OT: TRUEHOOP HoopIdea: The 4 Pointer

[dviss1]

Thoughts? Dame would Kill IMO.

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[BigGameDamian]

I like it! While we are on the topic of rules in the NBA. I absolutely hate the rule that you can jump out of bounds and save the ball off another player. I don't mind that fact you can jump out of bounds and save the ball before it hits the floor but if you intentionally throw the ball off another player that should result in a team penalty. How about +1 free throw? That just gets me going when I see that.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I would rather see the 3pt alley oop. If the ball is thrown behind the 3pt line and as long as the receiving player doesn't touch the ground before shooting the ball the made basket counts for 3pts.

A 4pt shot would just encourage players to jack up a hell of a lot of ugly shots from the outside.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

It's nuts, but man would Dame be awesome or what? He shoots over 40% at 28-30 feet already which is like shooting over 80% at 15 feet in that system. It also makes a 4-point lead a one possession game.

I also like the 5-pointer at half court or back, but only in the last minute of the game. That might be too bush league though.

 

[Strenuus]

I like it! While we are on the topic of rules in the NBA. I absolutely hate the rule that you can jump out of bounds and save the ball off another player. I don't mind that fact you can jump out of bounds and save the ball before it hits the floor but if you intentionally throw the ball off another player that should result in a team penalty. How about +1 free throw? That just gets me going when I see that.

Why penalize a smart play to gain a possession? You're trying to get your team another shot...

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I would rather see the 3pt alley oop. If the ball is thrown behind the 3pt line and as long as the receiving player doesn't touch the ground before shooting the ball the made basket counts for 3pts.

A 4pt shot would just encourage players to jack up a hell of a lot of ugly shots from the outside.

And the three pointer doesn't? If you place the 4-point line where the league average is 22-23%, that balances the risk with the reward.

Alternatively, just widen the court a few feet in each direction and extend the three point line out to where the average is 30% (like the nfl extending the extra point kick) to keep up with shooters getting better; and get rid of the corner three being so much closer. That lowers the scores but keeps the difficulty hardcore.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

And the three pointer doesn't? If you place the 4-point line where the league average is 22-23%, that balances the risk with the reward.

Alternatively, just widen the court a few feet in each direction and extend the three point line out to where the average is 30% (like the nfl extending the extra point kick) to keep up with shooters getting better; and get rid of the corner three being so much closer. That lowers the scores but keeps the difficulty hardcore.

I think a 3pt alley oop would spread the court and add excitement at the basket in late game situations. Also, and I have no way to prove it or find out, but I think more alley oops end in a and 1 then fouls on made 3pt shots. A potential 4pt play at the basket would be a good thing for the game.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Funny, I think shots past half court should be 2s instead of 3s. But, I do like the 4s.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

This right here is a perfect example, this should be a 3pt basket. Batum is beyond the 3pt line when he throws the ball, Lillard catches it in the air and dunks it. If Lillard was fouled when he dunked it he would get the and 1 and have a potential 4pt play.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Funny, I think shots past half court should be 2s instead of 3s. But, I do like the 4s.

What about some crazy data driven scoring that changes every season? Like a dunk is always 1 point and then you add 1 point in arcs out from the key such that the area where players averaged 45% last season is worth two, where they average 30% is worth three, there they average 22% is worth 4, but keep it going out to full court, where if a shot from the opposite basket averages 1%, it's worth 50 points

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[ponderguy]

This right here is a perfect example, this should be a 3pt basket. Batum is beyond the 3pt line when he throws the ball, Lillard catches it in the air and dunks it. If Lillard was fouled when he dunked it he would get the and 1 and have a potential 4pt play.

the clippers would never lose a game!

 

[BlazerCaravan]

the clippers would never lose a game!

No kidding!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

the clippers would never lose a game!

Lots of their alley oops comes from when CP3 is driving to the basket, the defense collapses on him and he tosses the ball up to the rim for a teammate to flush. That would still be a 2pt alley oop because CP3 is inside the 3pt line.

 

[ponderguy]

Lots of their alley oops comes from when CP3 is driving to the basket, the defense collapses on him and he tosses the ball up to the rim for a teammate to flush. That would still be a 2pt alley oop because CP3 is inside the 3pt line.

sure but he'd adjust and start throwing them from 3 if it meant an extra point each time

 

[SlyPokerDog]

sure but he'd adjust and start throwing them from 3 if it meant an extra point each time

I don't think a 2nd 3pt option that could grow to be as popular as the current 3pt option would be a bad thing. More dunks, more scoring, more excitement. I'd rather see a 2nd way to score 3pts then adding a new way to score 4pts.

