OT: Nets, Nuggets, Charlotte, and Utah in serious Trade Talks

[THE HCP]

so in the future you are gonna have a husband?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Don't the Nets have near 15 mil in capspace? why do salaries have to match?

Not according to Trade Machine (and ShamSports). Don't forget that they blew a bunch of capspace in absorbing Troy Murphy's $12M (!!!) salary.

 

[BBert]

Sucks, if Anthony goes from a Western conference contender to East coast cellar dwellar all because Stern wants him to team up with Chris Paul in the big city.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[MickZagger]

so in the future you are gonna have a husband?

I'm not Kingspeed or FAMS.

I like poonani as much as the next guy.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

To answer my own challenge, this trade works, but I'm no longer sure why Utah would do it. (It also works if you throw in Augustin to NJ.)

 

[julius]

I'm not Kingspeed or FAMS.

I like poonani as much as the next guy.

As long as that next guy is Kingspeed..

 

[MickZagger]

As long as that next guy is Kingspeed..

Do you secretly wish I was gay?

 

[Pinwheel1]

To answer my own challenge, this trade works, but I'm no longer sure why Utah would do it. (It also works if you throw in Augustin to NJ.)

Utah would do it to save 8-9 million. Also because they have been tired of AK's act for a few years. There were a few guys on the Jazz team that Deron Williams alluded to after frustrating playoff losses that quit on him. I always thought AK was one of them. The guy plays great in spurts and plays pretty good D on Durant, but either way this is his last year with the Jazz. And if they can save that much money it is worth it to them.

 

[Blaze01]

If this happens, should POR offer Miller, Bayless & Fernandez for Billups?

Possibly throw in a 1st round pick? or rights to one of the euros (Claver, Koponen, Freeland)?

OR................

Miller, Przybilla, Bayless, Rudy and 1st rounder for Billups and Chris Anderson?

 

[BGrantFan]

Utah would do it to save 8-9 million. Also because they have been tired of AK's act for a few years. There were a few guys on the Jazz team that Deron Williams alluded to after frustrating playoff losses that quit on him. I always thought AK was one of them. The guy plays great in spurts and plays pretty good D on Durant, but either way this is his last year with the Jazz. And if they can save that much money it is worth it to them.

Yep. Thank in part Utah's "poison pill" loan for Millsap's contract negotiated by Pritchard. I'm guessing that Pritchard knew that Utah would somehow have to match it, no matter the cost, because they were not going to re-sign Boozer after the season. Now, a year later, and they are in worse financial shape than they were before last season.

 

[julius]

Do you secretly wish I was gay?

I'm sorry, my joke was apparently not clear. I was implying that you were of the homosexual persuasion, and preferred man mayo on your sammich.

 

[MickZagger]

I'm sorry, my joke was apparently not clear. I was implying that you were of the homosexual persuasion, and preferred man mayo on your sammich.

No. No. my friend. I guess I wasn't clear on my behalf. I take it you wish I liked cock and balls, I clearly don't, therefor you have no chance. You live in Portland though, I'm sure there's plenty of options bud!

 

[julius]

No. No. my friend. I guess I wasn't clear on my behalf. I take it you wish I liked cock and balls, I clearly don't, therefor you have no chance. You live in Portland though, I'm sure there's plenty of options bud!

Apology accepted.

 

[THE HCP]

^^QUEERS!^^^

 

[illmatic99]

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/69257/20100924/source_melo_approves_trade_to_nets/

I'm baffled as to why Melo is choosing NJ over NY or CHI. He'd have better teammates in the other locations.

But at least our division and conference gets weaker (although, I think Diaw can flourish somewhat under Sloan, as he's perfect for that system with his superior passing skills).

 

[julius]

Probably means Denver joins the lower "half" of the conference playoff race. Now if the Nuggets get rid of Kenyon Martin, I won't hate them nearly as much.

 

[illmatic99]

Oh, I think they'll fall out completely, because once Anthony is traded, Billups will not be far behind.

A rotation of Lawson-Smith-Afflalo-Nene- Martin, and Favors sucks.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Yep. Thank in part Utah's "poison pill" loan for Millsap's contract negotiated by Pritchard. I'm guessing that Pritchard knew that Utah would somehow have to match it, no matter the cost, because they were not going to re-sign Boozer after the season. Now, a year later, and they are in worse financial shape than they were before last season.

Milsap's contracts value this year was probably brought down because of our offer. If he was in this years crop, his contract would have been much bigger considering what some mediocre talent recieved. Utah also traded its trade exemption gained in the Boozer deal for Jefferson, putting themselves over the tax.

 

[MickZagger]

The more I think about it, the more I think Utah wants in on this deal to spite Utah. The move doesn't really make sense from their standpoint, but as long as Carmello is out of Denver its a win for them

 

[BGrantFan]

Milsap's contracts value this year was probably brought down because of our offer. If he was in this years crop, his contract would have been much bigger considering what some mediocre talent recieved. Utah also traded its trade exemption gained in the Boozer deal for Jefferson, putting themselves over the tax.

