OT: Pacers quietly shopping Hibbert

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RR7 said:
Indy has no use for 7 people in a trade. THey have no use for a ton of "potential" guys that won't see minutes for them. They made the ECF and had the best record in the nBA. One guy like that, sure, they're not dumping him strictly for a package of prospects just because. Which is why I like my Lopez deal. They get a tiny bit younger, get a prospect in Crabbe, and get cap space which they crave./
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No they didn't. They were 56-26, exactly two games better than Portland. The Clippers and Thunder had better records. And San Antonio has the best record in the NBA at 62-20.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
I think we should look into it. Lopez, Freeland, McCollum, trob with a first could work. A motivated hibbert puts us into contender status
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I don't think he has that much value now. Way too much for Roy atm, since this "quietly shopping" thing could actually mean "dumping"
 
I think you try like hell for Monroe just in case LA bolts.

You can play Lopez and Monroe together.
 
Hibbert is a game changer on D but I dont value him very high for a couple of reasons.
First his disappearing act last season was unnerving but he showed up and scared the shit out of John Wall in the Wizards series and had a few good games against the heat. He isnt a stat stuffer but more of a brick wall slashing players run into
Hibbert isnt a guy you can give tons of minutes two because he gets tired pretty quickly and you can see how that effects his game
He has a pretty easy counter to his D. A shooting center that drags him away from the paint, hibbert has real trouble getting from above the free throw line back into the paint
Hibbert is also a player who you have to change your offense to fit. Running a fast quick offense or being a running team doesnt wont work with Hibbert. He would be the perfect center for Nate McMillian or Monty Williams but we play to fast for Hibbert here.
 
RR7 said:
We have no SF, and have Hibbert, lopez, kaman, Leonard and Freeland all on the roster. Not a good balance there
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Yeah, the Kaman signing really does make attempting to acquire Hibbert (without sending out RoLo) pretty pointless...
 
It goes back to the discussion we have had the last few months on how important a center is relative to the other positions.
Yes a good center is needed and Hibbert is one of the better one, but at what expense? I would offer value but I would be careful.
He would be great to have but like others have suggested he will only play half the game. I don't mind our center by committee situation. It sure is nice not having to worry if your big man goes down and seeing a big drop off. I would rather have three guys going all out compared to one center trying to pace himself. Center is more a hustle position than a skilled one these days.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
It goes back to the discussion we have had the last few months on how important a center is relative to the other positions.
Yes a good center is needed and Hibbert is one of the better one, but at what expense? I would offer value but I would be careful.
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IMO, it's not so much that a "center is needed" but rather that a defensive game-changer is needed. Just getting a good wing defender (especially if he's a reserve) isn't enough. Outside of maybe Scottie Pippen, a single wing defender can only make so much impact. A great defensive big man can be the foundation of a major defensive turnaround.

For me, it all comes down to whether Stotts and the coaching staff believes that they can incorporate Hibbert into the offense. While I love the idea of getting a DPotY candidate center, if it significantly damages their offense because they're playing 4-on-5 on that end, it isn't worth it.

I don't think getting Hibbert is clearly the right move or clearly the wrong move. It depends on whether the Blazers can wring any offensive value out of him.
 
RR7 said:
We have no SF, and have Hibbert, lopez, kaman, Leonard and Freeland all on the roster. Not a good balance there
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Eh, dorell wright has shown in the past to be fine as a starter. Would be an ok stop gap, and we could use the bae to sign a backup sf.

Or use Lopez as bait to trade for one
 
Minstrel said:
IMO, it's not so much that a "center is needed" but rather that a defensive game-changer is needed. Just getting a good wing defender (especially if he's a reserve) isn't enough. Outside of maybe Scottie Pippen, a single wing defender can only make so much impact. A great defensive big man can be the foundation of a major defensive turnaround.

For me, it all comes down to whether Stotts and the coaching staff believes that they can incorporate Hibbert into the offense. While I love the idea of getting a DPotY candidate center, if it significantly damages their offense because they're playing 4-on-5 on that end, it isn't worth it.

I don't think getting Hibbert is clearly the right move or clearly the wrong move. It depends on whether the Blazers can wring any offensive value out of him.
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That's the thing. It's a two edged sword. Lopez is obviously a better offensive rebounder and a semi decent defensive player. Hibbert is a stellar defensive player, with a suspect offensive game.

The key difference is Aldridge and Lillard would be a perfect compliment to Hibbert. If we somehow were able to keep Batum, then we have a much younger and stronger team than the championship Pistons, IMO.
 
I think a lot of Lopez's success can be attributed to him fitting the role he did for this team. It's a role very similar to the one Hibbert would fill. It's just a matter of whether you think Lopez or Hibbert would make the Blazers a better team, and what the Blazers would have to give up to acquire Hibbert -- I see no way both would be on this roster.

I like Lopez, but you have to consider Hibbert strongly if the price is right. Also, you have to be careful about falling in love with your own players, especially when you are in the position the Blazers are. This team is very good, and I enjoy the way they play, but I still don't see it as currently comprised getting to the NBA Finals, and that's the goal now, not to just be really good for a few years, stuck in the middle of the playoff teams.

No one should be untouchable for the right deal. There aren't many right deals for LA and Dame providing you think you are able to re-sign them and keep them around. Lopez and Matthews are tradeable assets and you might be able to sell high on them right now and get significantly better. Batum still has potential that could entice the right team. As much as I like all of those guys, you have to be willing to keep an open mind to dealing them to take that next step.
 
When we first went after Hibbert I thought he was overrated and was going to get overpaid. But I understood why we were going after him. I still think he's overrated and overpaid, but I'd definitely trade Lopez & CJ for him. I wouldn't include any other starters or Robinson, though.

But I think I agree with Fez that I'd prefer to get Monroe.
 
blue9 said:
When we first went after Hibbert I thought he was overrated and was going to get overpaid. But I understood why we were going after him. I still think he's overrated and overpaid, but I'd definitely trade Lopez & CJ for him. I wouldn't include any other starters or Robinson, though.

But I think I agree with Fez that I'd prefer to get Monroe.
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It would take more than Lopez and CJ to get Hibbert. And keep in mind it's going to be a sign and trade for Monroe; which is most likely Batum or Matthews.

So the real question would be... Who would you rather give up?

For Hibbert; it's most likely going to be Matthews and Lopez, with possibly Leonard to make contracts work

For Monroe; it's most likely Batum and Leonard (which allows Smith able to play PF).

Pick your poison bro.
 
Why would we give up two quality starters for a starter another team wants to dump....

Hibbert has been a borderline allstar and the worst starting big man in the league. I could see why a fan wants to trade one of our starters for that even if I disagree. But trading two is ridiculous.
 
RR7 said:
Did someone in this forum write that? Damn that was painful to read. Someone takes like 8 rumors, reads them poorly and mashes them together.
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Remixes and mash-ups are the new form of artistic expression these days.
 
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