OT: Suns to Wear Los Suns Jerseys for Game Two

[BGrantFan]

Doing it as a response to Cinco de Mayo, and in support of the Latino community in Arizona in the aftermath of the immigration law.

My question is this:

Are Los Suns going to require tickets to get into the game, or can anyone who wants to enjoy their product crash the gates for Game Two? Also, if those who crash the gates can't afford the goods and services offered during the game, will the people who paid for tickets to watch Los Suns play cover the costs?

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Headline from the future: "Suns Players arrested on suspicion of being illegal immigrants... 'Mexican Writing' on jerseys gave police probable cause."

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Are Los Suns going to require tickets to get into the game, or can anyone who wants to enjoy their product crash the gates for Game Two? Also, if those who crash the gates can't afford the goods and services offered during the game, will the people who paid for tickets to watch Los Suns play cover the costs?

Actually, since they're already at the game working at the concession stands, it won't be so bad.

 

[BGrantFan]

Headline from the future: "Suns Players arrested on suspicion of being illegal immigrants... 'Mexican Writing' on jerseys gave police probable cause."

Good point, and Nash, Parker, Barbosa, Dragich, and Ginobli better have their papers ready! Duncan too, since he's a naturalized citizen. Somebody get Sheriiff Joe to the game, STAT!

 

[BGrantFan]

Actually, since they're already at the game working at the concession stands, it won't be so bad.

Oh, I mean everybody. If I don't have a ticket to the game, shouldn't I still be allowed into the game?

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Oh, I mean everybody. If I don't have a ticket to the game, shouldn't I still be allowed into the game?

Are you willing to sweep the arena after the game for free? If so, talk to the owner of the arena. He may cut you a deal.

 

[OddEnormous]

Actually, since they're already at the game working at the concession stands, it won't be so bad.

Who are?

 

[BGrantFan]

Are you willing to sweep the arena after the game for free? If so, talk to the owner of the arena. He may cut you a deal.

Why does that matter? I should be entitled to cut in line and watch the game. It shouldn't matter if I have a ticket. What makes those with tickets so special? Shouldn't they want everybody to experience the wonder of a Los Suns playoff game, regardless of what papers they possess to get into the game?

 

[<-=*PdX*=->]

People are overreacting to this law. Everyone should be mandated to have a state/government issued ID or Drivers License and on it should say national status. If people are here legally then what is the problem? They have nothing to worry about. If all the illegals are that upset then either take the necessary steps to be legal or get out. Its not like the law says they aren't welcome. They just need to be LEGAL. I don't care what race, skin color or what ever you are. If you aren't here legally and truly want to be here then do it the right way. Do get upset if they are going to enforce something that is already a given.

The whole racial profiling excuse is so lame. You know what, it just so happens that the majority of the illegals in this country are from Mexico and of a Mexican decent. So we become racists to kick out people that are illegally in the country? Thats right. Every one should be allowed in for fear of being politically incorrect. I'm sure if I ran off to Spain and tried living there illegally they would be fine with it and just let me get by...

 

[OddEnormous]

Doing it as a response to Cinco de Mayo, and in support of the Latino community in Arizona in the aftermath of the immigration law.

My question is this:

Are Los Suns going to require tickets to get into the game, or can anyone who wants to enjoy their product crash the gates for Game Two? Also, if those who crash the gates can't afford the goods and services offered during the game, will the people who paid for tickets to watch Los Suns play cover the costs?

Oh, what delicious American political satire.

Have you booked your spot on RedEye yet?

(Fake camera man laugh)

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Why does that matter? I should be entitled to cut in line and watch the game. It shouldn't matter if I have a ticket. What makes those with tickets so special? Shouldn't they want everybody to experience the wonder of a Los Suns playoff game, regardless of what papers they possess to get into the game?

It depends on why you're going to the game. While all those ticket-purchasing seat-sitters think you're going to the game just to watch the game for free, you know that you're in the arena because it's pouring rain outside and 40 degrees. Inside the arena is warm, and you were told that if you can sneak in, there was a guy in Janitorial who would let you have some chicken strips if you swept the floor for him. That you had to sneak in in someone's gym bag and sweep the floor the entire game was a small price to pay in order to be warm, dry, and full of chicken strips.