Utah took out a loan, with interest, for the Milsap contract. Loans become due over a period of time. Or, Utah can keep paying interest on it.

 

[THE HCP]

Billups has to be PISSED!!!

 

[THE HCP]

Just read the article........ would they do a sign and trade? What good is his promise to re-sign? Boozer did that to the Cavs back in the day.

 

[Nikolokolus]

The more I think about it, the more I think Utah wants in on this deal to spite Utah. The move doesn't really make sense from their standpoint, but as long as Carmello is out of Denver its a win for them

First off I assume you mean Utah wants to spite Denver? Secondly, Kirilenko is going to make 17 million this year. He's a pretty good player, but he's not 17 million good and while Diaw is nowhere nearly as useful (unless they're going up against Joey Chestnut) he makes roughly half that, which puts Utah back below the tax line

 

[KingSpeed]

If this happens, should POR offer Miller, Bayless & Fernandez for Billups?

Possibly throw in a 1st round pick? or rights to one of the euros (Claver, Koponen, Freeland)?

OR................

Miller, Przybilla, Bayless, Rudy and 1st rounder for Billups and Chris Anderson?

I love this post.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Utah took out a loan, with interest, for the Milsap contract. Loans become due over a period of time. Or, Utah can keep paying interest on it.

That makes zero sense. So Utah can pay a 70M dollar payroll last year, yet has to take out a crippling loan to pay the mere 10M that had to be paid within 7 days? Then, instead of paying the loan they trade for Al Jefferson? Also, Millsap's cap number is going to be higher for the duration of his contract compared to his actual compensation each year.

I would just say Utah will not pay the luxury tax (just like alot of teams) and the Millsap contract was a mild discomfort.

 

[Nikolokolus]

That makes zero sense. So Utah can pay a 70M dollar payroll last year, yet has to take out a crippling loan to pay the mere 10M that had to be paid within 7 days? Then, instead of paying the loan they trade for Al Jefferson? Also, Millsap's cap number is going to be higher for the duration of his contract compared to his actual compensation each year.

I would just say Utah will not pay the luxury tax (just like alot of teams) and the Millsap contract was a mild discomfort.

I think it's more of an issue of liquidity and having the time to get the money together for Millsap's signing bonus. The Millers have most of their assets tied up in their car dealerships, which means maybe not a lot of hard cash laying around with the car sales market in the toilet.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

I think it's more of an issue of liquidity and having the time to get the money together for Millsap's signing bonus. The Millers have most of their assets tied up in their car dealerships, which means maybe not a lot of hard cash laying around with the car sales market in the toilet.

If the loan, which I have no idea if there was one or not, was truly that crippling, why trade for Jefferson?

 

[BGrantFan]

That makes zero sense. So Utah can pay a 70M dollar payroll last year, yet has to take out a crippling loan to pay the mere 10M that had to be paid within 7 days? Then, instead of paying the loan they trade for Al Jefferson? Also, Millsap's cap number is going to be higher for the duration of his contract compared to his actual compensation each year.

I would just say Utah will not pay the luxury tax (just like alot of teams) and the Millsap contract was a mild discomfort.

It may not make sense, but it is what happened in order for the Jazz to sign Millsap.

 

[BGrantFan]

If the loan, which I have no idea if there was one or not, was truly that crippling, why trade for Jefferson?

All the more reason to shed payroll at this point.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=926565

FGump has a pretty good rep on RealGM and summed up the Millsap contract nicely.

Good point. What is the difference between toxic and acceptable?

The cash flow drain went up considerably, of course. But that's just cash flow, because now they'll be able to pay less in later years than they otherwise would have. Yes there's a time value of money (assuming they borrow the cash), but it's easy money to get given the fact that the NBA has credit lines waiting for teams if they want and need to borrow any money; and the net cost to the Jazz would probably be around $1M.

On the visible hit, which is paying money they might not otherwise have had to pay, the cap/tax hit on this deal in year one versus a normal offer is only increased by about $700,000.

That's makes perhaps $1,700,000 extra on a 4 year deal.

Given the fact the Jazz really seem to prefer Millsap, I have a hard time seeing how about $425,000 per year total in net added cost (less than the price for a minimum salary rookie free agent) will ultimately prove to be a decider if Millsap is the guy they want. At $8M a year compared to the $12+M they were paying for Boozer, it looks like an easy choice to me.

I'd also wager that Utah will take the full 7 days to "decide" even if the answer is as easy to them as it looks to me. That makes Portland squirm, takes Pritchard out of the free agency market while he has to watch helpless for a week as another set of free agents go elsewhere (look at it as their payback for such a hardball front-loaded offer, one that ultimately will cost Utah cash but won't gain the Blazers anything), and gives the Jazz a week with leverage to gather bids for Boozer (the leverage being, we might choose to keep him). Once they match, they're more in "have to" mode.