OT: this looks amazing

[illmatic99]

Warriors' new arena plan:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-b...n-francisco-skyline-waterfront-155239078.html

As if I didn't have enough incentive to move to the Bay area before.

I really hope this gets accepted.

 

[Natebishop3]

Is it floating on the water?

 

[handiman]

Might as well name it Alcatraz.

 

[tlongII]

Won't be long before the Rose Garden is obsolete and PA threatens to move the team!

 

[julius]

Won't be long before the Rose Garden is obsolete and PA threatens to move the team!

the RG could stand to be upgraded/remodeled a bit. I wish it had more glass/windows and a cleaner look.

 

[Natebishop3]

the RG could stand to be upgraded/remodeled a bit. I wish it had more glass/windows and a cleaner look.

Exactly. The RG is approaching 20 years of age (opened in 95). They started construction in 93 so the design actually is 20 years old.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Exactly. The RG is approaching 20 years of age (opened in 95). They started construction in 93 so the design actually is 20 years old.

And done on the cheap back then.

I'm a big fan of having Paul Allen as the owner of the Blazers. But the Rose Garden was never done right and is now dated version of a cheaply built arena.

 

[julius]

And done on the cheap back then.

I'm a big fan of having Paul Allen as the owner of the Blazers. But the Rose Garden was never done right and is now dated version of a cheaply built arena.

You want to talk about cheap, look at US Airways Center in Phoenix. Cost in 1990 dollars was something like 90 million. In todays money, that's like 140.

The RG in todays market is just under 400 million, so I'm not sure it was "on the cheap" as much as it was kind of a bland design.

It needs a paint job, new seats, new paint inside and if they could, and expanded concourse (out).

It's a shame they didn't tear down the MC...or better yet, incorporate the two into a bigger complex.

maybe the Blazers could play half a season in Seattle and half a season in Portland as they remodel the RG

 

[mobes23]

From wikipedia: "The Trail Blazers have a lease agreement with the Rose Garden which runs through 2025, and an exclusive site agreement with the City of Portland requires the team to remain in Portland through 2023."

So, we should have then for another 10-12 years, unless they successfully negotiate out early like Bennett did from the Seattle lease.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

You want to talk about cheap, look at US Airways Center in Phoenix. Cost in 1990 dollars was something like 90 million. In todays money, that's like 140.

The RG in todays market is just under 400 million, so I'm not sure it was "on the cheap" as much as it was kind of a bland design.

It needs a paint job, new seats, new paint inside and if they could, and expanded concourse (out).

It's a shame they didn't tear down the MC...or better yet, incorporate the two into a bigger complex.

maybe the Blazers could play half a season in Seattle and half a season in Portland as they remodel the RG

Sadly I think they just remodeled the RG recently.

I read an article a while back that when building the RG, Allen passed on a lot of modern amenities that other new arenas were including (the luxury boxes in particular were were done cheaply is what sticks out in my mind).

Anyways, good to see RG wasn't as cheap as other arenas. Don't blame Paul much, if city isn't going to help on the costs, why should he build a top notch arena.

 

[KingSpeed]

I've been to 24 of the 29 arenas. Rose Garden is the best one.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I've been to 24 of the 29 arenas. Rose Garden is the best one.

Well I haven't been to many that many arenas, so I'll take your word for it.

I didn't find anything about the remodeled suites but this from wiki:

The Rose Garden is a precast concrete-framed structure with a roof made up of skeletal steel. The arena structure encloses a total of over 785,000 square feet (72,900 m2), on eight levels, five of which are open to the public. The building is 140 feet (43 m), from the event floor to the pinnacle of the saddle-shaped roof.[6] The arena includes a 60 by 40 feet (18 m × 12 m) permanent stage, and a 200 by 85 feet (61 m × 26 m) ice rink.[14]
The building is composed of over 48,000 cubic yards (37,000 m3) of concrete, and over 9,700 short tons (8,800 t) of steel. The exterior is composed of over 29,000 square feet (2,700 m2) of glass, 17,500 square feet (1,630 m2) of plaster, 52,000 square feet (4,800 m2) of architectural precast, 39,000 square feet (3,600 m2) of insulation, and 13,654 square feet (1,268.5 m2) of steel louvres.[6][15]
The building, designed by architecture firm Ellerbe Becket, has been criticized by some in Portland's architectural community. A survey of local architects and planners was conducted by the Portland Tribune, and subsequently the Rose Garden was listed among the five ugliest buildings in the city.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Well I haven't been to many that many arenas, so I'll take your word for it.

