OT: Rubio considering coming over now?

[Idog1976]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/basketball/nba/07/22/rubio.ap/index.html?eref=sircrc

GERONA, Spain (AP) -- Ricky Rubio plans to part ways with Spanish basketball club DKV Joventut even if the Minnesota Timberwolves cannot reach a deal to bring their first round draft pick to the NBA.
Timberwolves president David Kahn was in Spain this week to try and help the fifth overall pick negotiate a buyout of his contract with Joventut. Rubio is at odds with his boyhood club over an $8.2 million buyout clause, which the NBA team can only contribute $500,000 toward.
Regardless of whether the 18-year-old Rubio makes the trip across the Atlantic next season, he won't be playing at Joventut.

You think Rubio or Flynn might be available?

 

[Minstrel]

I think he's trying to send the message that he CAN play in the NBA, if conditions are right. Hoping that it will facilitate a trade, since teams would be less willing to trade for his rights if they think he won't even come over.

I'd love to see Portland deal for his rights. Minnesota doesn't have a lot to gain from holding onto him. And the nice thing is, Minnesota can use a shooting/scoring guard or small forward. So Portland's best trading chips, Rudy, Bayless, Outlaw, aren't useless to Minnesota like they would have been to Memphis or Oklahoma City. Bayless could fit alongside Flynn quite well.

 

[oldmangrouch]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/basketball/nba/07/22/rubio.ap/index.html?eref=sircrc



You think Rubio or Flynn might be available?

Interesting position for the T'Wolves. They can't really risk trading Flynn until they are 100% certain they have Rubio. OTOH, Rubio may not be willing to commit as long as Flynn is on the team. If Kahn isn't careful, he could wind up like the drunk who couldn't pick a stool, so he tried to sit down between them!

 

[Idog1976]

I think he's trying to send the message that he CAN play in the NBA, if conditions are right. Hoping that it will facilitate a trade, since teams would be less willing to trade for his rights if they think he won't even come over.

I'd love to see Portland deal for his rights. Minnesota doesn't have a lot to gain from holding onto him. And the nice thing is, Minnesota can use a shooting/scoring guard or small forward. So Portland's best trading chips, Rudy, Bayless, Outlaw, aren't useless to Minnesota like they would have been to Memphis or Oklahoma City. Bayless could fit alongside Flynn quite well.

I know Rubio would be fantastic. I wouldn't mind keeping Blake as starter until Rubio was ready to take over.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I'd love to get Rubio, but we can't even manage to get a backup power forward right now. I'd love to see our luck change with a good acquisition at the PG position.

 

[Wheels]

I think he's trying to send the message that he CAN play in the NBA, if conditions are right. Hoping that it will facilitate a trade, since teams would be less willing to trade for his rights if they think he won't even come over.

I'd love to see Portland deal for his rights. Minnesota doesn't have a lot to gain from holding onto him. And the nice thing is, Minnesota can use a shooting/scoring guard or small forward. So Portland's best trading chips, Rudy, Bayless, Outlaw, aren't useless to Minnesota like they would have been to Memphis or Oklahoma City. Bayless could fit alongside Flynn quite well.

Do you think they would bite on Bayless + Outlaw + a 1st or a couple?

 

[graybeard]

I've been thinking that he's on his way here. Rubio and Flynn don't both fit on Minny's team. Rubio is not a shooting guard. I don't have a clue on the details, but he just doesn't fit there.

 

[graybeard]

Do you think they would bite on Bayless + Outlaw + a 1st or a couple?

I can't help but think that Joel has to be in on the deal somewhere. His stock won't be ever higher than it is now.

 

[Wheels]

I can't help but think that Joel has to be in on the deal somewhere.

I dunno if I could see KP doing that, until we are sure Oden can be good on a nightly basis.

 

[Wheels]

although now that I think of it, our bench would have next to no firepower in that deal.

 

[Idog1976]

I can't help but think that Joel has to be in on the deal somewhere. His stock won't be ever higher than it is now.

Joel + Rudy + Outlaw + Picks + $ for Rubio, Love and filler.

Minnie gets a native Minnesota center to go next to Al jefferson at PF (where he should be imo).

They pair Blake/Flynn and Rudy in the back court and start Outlaw at the 3. That's a decent young team.

