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The Golden State Warriors and Philadelphia 76ers have discussed a trade that would send the Warriors' leading scorer, Monta Ellis, to the 76ers for Andre Iguodala, according to league sources, including one with direct knowledge of Golden State's thinking.
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One source stressed that completion of the deal is not imminent but that it has merits for both sides.
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That would make the warriors kind of scary. A lot of offensive power off the bench to replace Monte too.
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Curry/Iguodala would be a pretty awesome backcourt. Great deal for Golden State if it happens, IMO.
 
Makes no sense for Philly. They already have one ball-dominating guard in Holiday, and they want to open up room for Turner. If they trade Iggy, I think it will be either for salary relief or a decent big, neither which is accomplished with this trade.
 
Are any of you guys saying how good GS would be the same people who said Iggy sucks, and would rather have Matthews?
 
I used to want Iguodala until I saw him lay bricks in the playoffs. Dude makes Gerald Wallace look like Glen Rice.

I'd like to get in on Monta Ellis though. The Blazer need scoring in the worst possible way and he is an elite scorer. Andre + Matthews for him would give the Warriors a lot of cost savings.
 
Iguodala is not a scorer. He can be one in spurts, but if a team relies on him primarily to make baskets, he is not your guy.

OTOH, he's probably the best wing defender in the NBA (yes, even considering LeBron). He's also really athletic in the fast break, and can run the pick and roll efficiently. If used properly, Iggy is one of the best SGs in the game. They ask way too much from him in Philly.
 
I like Iggy, but I think Monta Ellis is a bigger need for us. Plus, Iggy choked in the Ice Cream Sundae eating contest, and was simply dominated by a more determined Greg Oden.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Iguodala is not a scorer. He can be one in spurts, but if a team relies on him primarily to make baskets, he is not your guy.

OTOH, he's probably the best wing defender in the NBA (yes, even considering LeBron). He's also really athletic in the fast break, and can run the pick and roll efficiently. If used properly, Iggy is one of the best SGs in the game. They ask way too much from him in Philly.
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Hmm..."fast break?" "Pick and Roll?" What are these things you speak of?

Would Nate "use him properly" or ask him to be a jump shooter, which he isn't?
 
[video=youtube;epaQHrSN4BQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epaQHrSN4BQ[/video]

I doubt the Blazers would have their typical 6-minute scoring droughts in the playoffs with this guy on the roster.
 
craigehlo said:
[video=youtube;epaQHrSN4BQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epaQHrSN4BQ[/video]

I doubt the Blazers would have their typical 6-minute scoring droughts in the playoffs with this guy on the roster.
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We don't have a player as good on the offensive side of the ball as this kid. We sure have a need though!!!!
 
yuyuza1 said:
Makes no sense for Philly. They already have one ball-dominating guard in Holiday, and they want to open up room for Turner. If they trade Iggy, I think it will be either for salary relief or a decent big, neither which is accomplished with this trade.
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I actually agree with you, but just to play devil's advocate:
Ellis is sort of a poor man's Allen Iverson, and Jrue Holliday is sort of a rich man's Eric Snow, so they can sort of recreate the backcourt of Philly's last finals team! (Seriously: Ellis is a small SG, so you need to pair him with a tall PG, and Holliday is almost 6'5".)
 
craigehlo said:
I doubt the Blazers would have their typical 6-minute scoring droughts in the playoffs with this guy on the roster.
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And neither would their opponents!

Actually, you might want to check Ellis' stats the one time the Warriors made it to the playoffs. It was their miracle upset of the Mavs... and Ellis was a total no-show. (Yes he was young, but he'd already shown himself to be a flashy scorer in the regular season.)
 
BBert said:
I like Iggy, but I think Monta Ellis is a bigger need for us.
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Iggy is twice the player Ellis is. Ellis is the Shareef Abdur-Rahim of guards. Iggy's like Scottie Pippen without a jump shot.

(Seriously: use Basketball Reference to check out Iguodala head-to-head against your fave wing scorer just to see what he does.)
 
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From Philly's standpoint, the 6-3 Ellis is barely tall enough to defend shooting guards. He was third in the NBA in steals this season, but 76ers coach Doug Collins prefers disciplined defenders to those who sacrifice positioning to pad their stats. Furthermore, Ellis can't come close to matching the defensive contributions of Iguodala, who was able to guard shooting guards and small forwards. Ellis' presence means Turner will be defending more threes than twos, and that could present a problem.

"I think of Turner as a two and not a three," the scout said. "Iguodala can guard LeBron James when they face Miami, but if the trade does happen, who's going to guard him?

"If you take Iguodala off of Philadelphia, it hurts them more than taking Ellis off of Golden State," he added.

Philadelphia, the league's eighth-best defensive team this season in terms of efficiency (points allowed per 100 possessions), would obviously be looking for an offensive upgrade should the trade be completed. Elton Brand led the 76ers with his 15.6 PPG scoring average, so dealing for a player like Ellis, who was the Warriors best scorer at 24.1 PPG, makes sense on paper.

