OT: Spoelstra deserves better than this

[MickZagger]

He'd be great, I'm sure, but is he going to be available, or even want to go to a team in flux? So yeah, SA will be in flux very soon too, but if I were him, I'd have to think that Pop retires when Duncan does, making him the heir apparent in SA. Why leave that (regardless of where else you could go)?

Spoesltra will be available just as soon ad Pat Riley hires himself as head coach, which will be any old time. And if we're not doing much better by then, Nate might be on a seat hot enough to burn him.

I don't think Pop is thinking about retiring anytime soon. He's only been coaching for like 13 years and he's 61.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I don't think Pop is thinking about retiring anytime soon. He's only been coaching for like 13 years and he's 61.

My bad; he looks 70.

 

[huevonkiller]

I actually think Spoelstra is a good coach in a horrible situation. He did good last year with Wade and a bunch of scrubs. I'm sure he wouldn't mind coming here either, I'm sure he has family here and he went to Jesuit so he probably has friends here.

And Mike Brown did good with James and a bunch of scrubs...

It has more to do with the Superstar. He has no special qualities that he has taught this team. Most coaches have no impact on their team.

In this instance I would say, LeBron is being told to distribute too much and it is reflected in his ratio of jumpers this season. A savvy coach would have identified this already. Wade was hurt and he can't control that, but this whole "you distribute and he'll score" is dumb to me. Have both play aggressively, just at a lower usage rate.

 

[hasoos]

Maybe Mike Brown was a better coach than people gave him credit for.

That could very well be. Maybe the only offense that works with Lebron is the Lebron isolation offense. But the one thing you can say about Brown, is that he always got his teams to play excellent defense. He may have been put in a corner on offense because he had no choice. It's not like Brown ever got to coach anywhere else to see what he would have run without Lebron on the team.

 

[huevonkiller]

That could very well be. Maybe the only offense that works with Lebron is the Lebron isolation offense. But the one thing you can say about Brown, is that he always got his teams to play excellent defense. He may have been put in a corner on offense because he had no choice. It's not like Brown ever got to coach anywhere else to see what he would have run without Lebron on the team.

Well the Cavs are on pace to win 34 games, and Mike Brown didn't get any role players to defend the Magic or Celtics in the playoffs. He didn't get Mo out of his slump, he didn't get James 38/8/8 against Orlando.

No it is very simple:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7459

Historically these two types of perimeter players have had trouble meshing. It is this specific situation that has caused the heat to struggle. Not because there's anything wrong with just James, or Wade.

 

[MickZagger]

And Mike Brown did good with James and a bunch of scrubs...

It has more to do with the Superstar. He has no special qualities that he has taught this team. Most coaches have no impact on their team.

In this instance I would say, LeBron is being told to distribute too much and it is reflected in his ratio of jumpers this season. A savvy coach would have identified this already. Wade was hurt and he can't control that, but this whole "you distribute and he'll score" is dumb to me. Have both play aggressively, just at a lower usage rate.

James had much, much more talent around him than Wade did. Not even comparable.

 

[huevonkiller]

James had much, much more talent around him than Wade did. Not even comparable.

Except Wade choked against the Atlanta Hawks at home, and Mo Williams disappeared when LeBron was averaging 39 a night in Orlando. So much for that talent aspect. Mo was just fine before when LeBron averaged 40 points a game. Wade got swept by the Chicago Bulls in the first round, and got injured against the Pistons which cost the heat a title, in a 60 win season.

Kobe choked against the Magic too a little, but Pau Gasol defended Dwight Howard well and limited him. Defense matters, Jamison and Williams are terrible defenders. No matter what kind of offense you run that is not acceptable, and goes either on the coach, or he has no affect on his team.


Your argument is sloppy. Either Antawn Jamison and Mo didn't defend well and their coach has no impact, or they received bad coaching. In fact Mike Brown used the wrong lineups for defense, in the post-season.