And sure, there's some dudes who barge their way in and shoot people for their tickets, but you know what? That's not you either. You don't know those guys, and you don't care to know them. They're dangerous! Just because you're all of you wet from the rain outside though makes you all targets for security. And you know what? That's their job, so that's fine. You were sneaking in here anyway. You know the risk.

It's that guy who *has* a ticket but got water spilled on him. He's being harassed by the security guards just because he's wet too. It sucks that his tickets are back with his wife in the bowl; he's getting nowhere with those guards. And all because he looks like you: wet. Hardly seems fair, but that's life, isn't it? Get in, sweep your floor, eat your chicken, and keep your head down.

 

[OddEnormous]

Why does that matter? I should be entitled to cut in line and watch the game. It shouldn't matter if I have a ticket. What makes those with tickets so special? Shouldn't they want everybody to experience the wonder of a Los Suns playoff game, regardless of what papers they possess to get into the game?

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SO TRUE!!!!!!

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Also, why can Chris Rock make fun of white people, but if a white guy were to make fun of black people everyone would go crazy?

Oh man, really makes you think...

 

[hasoos]

Sure I agree that if folks are illegal they shouldn't be here. But the Arizona law is flawed. It is nice to have a lot of faith in your police force to do the right thing, but that's not always the way it works. You give law enforcement an inch and they take a mile. It is critical those limitations stay in place. I am sure some cops would do the right thing. But I am also sure some cops will not, and will abuse it as often as they can. People always think laws like these are great until they are they finally are on the receiving end of one of the bad parts of it.

Secondly, they didn't think too much. In 2005 there were 475,000 illegal immigrants in Arizona estimated. How many do you think there are now?

The law in Arizona states up to 6 months in jail for being in the country illegally.

To incarcerate a criminal in the USA last year the average costs was $22,000/Year.

Lets do some math:

475,000 possible incarcerations ($22,000/(1 incarceration)(1 year) * 0.5 years = $5,225,000,000 possible costs. That is just for one year.

Not to mention they have to build the prisons, etc and until then they might have to furlough criminals. Surely they won't bust that many people in a year, but you see what I am saying. I doubt Arizona even has half that much in their budget to spare.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

what biting political satire, BGrantFan. good show

 

[Shooter]

This move by the Suns is a slap in the face to Arizona and its elected representatives. Polls show that 70% of people in Arizona approve of the new law, and are hoping it can begin to address the flood of illegal immigrants that has swamped their state, caused an enormous drain on their resources, and brought higher levels of crime to their communities.

So what exactly is the point of wearing the "Los Suns" uniforms? Are the Suns telling all illegal aliens that they love them, and they're welcome to cross our border and break our laws?

 

[Shooter]

It is nice to have a lot of faith in your police force to do the right thing, but that's not always the way it works. You give law enforcement an inch and they take a mile.

That's exactly what the illegals have done. They've taken advantage of our generosity and our social welfare programs, as well as the federal government's lack of concern about protecting our national border. We've given them an inch and they've taken a mile. I have much more faith in law enforcement to enforce this law fairly than I do in illegal aliens to respect our laws.

 

[Shooter]

Secondly, they didn't think too much. In 2005 there were 475,000 illegal immigrants in Arizona estimated. How many do you think there are now?

The law in Arizona states up to 6 months in jail for being in the country illegally.

To incarcerate a criminal in the USA last year the average costs was $22,000/Year.

Lets do some math:

475,000 possible incarcerations ($22,000/(1 incarceration)(1 year) * 0.5 years = $5,225,000,000 possible costs. That is just for one year.

Not to mention they have to build the prisons, etc and until then they might have to furlough criminals. Surely they won't bust that many people in a year, but you see what I am saying. I doubt Arizona even has half that much in their budget to spare.