Portland:

PG Blake/Rubio/Bayless
SG Roy/Bayless/Webster
SF Batum/Webster/Roy
PF LMA/Love/Cunningham
C Oden/LMA/Pendergraph

Oden, LMA and Love rotation in the front court would absolutely dominate the glass.

Blake plays PG until Rubio is ready. I think you have to consider it.

Basically you are trading Joel and Rudy for Rubio and Love. I think that's pretty reasonable.

 

[graybeard]

You need more proof about Greg? The job of a good GM is to determine a players skill level and ceiling without waiting for him to prove it. Ya gotta be able to project accurately how a player is going to turn out. It's a skill that the best GM's have. Whenever I hear someone proclaim that they have to wait to see the proof, I think they don't know that some have the skill more so than others.

Greg is going to be the best center in the nba soon... lot's of people see it. Can't you see it?

 

[graybeard]

Joel + Rudy + Outlaw + Picks + $ for Rubio, Love and filler.

Minnie gets a native Minnesota center to go next to Al jefferson at PF (where he should be imo).

They pair Blake/Flynn and Rudy in the back court and start Outlaw at the 3. That's a decent young team.

Portland:

PG Blake/Rubio/Bayless
SG Roy/Bayless/Webster
SF Batum/Webster/Roy
PF LMA/Love/Cunningham
C Oden/LMA/Pendergraph

Oden, LMA and Love rotation in the front court would absolutely dominate the glass.

Blake plays PG until Rubio is ready. I think you have to consider it.

Basically you are trading Joel and Rudy for Rubio and Love. I think that's pretty reasonable.

No way KP is trading Rudy. That's the whole purpose of making the trade, to reunite Rudy with Rubio. Hell, those two gave the USA Olympic Team troubles. We could have Spain's starting guards on our team.

 

[graybeard]

It'll be Joel, Outlaw and Blake I think. We take back salaries to make it work.

 

[Wheels]

You need more proof about Greg? The job of a good GM is to determine a players skill level and ceiling without waiting for him to prove it. Ya gotta be able to project accurately how a player is going to turn out. It's a skill that the best GM's have. Whenever I hear someone proclaim that they have to wait to see the proof, I think they don't know that some have the skill more so than others.

Greg is going to be the best center in the nba soon... lot's of people see it. Can't you see it?

not sure if this is sarcasm or real.

 

[graybeard]

How do you explain that some GM's are better than others?

 

[Ed O]

No way KP is trading Rudy. That's the whole purpose of making the trade, to reunite Rudy with Rubio. Hell, those two gave the USA Olympic Team troubles. We could have Spain's starting guards on our team.

No... the point of the trade would be to get an awesome young PG prospect. I don't think matching Rubio up with Rudy would be that big of a consideration.

Ed O.

 

[graybeard]

No... the point of the trade would be to get an awesome young PG prospect. I don't think matching Rubio up with Rudy would be that big of a consideration.

Ed O.

Then we disagree Ed. I think KP thinks very highly of Rudy. Sure, he would be a great pg prospect. But those Spanish guards gave our all-stars all they wanted. Rudy and Ricky have chemistry, you really don't think KP values that?

 

[Idog1976]

Greg is going to be the best center in the nba soon... lot's of people see it. Can't you see it?

Yes I can see it, in fact I can see into the future where Oden is dominating the league and...




.....

 

[Minstrel]

Then we disagree Ed. I think KP thinks very highly of Rudy. Sure, he would be a great pg prospect. But those Spanish guards gave our all-stars all they wanted. Rudy and Ricky have chemistry, you really don't think KP values that?

I'm sure he does, and I have no doubt that he values Fernandez, but that doesn't mean it would prevent him from trading Fernandez for Rubio, if that's what it took. Rubio is an even more special prospect/player.

I'd love to have Rubio play with Fernandez...there's something to be said for flair and an exciting duo. But Fernandez is not so good that he should be considered off the table in a Rubio deal. Minnesota may well want Fernandez, since he's a prototypical shooting guard to pair with Flynn.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I think it's more realistic to offer Rudy for Flynn.

I don't think Kahn will deal Rubio.

 

[Idog1976]

I think it's more realistic to offer Rudy for Flynn.

I don't think Kahn will deal Rubio.

Maybe Rudy and Blake for Flynn and Love?

 

[STOMP]

Then we disagree Ed. I think KP thinks very highly of Rudy. Sure, he would be a great pg prospect. But those Spanish guards gave our all-stars all they wanted. Rudy and Ricky have chemistry, you really don't think KP values that?

talented players have chemistry. I'd guess that Rubio would have more chemistry with Roy then Rudy.

