How many teams don't have to disrupt their normal defensive plan by doubling down on Howard every time he gets the ball? The Celtics don't have to change a thing with Perk.
Also...B-Roy gets it.
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How many teams don't have to disrupt their normal defensive plan by doubling down on Howard every time he gets the ball? The Celtics don't have to change a thing with Perk.
Also...B-Roy gets it.
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I'm not going to waste my time looking up stats to argue with somebody that tries to use a 12 game sample as proof on anything.
So to prove your superior understanding of stats you're going to not bother to quote stats?
Convincing argument....
If you're going to be make a claim be prepared to back it up. Not doing so is pretty weak.
That said, looks like we're done here.
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Dude, you quoted stats from this year only. He has played 12 games this year. Go ahead and look at last year if you want. The guy is a starting center in the league, and he barely cracked the top 50 in total rebounding percentage.
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Talking Green vs Perkins is actually deceptive. Perkins isn't replacing Green, who the Thunder obviously saw as expendable. The question you should ask: are the Thunder better with Perkins in place of Krstic?
Do you realize how flawed that list is? Sean Marks had the 26th highest TRB%. LOL.
Here's a more accurate list: http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2010_leaders.html
It puts Perkins at 16. The year before he was 11th.
I get that Perkins shouldn't be that high because of injuries to people like Oden and I'm sure other players, but I think it gives you a better idea of where he stands than your list that doesn't filter out guys that barely played.
And remember, all I said was is that Perkins is a good rebounder. Never said he was great or elite.
And remember, all I said was is that Perkins is a good rebounder. Never said he was great or elite.
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Howard's career stats: 18ppg/13rpg/1.5apg.
Howard's stats in 22 games versus Perkins: 16ppg/13rpg/1.7apg
Conclusion: Perkins' defense on Howard is overrated, and he often received help from Garnett anyhow.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/howardw01/splits/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=howardw01&p2=perkike01
2007-08 - Dwight Howard v. Celtics (64.7% FG, 21.7 PPG, 12 RPG) - Season (59.9%, 20.7 PPG, 14.2 RPG) - you win this one
2008-09 - Dwight Howard v. Celtics (49.1% FG, 16.8 PPG, 15.5 RPG) - Season (57.2%, 20.6 PPG, 13.8 RPG)
2009-10 - Dwight Howard v. Celtics (51.4% FG, 12.3 PPG, 14.5 RPG) - Season (61.2%, 18.3 PPG, 13.2 RPG)
Career - Dwight Howard v. Celtics (51.3% FG, 16.4 PPG, 12.5 RPG) - Overall (57.7%, 18 PPG, 12.8 RPG)
Also, in the 09-10 playoffs, Howard shot 56.7% from the field (61.2% for the season). That shooting pct goes with 10.8 RPG (13.2 in the season). In the 08-09 playoffs (Magic won the series), Howard shot 54.9% which was close to, but below his season FG% (57.2%).
And if you want to look a bit further, in career splits, he shoots .3 FGs per game more in total than he does against the Celtics, so its a negligible difference. But when you note that his scoring is down and his percentage is lower, that stands out a bit because these are big games and Dwight is doing less with same amount of shots.
2008-09 - Dwight Howard v. Celtics (49.1% FG, 16.8 PPG, 15.5 RPG) - Season (57.2%, 20.6 PPG, 13.8 RPG)
2009-10 - Dwight Howard v. Celtics (51.4% FG, 12.3 PPG, 14.5 RPG) - Season (61.2%, 18.3 PPG, 13.2 RPG)
Career - Dwight Howard v. Celtics (51.3% FG, 16.4 PPG, 12.5 RPG) - Overall (57.7%, 18 PPG, 12.8 RPG)
Also, in the 09-10 playoffs, Howard shot 56.7% from the field (61.2% for the season). That shooting pct goes with 10.8 RPG (13.2 in the season). In the 08-09 playoffs (Magic won the series), Howard shot 54.9% which was close to, but below his season FG% (57.2%).
And if you want to look a bit further, in career splits, he shoots .3 FGs per game more in total than he does against the Celtics, so its a negligible difference. But when you note that his scoring is down and his percentage is lower, that stands out a bit because these are big games and Dwight is doing less with same amount of shots.
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WHAT? Please tell me you're kidding. If you want to take out the guys who played less than 20 games, fine, but that's like 5 guys. You're taking out guys like Kevin Love and Reggie Evans, who are WAY better rebounders than Perk.
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I'm going to miss Perkins playing defense 1 on 5 for 48 minutes a game.
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I think it's an OK trade for both teams.
Boston didn't want to pay Perk what he wanted and needed a back-up 3 and add some versatility to their team they get that guy in green and he also is a decent young piece for the future.