I didn't find anything about the remodeled suites but this from wiki:

The Rose Garden is a precast concrete-framed structure with a roof made up of skeletal steel. The arena structure encloses a total of over 785,000 square feet (72,900 m2), on eight levels, five of which are open to the public. The building is 140 feet (43 m), from the event floor to the pinnacle of the saddle-shaped roof.[6] The arena includes a 60 by 40 feet (18 m × 12 m) permanent stage, and a 200 by 85 feet (61 m × 26 m) ice rink.[14]
The building is composed of over 48,000 cubic yards (37,000 m3) of concrete, and over 9,700 short tons (8,800 t) of steel. The exterior is composed of over 29,000 square feet (2,700 m2) of glass, 17,500 square feet (1,630 m2) of plaster, 52,000 square feet (4,800 m2) of architectural precast, 39,000 square feet (3,600 m2) of insulation, and 13,654 square feet (1,268.5 m2) of steel louvres.[6][15]
The building, designed by architecture firm Ellerbe Becket, has been criticized by some in Portland's architectural community. A survey of local architects and planners was conducted by the Portland Tribune, and subsequently the Rose Garden was listed among the five ugliest buildings in the city.

Edit:

Still didn't find anything about remodeled luxury suites, so I was wrong about that. Also, during my search yelp gives the Rose Garden good reviews. I don't know why I have it in my head that it was built cheaply, but couldn't find info on it so probably wrong.

 

[Run BJM]

Best part for me is the location. Caltrain lets people get shitfaced on the trains and the end of the line is a few blocks from AT&T Park (this arena is just a few blocks further up).

Downside is tickets are going to be crazy expensive. Its projected to have a low seating capacity, combine that with moving from Oak to SF and the Warriors maybe actually performing consistently the next few years, a lot of people are going to be priced out. Meanwhile the yuppie douchebag ratio will skyrocket.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

The RG is a concrete bunker.

The commons area is easily one of the worst in the nba. Feels like LAX airport.

 

[Stevenson]

What are you guys talking about? I have been to lots of arenas and the RG compares nicely to them all. Its not a vortex like the Staples Center, or old like MSG (even redone), or cluncky like Arco. Very nice arena, nice sight-lines, nice amenities, good looking, easy to park and leave, etc.

 

[Stevenson]

The building, designed by architecture firm Ellerbe Becket, has been criticized by some in Portland's architectural community. A survey of local architects and planners was conducted by the Portland Tribune, and subsequently the Rose Garden was listed among the five ugliest buildings in the city.[/I]

"The architectural community" - the same clowns who had the concrete box, errr, the Memorial Coliseum, deemed a landmark. Yeah, we should really trust their judgment.

 

[julius]

Well I haven't been to many that many arenas, so I'll take your word for it.

I didn't find anything about the remodeled suites but this from wiki:

The Rose Garden is a precast concrete-framed structure with a roof made up of skeletal steel. The arena structure encloses a total of over 785,000 square feet (72,900 m2), on eight levels, five of which are open to the public. The building is 140 feet (43 m), from the event floor to the pinnacle of the saddle-shaped roof.[6] The arena includes a 60 by 40 feet (18 m × 12 m) permanent stage, and a 200 by 85 feet (61 m × 26 m) ice rink.[14]
The building is composed of over 48,000 cubic yards (37,000 m3) of concrete, and over 9,700 short tons (8,800 t) of steel. The exterior is composed of over 29,000 square feet (2,700 m2) of glass, 17,500 square feet (1,630 m2) of plaster, 52,000 square feet (4,800 m2) of architectural precast, 39,000 square feet (3,600 m2) of insulation, and 13,654 square feet (1,268.5 m2) of steel louvres.[6][15]
The building, designed by architecture firm Ellerbe Becket, has been criticized by some in Portland's architectural community. A survey of local architects and planners was conducted by the Portland Tribune, and subsequently the Rose Garden was listed among the five ugliest buildings in the city.