STOMP

 

[Nikolokolus]

Do you think they would bite on Bayless + Outlaw + a 1st or a couple?

No ... not even close.

 

[Draco]

I don't see us trading Blake to Minnesota, a veteran backup has little value to a young rebuilding team, he has a lot more value to us.

I'd love a Bayless/Travis/future 1st's for Rubio deal but I don't know if that'd be enough. Giving up Rudy would be risky, I'd rather give up Batum. Losing either of those two would be painful, that's where the GM has to really do his research on Rubio.

 

[shamelessblazer]

The funny thing is that Rubio has a game somewhat in the similar mold to Andre Miller.

Blake/future pick for Dre Miller

Bayless/Outlaw for Rubio/Qrich (saves them money and adds young talent)

2nd round pick for Kurt Thomas

Miller/Rubio
Roy/Rudy
Webster/Batum
Aldridge/Thomas
Oden/Pryzbilla

mmm, a lotta alley-oops!

 

[TheFreshPrince]

Joel + Rudy + Outlaw + Picks + $ for Rubio, Love and filler.

Minnie gets a native Minnesota center to go next to Al jefferson at PF (where he should be imo).

They pair Blake/Flynn and Rudy in the back court and start Outlaw at the 3. That's a decent young team.

Portland:

PG Blake/Rubio/Bayless
SG Roy/Bayless/Webster
SF Batum/Webster/Roy
PF LMA/Love/Cunningham
C Oden/LMA/Pendergraph

Oden, LMA and Love rotation in the front court would absolutely dominate the glass.

Blake plays PG until Rubio is ready. I think you have to consider it.

Basically you are trading Joel and Rudy for Rubio and Love. I think that's pretty reasonable.

ummmmmm, no

Rubio has higher value than anyone besides roy, and love has higher than anyone besides roy and LA. And Gomes is equal or better than outlaw. We gave up foye and miller for rubio, why would we do this, AND lose love?

 

[Wheels]

ummmmmm, no

Rubio has higher value than anyone besides roy, and love has higher than anyone besides roy and LA. And Gomes is equal or better than outlaw. We gave up foye and miller for rubio, why would we do this, AND lose love?

ok... You can keep your phantom draft pick then, if you like him that much

 

[TheFreshPrince]

ok... You can keep your phantom draft pick then, if you like him that much

you guys are so ridiculous lol. Your players AREN'T VERY GOOD. you guys have a good system with one great player and one really good player with a bunch of role players and you think they are worth the best young pg to come out in years? Sure he may be a bust, but the fact is we don't know yet so his value is VERY high.

phantom pick? what makes you say that? He has a huge buyout because his over protective parents screwed him on a deal when he was 14. He has said a couple of times. That he is blessed to be able to play with big Al and Love and that minnesota is a great fit for him.

How many of your players would start for more than half the league besides LA and Roy?????
the answer is none...... lol, rudy needs more minutes to prove something, blake is mediocre, oden is garbage so far, maybe he'll turn it around, bayless is losing value left and right, batum is unproven, outlaw is mediocre. You guys really crack me up. You actually believe these role players are studs. Gomes would start day 1 for you guys.

 

[Wheels]

you guys are so ridiculous lol. Your players AREN'T VERY GOOD. you guys have a good system with one great player and one really good player with a bunch of role players and you think they are worth the best young pg to come out in years? Sure he may be a bust, but the fact is we don't know yet so his value is VERY high.

phantom pick? what makes you say that? He has a huge buyout because his over protective parents screwed him on a deal when he was 14. He has said a couple of times. That he is blessed to be able to play with big Al and Love and that minnesota is a great fit for him.

How many of your players would start for more than half the league besides LA and Roy?????
the answer is none...... lol, rudy needs more minutes to prove something, blake is mediocre, oden is garbage so far, maybe he'll turn it around, bayless is losing value left and right, batum is unproven, outlaw is mediocre. You guys really crack me up. You actually believe these role players are studs. Gomes would start day 1 for you guys.

you mention Roy and LMA.. thats why I lol'd. and trust me I am not one who views our role players as studs. You only mentioned Roy above Rubio, and it struck me as funny. I said phantom pick, because you guys have no leverage with trading him, and he doesnt want to play there.