Boston's front line is obviously thinned out now, but I think they can get a away with Krstic until Shaq gets healthy and then you have a nice complementary C rotation. KG can post up a bit more now too with a spacer at the 5.
For OKC, I think it strengthens their D which has taken a step back from last year. I think Perk is overrated as a defender (KG was and still is the defensive anchor for that team) but he's still an improvement in that area. Also boosts their rebounding quite a bit as Ibaka slides into the starting 4 spot who is a vastly better rebounder than Green and Perk again is a solid (not great) rebounding center.
Their offense has improved considerably this year and has compensated for the regression in their defense, but I think this trade weakens them in this area for a couple reasons.
First, I think the Thunder have to insert Harden into the starting lineup now which weakens their already offensively inept bench unit.
The reason why is with Kendrick now at the five, their spacing is affected greatly. With Krstic and Green, they could spread the floor and open up lanes for Westbrook's drives. Perkins is no threat from the outside and Ibaka doesn't have the range Green had, making it easy now for teams to pack the paint, thus the need for a shooter like Harden.
This leaves them with Maynor, Cook, Sefolosha, Collison and Mohammed coming off the bench. There's not one even average scorer in that group, and you could easily say their all below average offensively even for bench players.
This fact could force OKC into giving Nate Robinson burn and that in my opinion is a negative for their team.
I honestly think OKC has regressed this year despite the massive jump we've seen from Westbrook. Sure their record is better but their defense has taken a step back (Perk could get them back to last years level, but I'm skeptical) . There is still little fluidity to their half-court offense where they depend almost solely on the pure talent level of Westbrook and Durant, and their bench, which is now even weaker could hurt them in the playoffs. Plus they're young and inexperienced and teams like that just don't contend for championships, let alone ones with significant holes.
I give them a 60/40 chance to get out of the first round, and little chance to get out of the second regardless of match-up.
The idea that they're now all of a sudden contenders to come out of the West seems premature to me.
Boston didn't want to pay Perk what he wanted and needed a back-up 3 and add some versatility to their team they get that guy in green and he also is a decent young piece for the future.
Boston's front line is obviously thinned out now, but I think they can get a away with Krstic until Shaq gets healthy and then you have a nice complementary C rotation. KG can post up a bit more now too with a spacer at the 5.
For OKC, I think it strengthens their D which has taken a step back from last year. I think Perk is overrated as a defender (KG was and still is the defensive anchor for that team) but he's still an improvement in that area. Also boosts their rebounding quite a bit as Ibaka slides into the starting 4 spot who is a vastly better rebounder than Green and Perk again is a solid (not great) rebounding center.
Their offense has improved considerably this year and has compensated for the regression in their defense, but I think this trade weakens them in this area for a couple reasons.
First, I think the Thunder have to insert Harden into the starting lineup now which weakens their already offensively inept bench unit.
The reason why is with Kendrick now at the five, their spacing is affected greatly. With Krstic and Green, they could spread the floor and open up lanes for Westbrook's drives. Perkins is no threat from the outside and Ibaka doesn't have the range Green had, making it easy now for teams to pack the paint, thus the need for a shooter like Harden.
This leaves them with Maynor, Cook, Sefolosha, Collison and Mohammed coming off the bench. There's not one even average scorer in that group, and you could easily say their all below average offensively even for bench players.
This fact could force OKC into giving Nate Robinson burn and that in my opinion is a negative for their team.
I honestly think OKC has regressed this year despite the massive jump we've seen from Westbrook. Sure their record is better but their defense has taken a step back (Perk could get them back to last years level, but I'm skeptical) . There is still little fluidity to their half-court offense where they depend almost solely on the pure talent level of Westbrook and Durant, and their bench, which is now even weaker could hurt them in the playoffs. Plus they're young and inexperienced and teams like that just don't contend for championships, let alone ones with significant holes.
I give them a 60/40 chance to get out of the first round, and little chance to get out of the second regardless of match-up.
The idea that they're now all of a sudden contenders to come out of the West seems premature to me.
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LOL. Howard just scored 40 against the Thunder (without Perkins, though).
You beat me to it.
Howard drops 40 on a Perkinsless Thunder...poor logic for the win!
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Perkins = GOAT!
The time is now for the Celtics. The 2012 Clippers pick is a respectable lottery pick, but this team's window is closing and they basically have this year, possibly next year to win. This is not a good time to think about transitioning to when its Rondo's team, which is what this move does.
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Ouch. http://okblitz.com/Article.aspx?id=35114
That's a lot of missed games in this crucial time of the season.
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yeah, fresh off knee surgery on the other knee, he fucked up the other one compensating for it. he could go the rest of the season without being right. plus it leaves him very little time to gel with his new teammates.