I'd say you're the one who didn't "think too much." Clearly this law is intended to encourage illegal aliens to go back home or at least to another state. Arizona knew the law would have a chilling effect on immigration, and that's exactly the point. It won't be neccesary to put very many illegals in jail because they're all going to be heading elsewhere very soon.

 

[OddEnormous]

That's exactly what the illegals have done. They've taken advantage of our generosity and our social welfare programs, as well as the federal government's lack of concern about protecting our national border. We've given them an inch and they've taken a mile. I have much more faith in law enforcement to enforce this law fairly than I do in illegal aliens to respect our laws.

And when they're gone America will FINALLY be perfect... Until everyone starts complaining about the prices of everything skyrocketing and even more jobs leave this country.

HUZAH!!!!!

But at least those monsters will be gone.

 

[zeded]

what biting political satire, BGrantFan. good show

Ditto and to BlazerCaravan as well.

Interesting discourse. Might they both be right? What's the solution?

 

[Shapecity]

It should be Los Soles

 

[Rastapopoulos]

So what exactly is the point of wearing the "Los Suns" uniforms? Are the Suns telling all illegal aliens that they love them, and they're welcome to cross our border and break our laws?

I would've thought you'd be in favor of rights for illegal aliens - you are of European ancestry, I assume? Oh, my mistake, given your use of "our", you must be Native American.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Are Los Suns going to require tickets to get into the game, or can anyone who wants to enjoy their product crash the gates for Game Two? Also, if those who crash the gates can't afford the goods and services offered during the game, will the people who paid for tickets to watch Los Suns play cover the costs?

Actually, only people lucky enough actually to be born within the stadium are allowed to vote on who gets to come and see the game.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I would've thought you'd be in favor of rights for illegal aliens - you are of European ancestry, I assume? Oh, my mistake, given your use of "our", you must be Native American.

Or the sons and grandsons and great-grandsons of people who went through Ellis Island legally, or were emancipated legally, or immigrated in the last 60 years legally. No one's saying a person of hispanic descent can't live and work here...hell, I embrace it! America's the greatest country on earth.

But there's a right way to live here, and a criminal way to live here. Respect the laws.

 

[Shooter]

I would've thought you'd be in favor of rights for illegal aliens - you are of European ancestry, I assume?

Huh? What kind of logic is that? My ancestors came here legally, and so should today's immigrants.

 

[BlazerWookee]

That's exactly what the illegals have done. They've taken advantage of our generosity and our social welfare programs, as well as the federal government's lack of concern about protecting our national border. We've given them an inch and they've taken a mile. I have much more faith in law enforcement to enforce this law fairly than I do in illegal aliens to respect our laws.

We gave them an inch, and they took five or six states...

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[oldmangrouch]

Time will tell - but if this law leads to American citizens of hispanic descent getting harassed, then IMHO it isn't worth it.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I'm on the other side of the fence. First, I don't think that this will lead to widespread "Driving while Latino" pullovers. What it will do is a) enforce a federal policy at a state level, b) get people who shouldn't be here out of here, and c) allow people to see that we're serious about doing things the right way. And, honestly, if the safety of the citizenry of AZ (and the rest of the US) goes up b/c a few people are inconvenienced, I'm ok with that. Which is why I support sobriety checkpoints, airport security checks and all the time it takes to pull those stupid inkblot badges off of sweaters I buy.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Huh? What kind of logic is that? My ancestors came here legally, and so should today's immigrants.

Sigh. I guess the reference to Europeans "discovering" America was lost on you. Big surprise. You're no Stephen Hawking, after all. But it's good to know you've got no problem with the children of illegal aliens born here. After all, they arrive legally.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I don't think that this will lead to widespread "Driving while Latino" pullovers.

And your basis for this confidence is the purity of heart and complete absense of prejudice amply demonstrated by all police at all times?

 

[BrianFromWA]

Not a problem for me at all. In fact, I'm all about ESL training for those children (hispanic heritage or otherwise) if it helps them succeed. From most of the teachers and first-generation friends I have have told em, ESL's not the best way to get someone language skills. But that's another thread.