 

[MickZagger]

Except Wade choked against the Atlanta Hawks at home, and Mo Williams disappeared when LeBron was averaging 39 a night in Orlando. So much for that talent aspect. Mo was just fine before when LeBron averaged 40 points a game. Wade got swept by the Chicago Bulls in the first round, and got injured against the Pistons which cost the heat a title, in a 60 win season.

Kobe choked against the Magic too a little, but Pau Gasol defended Dwight Howard well and limited him. Defense matters, Jamison and Williams are terrible defenders. No matter what kind of offense you run that is not acceptable, and goes either on the coach, or he has no affect on his team.


Your argument is sloppy. Either Antawn Jamison and Mo didn't defend well and their coach has no impact, or they received bad coaching. In fact Mike Brown used the wrong lineups for defense, in the post-season.

You typed a lot of stuff to totally allude my point.

I don't think its debatable the talent that Lebron had around him in Cleveland was way better than what Wade played with last year in Miami. Wade's 2nd best player was a washed up Jermaine O'Neal. The talent around him was horrible.

 

[huevonkiller]

You typed a lot of stuff to totally allude my point.

I don't think its debatable the talent that Lebron had around him in Cleveland was way better than what Wade played with last year in Miami. Wade's 2nd best player was a washed up Jermaine O'Neal. The talent around him was horrible.

I agree to a degree. I wouldn't use your hyperbole though.

 

[MickZagger]

I agree to a degree. I wouldn't use your hyperbole though.

Jamison, Williams, Shaq, Varejao and Hickson.

compared to O'Neal, Haslem, Chalmers and Beasley.

 

[huevonkiller]

Jamison, Williams, Shaq, Varejao and Hickson.

compared to O'Neal, Haslem, Chalmers and Beasley.

Like I said, give it a rest. You're hyping up the second option, who was negative in net differential.

http://www.82games.com/0910/0910CLE.HTM
http://www.82games.com/0910/0910MIA.HTM


Mo Williams was one of the worst defenders at his position last year. He's -0.9.

Varejao comes off the bench, and played 20 minutes a game in the post-season.

 

[MickZagger]

Like I said, give it a rest. You're hyping up the second option, who was negative in net differential.

http://www.82games.com/0910/0910CLE.HTM
http://www.82games.com/0910/0910MIA.HTM


Mo Williams was one of the worst defenders at his position last year. He's -0.9.

Varejao comes off the bench, and played 20 minutes a game in the post-season.

Your scraping at the bottom of the barrel to justify your horrible assertion that Wade had the same kind of talent around him as Lebron did.

 

[huevonkiller]

Your scraping at the bottom of the barrel to justify your horrible assertion that Wade had the same kind of talent around him as Lebron did.

Hey genius, this talented cast is about to win 30-34 games this season. What the hell are you talking about?

Varejao is the only standout on that list, Anderson Varejao plays 23 minutes per game in the playoffs.

 

[44Thrilla]

lol HK you are such a fraud

 

[huevonkiller]

Hickson, O'neal, Williams, with negative net differential. Nice try.


Varejao gets benched. Now they're going to win 34 games if they're fortunate.

 

[huevonkiller]

lol HK you are such a fraud

Nah your team is, one hit wonders.

Hickson sucks on Defense, so does Mo. MickZagger blew his load early.

 

[44Thrilla]

Nah your team is, one hit wonders.

good. and when they suck I will still support them. My team might be a fraud, but I'm not.

btw, heat w/o Wade had what, 15 wins a couple seasons ago? Cavs without LeBron look a little better, wouldn't ya say?

 

[huevonkiller]

good. and when they suck I will still support them. My team might be a fraud, but I'm not.

Big deal, you like laundry.

Again MickZagger, I challenge your foolish statement. The Cavs played like the Sixers when he was off the court, this is measured by basketball-reference, and reflected in LeBron's league leading impact on 82games.