 

[handiman]

This right here is a perfect example, this should be a 3pt basket. Batum is beyond the 3pt line when he throws the ball, Lillard catches it in the air and dunks it. If Lillard was fouled when he dunked it he would get the and 1 and have a potential 4pt play.

For an alley-oop to count as the number of points from where the pass was thrown, wouldn't that make it offensive basket interference? That would really muddy the rules.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

a sniper type would eventually make them regret it

 

[e_blazer]

I'm not against the idea of a 4 point shot, but how about something even a little bit more innovative and give defensive points? One point each for a block, steal, or charge. Wait...that wouldn't exactly work to the Blazers' advantage. Scratch that.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Why penalize a smart play to gain a possession? You're trying to get your team another shot...

Throwing the ball off another player that is going for the same ball is a cheap way of getting the ball back. I just don't like it and I never have. Saving the ball to another teammate is fine but throwing it off of another player to save the ball is cheap.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

For an alley-oop to count as the number of points from where the pass was thrown, wouldn't that make it offensive basket interference? That would really muddy the rules.

It doesn't count for offensive basket interference now.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Throwing the ball off another player that is going for the same ball is a cheap way of getting the ball back. I just don't like it and I never have. Saving the ball to another teammate is fine but throwing it off of another player to save the ball is cheap.

it does seem odd that it is not only legal but advantageous to spike the ball off another players face

 

[handiman]

It doesn't count for offensive basket interference now.

You'd be changing the interpretation of who is taking the shot, though.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

You'd be changing the interpretation of who is taking the shot, though.

The player dunking the shot is the one taking it. I'm saying it's worth more if the initiating play originated past the 3pt line.

 

[dviss1]

I like it! While we are on the topic of rules in the NBA. I absolutely hate the rule that you can jump out of bounds and save the ball off another player. I don't mind that fact you can jump out of bounds and save the ball before it hits the floor but if you intentionally throw the ball off another player that should result in a team penalty. How about +1 free throw? That just gets me going when I see that.

Let's be glad you're not a rule maker. So you want to penalize hustle? You do that rule and then an out of bounds A1 can't hit it off of B1's back (ala pippen) and then get in bounds and score.

That will never happen. GTFO of the way. I like that you can do it. Why don't you?

 

[dviss1]

This right here is a perfect example, this should be a 3pt basket. Batum is beyond the 3pt line when he throws the ball, Lillard catches it in the air and dunks it. If Lillard was fouled when he dunked it he would get the and 1 and have a potential 4pt play.

Terrible. I hope that never happens. Batum isn't shooting so he shouldn't get 3 points for a pass.

 

[dviss1]

For an alley-oop to count as the number of points from where the pass was thrown, wouldn't that make it offensive basket interference? That would really muddy the rules.

As a ref, I'm good. It requires too much looking toward the basket and not at the players. What happens if the pass is thrown inside of the cylinder?
Policing that would be HELL. Gives us one more thing to do and understand we already have plenty.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

As a ref, I'm good. It requires too much looking toward the basket and not at the players. What happens if the pass is thrown inside of the cylinder?
Policing that would be HELL. Gives us one more thing to do and understand we already have plenty.

Look at the Batum/Lillard gif again. There are 3 refs in the NBA. There is one right there. Seems like one of the easier calls to make. And if they miss it they can also ask for a replay when play stops like they do with current 3pt shots.

 

[dviss1]

Look at the Batum/Lillard gif again. There are 3 refs in the NBA. There is one right there. Seems like one of the easier calls to make. And if they miss it they can also ask for a replay when play stops like they do with current 3pt shots.

That's because you don't know what each referee is supposed to be looking at. That play is and always will be the Trail official's call (furthest away from the basket). He has enough to look at. It will NEVER be the Lead's call (official under the basket). He/she better not EVER even see the rim. Too busy looking at bodies. Again, policing that would be HELL. It would take 2 referees to call that (that will simply never happen) since Lillard is coming from the Center Official's primary area of responsibility.

 

[Strenuus]

Look at the Batum/Lillard gif again. There are 3 refs in the NBA. There is one right there. Seems like one of the easier calls to make. And if they miss it they can also ask for a replay when play stops like they do with current 3pt shots.

What he's saying is that each official has something to look at when a shot is going up (whether it be an alley-oop or just a shot). Usually the baseline official is looking at the key (or just below the circle) to see if any activity is going on there. The official nearest the shot at the 3 is supposed to keep his eye on the shooter and the closest defender (Think of Jamal Crawford) although, if you watch some replays, some do not do this.

That leaves the official usually furthest from the play (Scott foster anyone?) to call this.