But offense isn't just about volume. It's about being productive with each and every possession. No matter what pace a team prefers to play at, it will finish the game with roughly the same amount of possessions as its opponents. So while the Warriors were seventh in total scoring (103.4 PPG), they were tied for just 12th in offensive efficiency (points per 100 possessions), and the discrepancy can be attributed to Ellis' style of play.

Ellis is a high-volume shooter who finished the season as the eighth-best scorer in the NBA, but he ranked only 170th in the NBA in true shooting percentage because he takes so many ill-advised shots (long two-pointers, forced jumpers, etc.). So yes, his 24.1 PPG helped the Warriors score more points than 23 teams over the course of the season, but Ellis' league-leading 20.1 field goal attempts per game kept the team from realizing its offensive potential. According to 82games.com, Ellis' plus-minus rating was a ghastly -233 for the season, which was the worst on the Warriors outside of Andris Biedrins' -236.

Furthermore, Ellis used more possessions per 40 minutes (26.5) than point guard Stephen Curry (23.9), which raises questions about how he'd coexist with up-and-coming playmaker Jrue Holiday in Philadelphia.
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great deal for GS if they make it. I'd like Ellis here. Don't get the fit in Philadelphia.
 
I want no part of Monte here. The guy is a straight up chucker who doesn't play defense and goes for steals all the time letting himself get blown by. We need some help scoring but by adding someone who takes more shots a game then LMA at a much much lower % and doesn't play both ends of the court is a player I want no part of.
 
RR7 said:
great deal for GS if they make it. I'd like Ellis here. Don't get the fit in Philadelphia.
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They have a 6'4 defensive minded PG with good length and quickness that is probably more comparable to SGs. Their leading scorer was Elton Brand at 15.6 ppg. They have an affinity for undersized slashing SGs and Monta Ellis is probably the closest thing to AI since AI. They're sick of Iggy because he didn't pan out to be a go-to elite scoring wing player and hes actually making more money than Monta over the same length of contract. Its about the best fit there is that I can think of.
 
I think Monta would be a perfect fit in Portland. We need a consistent perimeter scorer who can take the pressure off LA. I think he could work as the PGOTF. Miller could be our veteran pg off the bench until his contract/career is over.

Here's how it could work:

Portland sends Batum and Camby to Philly (Philly gets a good prospect who fits with their team and cap relief).

Philly sends Iggy to Golden State and Speights to Portland (GS gets who they want and we get a young C).

Golden State sends Monta Ellis to Portland (we get our scoring PGOTF).


Works in the Trade Machine - http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3gxsqzj
 
Stein is now saying Philly has also talked to the Clippers about Kaman for Iggy.

PG: Mo Williams
SG: Eric Gordon
SF: Andre Iguodala
PF: Blake Griffin
C: DeAndre Jordan

That lineup is kinda scary.
 
They are trying to improve, that's nice to see. Portland on the other hand is only 1-2 pieces away from a championship according to management.

We have a center that all of us would be elated for if he played in 1/2 the games, a former all-star 2 guard that will be good every 3-4 games, a roster that is extremely unballanced and a scheme that doesn't take advantage of our best two players. Must be some mighty big pieces?
 
Mediocre Man said:
They are trying to improve, that's nice to see. Portland on the other hand is only 1-2 pieces away from a championship according to management.

We have a center that all of us would be elated for if he played in 1/2 the games, a former all-star 2 guard that will be good every 3-4 games, a roster that is extremely unballanced and a scheme that doesn't take advantage of our best two players. Must be some mighty big pieces?
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The management has proven to be absolute garbage. It'd be nice to see them being proactive for once rather than regressing.
 
Quite a few rumors about Iggy being discussed on Philly radio. Monta yesterday, and Kaman today.

A guy today who is apparently plugged in from a local sports radio stations thinks the GS trade is 50-50 in happening. But whatever it is, they all want to get rid of him.

Do we want him? What can we offer Philly?
 
We should want him, but I'm not sure the people who actually get to decide that want him. We should be fine with the 21st pick in the draft and the re-signing of some scrub to get us out of the damn first round. Can't wait to see what country our pick is from.
 
Mediocre Man said:
They are trying to improve, that's nice to see. Portland on the other hand is only 1-2 pieces away from a championship according to management.

We have a center that all of us would be elated for if he played in 1/2 the games, a former all-star 2 guard that will be good every 3-4 games, a roster that is extremely unballanced and a scheme that doesn't take advantage of our best two players. Must be some mighty big pieces?
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Those were Cho's words . . . maybe that is why he was fired :)
 
yuyuza1 said:
Do we want him? What can we offer Philly?
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I think opinions would be sharply divided here over whether he'd be a good acquisition for Portland. I would love to acquire him, as he's one of the best wing defenders in the NBA, a great passer and just a really good all-around player in general (he can score well even if he's not a go-to guy and he can rebound).

The only downside is that he's a below average three-point shooter, so he doesn't really spread the court much.

It really depends on what Portland would have to give up for him. If they could swing a Batum/Camby type of deal, for example (give them a cheaper wing with upside and allow them to dump a lot of salary), Portland would have a really fantastic defensive team if Oden plays. Of course, they'd be devoid of depth...
 
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