OT-SJAX wants out

[anonymous gambler]

These are the salaries owed to Jackson:

$7,650,000

$8,450,000

$9,260,000

$10,060,000

The contract is a little high and long for his talent/maturity level. I think I'd pass on Jackson. He's better than Batum and Webster today, but I'd be too worried about the chemistry with him on board for 4 more years.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I like how SJ would project on the court with this club. He can handle the ball + create for others, is a solid defender, and seems to have excellent BBIQ. But just maybe do you think Canzano and the bedwetting Blazer fans sect might get a little insufferable?

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...+jackson&hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&sa=N&um=1

STOMP

Sadly, I have to agree.

I grew up in Portland, and still love many things about the town......but the self-rightous-busybody factor is off the charts.

 

[crandc]

So what else is new? In every city he's coached, Don Nelson overachieves first year and everyone sings his praises. Team falls back year 2 but is still pretty decent and fun to watch. Starts to suck year 3. By year 4 the players are rebelling. Sometimes year 3 and year 4 are combined. Talk about an over-rated coach.

But I don't blame Warriors fans for being PO'd. They did a huge publicity campaign around Jackson. Remember those "where amazing happens" ads every team did? Theirs featured "Where second chances happen". They offered him a huge extension as a reward/inducement.

And of course it does not make sense for him to say he wants a ring and therefore wants to go to the Knicks. Even the three Texas teams are a reach - the Spurs may have one more run in them but Houston and Dallas are not likely to win titles in the next couple of years.

BTW, Stomp, off the subject, did you get the tix I sent?

 

[Masbee]

I like how SJ would project on the court with this club. He can handle the ball + create for others, is a solid defender, and seems to have excellent BBIQ. But just maybe do you think Canzano and the bedwetting Blazer fans sect might get a little insufferable?

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...+jackson&hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&sa=N&um=1

STOMP

How would we know? Dude hasn't played committed defense since he was a Spur. His advanced stats the last few years show him to be a poor defender. We could assume he would be a great defender once again, but I would rather not.

I would much rather have Gerald Wallace at the wing for the same kind of money, if we are making some sort of trade. It is easier to trade with an Eastern Conference team anyhow.

 

[Wheels]

How would we know? Dude hasn't played committed defense since he was a Spur. His advanced stats the last few years show him to be a poor defender. We could assume he would be a great defender once again, but I would rather not.

I would much rather have Gerald Wallace at the wing for the same kind of money, if we are making some sort of trade. It is easier to trade with an Eastern Conference team anyhow.

teams pack it in on us all game with a lineup like that. Miller and our SF.. at least one has to be able to keep defenses honest.

 

[Run BJM]

How would we know? Dude hasn't played committed defense since he was a Spur. His advanced stats the last few years show him to be a poor defender. We could assume he would be a great defender once again, but I would rather not.

I would much rather have Gerald Wallace at the wing for the same kind of money, if we are making some sort of trade. It is easier to trade with an Eastern Conference team anyhow.

Jack's defense took a big hit last season as he was among the league leaders in minutes per game and basically was responsible for being the leading scorer, leading assist man, primary pick and roll player, defend the other team's best perimeter player, etc. It was a lot better when Baron was around and controlling most of the offensive duties so Jack's legs lasted a lot longer and he could commit to defense more. When hes not completely worn out the dude is a really solid defender and hes quite versatile. Dude can lock up nearly any perimeter player and hes even pretty money defending any PF who weighs about 240 lbs or less.

 

[STOMP]

How would we know? Dude hasn't played committed defense since he was a Spur. His advanced stats the last few years show him to be a poor defender. We could assume he would be a great defender once again, but I would rather not.

I would much rather have Gerald Wallace at the wing for the same kind of money, if we are making some sort of trade. It is easier to trade with an Eastern Conference team anyhow.

I'd much rather have Wallace too, has he asked out of his contract? Even if he did, I'd guess the price would be a lot steeper.

As far as judging SJackson being a good defender, thats based mostly on my opinion. I do live in the Bay Area and watch more W's games then any other team besides the Blazers. I'm not sure what the advanced stats say, but I do know that he draws the tougher wing assignment every single night. I don't think he'll end up a Blazer for reasons I already stated plus I'm quite happy with Portland's lineup already, so really whatever...

STOMP

 

[Samuel]

Had a dream last night that this actually happened. No joke.

 

[ABM]

These are the salaries owed to Jackson:

$7,650,000

$8,450,000

$9,260,000

$10,060,000

The contract is a little high and long for his talent/maturity level. I think I'd pass on Jackson. He's better than Batum and Webster today, but I'd be too worried about the chemistry with him on board for 4 more years.

A prominent coach once said, "If one player can negatively affect team chemistry, it wasn't that good to begin with."

My gut instinct tells me that Jackson wouldn't be worth the potential (side-shows) risk, but dude definitely knows how to ball. Would he be worth Outlaw and Bayless?

 

[Ed O]

I have no interest. He's like a slightly older, slightly cheaper Hedo... with a bad attitude.

We don't need another guy that handles the ball a lot and isn't a particularly good perimeter shooter.

Ed O.

 

[ABM]

I have no interest. He's like a slightly older, slightly cheaper Hedo... with a bad attitude.

We don't need another guy that handles the ball a lot and isn't a particularly good perimeter shooter.

Ed O.

Hey, Ed.....could you do me a favor? Could you PM me with your suggestions/recommendations as to, if you had one weekend to spend in Seattle, what would be on your gotta-do list? I'm thinking about surprising my wife with a getaway trip up there before the Holidays hit.

Thanks!

 

[hasoos]

Folks it is no coincidence that Stephen Jackson wants out, and it is not on him it is on Don Nelson. The last couple of years Don Nelson decided he wanted a power struggle with Chris Mullin so he could take over the franchise. He got what he wanted, but at the same time, they have made nothing but bad moves since he did. That is why Jackson wants out. Not because he is a bad egg. Because the franchise is sliding in the wrong direction, and Don Nelson has turned into a total ass hole to his players. Baron left. Monta wants out. Matt Barnes left. Why do you think they want out? They had a really good team going for a while there. They want out because their coach/GM is a fuckhead.

I would love to have Stephen Jackson on the team. He has been successful in both slow and fast offenses, he is a smart player, he is confident, and he knows how to play defense. If we were extremely lucky, one of our SF would some day become as good as Jackson.

 

[Ed O]

If we were extremely lucky, one of our SF would some day become as good as Jackson.

Haha.

He has a career PER of 14.7, and he's only been higher-than-average 15.0 three times in his nine seasons.

I think I'd prefer to have an above-average player at small forward over the course of his career, and if we think Jackson is the ceiling for our SF prospects then we should get new prospects.

Ed O.

 

[southnc]

If you want SJAX, your probably looking at:

Blake / Outlaw or

Blake / Webster

Either trade should probably work for both teams, assuming SJAX can mesh with the rest of the Blazers.