I don't think it's one of the ugliest, but it's sure not a great design. I wish the design had been more artsy, but the problem with that is, 1993 artsy would look even more dated than the RG does.

I think views of the city, from the inside, would've been so much nicer. That was one thing that was neat about the MC.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

PSU Viking Pavillion (soon to be) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RG

 

[jlprk]

Yes, your memory's off. First time I've ever read anyone say it was built cheaply.

But for cost to the taxpayers, it was the cheapest stadium in the NBA.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Yes, your memory's off. First time I've ever read anyone say it was built cheaply.

But for cost to the taxpayers, it was the cheapest stadium in the NBA.

Excuse me, only us in the expensive seats are missing out :


Bickering over the renovations aside, top execs from the Blazers and Philadelphia-based Global Spectrum, which assumed arena operations in January, say their relationship is generally good. Global Spectrum essentially retained Isaac's OAC staffers at their existing salaries.
"There's been disagreements that we're working through, but we continue to hope those will be resolved," Isaac said. "We were an affiliated company that no longer runs the place, and because of that, there are a million issues that have to be worked out with the new owners."
Both sides do agree that the renovations are necessary even though the arena, which opened in 1995, is relatively young.
From Global Spectrum's standpoint, fans sitting in the expensive seats are more likely to hold longer-term seating contracts. They're being asked to purchase the premium seats and services as the Blazers, one of the NBA's weaker units, rebuild their on-the-court product.
"You want to provide the best product and the best experience for the fans," said Scanlon. "Or even if you come to a concert and a superstar singer has a bad night, you want to have the amenities in place. We can't control the wins and losses, but we can control things like the parking and the food."
To that end, Global Spectrum is installing kitchens in its new club-level lounges. That way, food won't have to be transported from the arena's lower-level kitchens. Global Spectrum is also modifying the levels' existing bars, which border on the makeshift.
"The setups right now are just tired," Scanlon said. "It's 10 years old, it just needs to be freshened up."
Paul Swangard, who heads the Warsaw Sports Marketing Center at the University of Oregon, doesn't think Global Spectrum can solve all problems overnight.
"They talked to different customers at different price points, and found that customers in the premium seating areas were paying premium prices and not getting a premium experience, either on or off the court," he said.
As they address fans' desires, Global Spectrum also hopes to fortify the arena's relatively meager sponsor base. The firm is adding light-emitting diode signs that will ring the arena bowl, which will allow sponsors to advertise more prominently during games.
The Rose Garden is the last NBA arena to install the technology, Scanlon said.

 

[jlprk]

Where's it say it was built cheaply? It just says that its aging needs to be patched up. Like a 10-year-old luxury car.

 

[NOVoodoo]

Warriors' new arena plan:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-b...n-francisco-skyline-waterfront-155239078.html

I'm trying to figure out where in the arena that glass wall is. At first, I thought you could just walk up from the street and look in, but the more I look at it, it makes more sense that it'd be a balcony area.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Where's it say it was built cheaply? It just says that its aging needs to be patched up. Like a 10-year-old luxury car.

You got me there. Doesn't say it was built cheaply. They just need to renovate the luxury seating experience by installing kitchens and modifying bars even though the arena is relatively young.

And that 10 year old luxury car that needs to be patched up . . . sounds like a cheaply made luxury car.

 

[STOMP]

As if I didn't have enough incentive to move to the Bay area before.

I really hope this gets accepted.

if this gets accepted & assuming I don't relocate, I'll be able to walk to Warriors (as well as Giants) games. Bring it on

STOMP