

No wonder the Mavs won. Sarah Palin was rooting for them! :)
 
Re: James' scoring drop largest in NBA history

After the game I was listening to some national radio show and the host mentioned that there was a possession when Miami was down 8 in the 4th quarter where LeBron passed up an open shot 3 times during the possession. I couldn't remember the play, but he did look like he was playing a little scared last night.
 
Re: "HEY LEBRON! HOW'S MY DIRK TASTE."

I want that shirt!
 
Re: James' scoring drop largest in NBA history

Zybot said:
After the game I was listening to some national radio show and the host mentioned that there was a possession when Miami was down 8 in the 4th quarter where LeBron passed up an open shot 3 times during the possession. I couldn't remember the play, but he did look like he was playing a little scared last night.
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I remember that play. The Heat had like 5 open looks at a jumper and decided to repeatedly drive to the basket and pass out. Eventually led to a turnover.
 
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