OT: Warriors Acquire Jordan Crawford, MarShon Brooks In Trade With Celtics, Heat

[BigGameDamian]

So are we just going to sit back and watch the Worriers get better? I know it's a ways off but the Blazers could be the team the Blazers go up against in the playoffs.

The Golden State Warriors have acquired Jordan Crawford and Marshon Brooks for Toney Douglas and part of their traded player exception in a three-team trade with the Boston Celtics and Miami Heat.

The Warriors have been looking to improve their backcourt depth, with discussions also taking place for Kyle Lowry and Kirk Hinrich.

The Heat will acquire Douglas, while sending Joel Anthony to the Celtics.

The Celtics will also receive the protected future first round pick of the Philadelphia 76ers from the Heat, along with a future second round pick. The pick from the 76ers is lottery protected in 2014 and 2015 and then becomes a second rounder.

Brian Windhorst of ESPN reports that the deal will likely save upwards of $10 million for the Heat in salary and luxury tax. The Heat were scheduled to have a $33 million tax bill in July, but it is now approximately $15.5 million due to the trade of Anthony and their decision to amnesty Mike Miller.

 

[Eastoff]

Interesting. I don't know if we can get anyone to take on Dorrell Wright and scrubs or even Mo Williams. Those are the only big pieces we can really trade away without messing up our chemistry too much.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I know it's a ways off but the Blazers could be the team the Blazers go up against in the playoffs.

Not worried at all. If the Blazers end up in a playoff series against the Blazers the Blazers will win!

 

[BigGameDamian]

Interesting. I don't know if we can get anyone to take on Dorrell Wright and scrubs or even Mo Williams. Those are the only big pieces we can really trade away without messing up our chemistry too much.

Meyers Leonard or Thomas Robinson or maybe even Freeland if it's good enough.

 

[BlayZa]

yup, im backing us vs us too

 

[BlazerWookee]

yup, im backing us vs us too

Well, we have beat ourselves on more than one occasion already this season...

 

[Natebishop3]

Well, we have beat ourselves on more than one occasion already this season...

At least nine times, by my count.

 

[cmeese47]

Sounds like the Warriors got a couple pieces just got to wait and see how their rotation works out. Plus the Warriors still play terrible defense so adding two offensive guys won't help on that end.

 

[tlongII]

So are we just going to sit back and watch the Worriers get better? I know it's a ways off but the Blazers could be the team the Blazers go up against in the playoffs.

The Golden State Warriors have acquired Jordan Crawford and Marshon Brooks for Toney Douglas and part of their traded player exception in a three-team trade with the Boston Celtics and Miami Heat.

The Warriors have been looking to improve their backcourt depth, with discussions also taking place for Kyle Lowry and Kirk Hinrich.

The Heat will acquire Douglas, while sending Joel Anthony to the Celtics.

The Celtics will also receive the protected future first round pick of the Philadelphia 76ers from the Heat, along with a future second round pick. The pick from the 76ers is lottery protected in 2014 and 2015 and then becomes a second rounder.

Brian Windhorst of ESPN reports that the deal will likely save upwards of $10 million for the Heat in salary and luxury tax. The Heat were scheduled to have a $33 million tax bill in July, but it is now approximately $15.5 million due to the trade of Anthony and their decision to amnesty Mike Miller.

That's what I'm thinking too.

 

[blue9]

Well, we have beat ourselves on more than one occasion already this season...

If only we could figure out a way to exploit our lack of interior defense, then we'd really dominate ourselves!

 

[WarriorFan]

Sounds like the Warriors got a couple pieces just got to wait and see how their rotation works out. Plus the Warriors still play terrible defense so adding two offensive guys won't help on that end.

GS is the #4 def in the league behind ind, chi, and okc. It is the reason they have been able to survive a horrible 12 game stretch, no bench, and a recent curry shooting slum what they desperately needed was scoring off the bench

 

[illmatic99]

What is our biggest need right now?

Bench production? CJ is back and TRob is clearly improving.

Defense? every player on the team says this is more about effort than personnel or strategy.

Inside scoring? CJ seems like he can be a slasher, Dame should be able to finish better (at least get back to where he was last year), and RoLo is a definite scoring threat.

I don't see anything glaring here. And we don't have any pending financial/contract issues either. We look pretty damn good right now, and if healthy, we should have HCA for the first round at the least. Once we get a playoff run and teams begin to expose our deficiencies after a few 7 game series, we will better know what to look for in trades. No point in giving up assets in pursuit of something we might not need.

 

[Rhal]

I think our acquisition of a healthy CJ > Two chuckers in crawford and Brooks.

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[illmatic99]

I think Ainge won this deal. A future protected first from PHL (via MIA) to exchange scrubs essentially. He's been picking up so many assets lately.

 

[Natebishop3]

At this point I don't make a trade. CJ is developing, TRob is back in the rotation and hungry, and I am extremely happy with Joel. I guess at this point we just hope that Mo and Wright come out of their slump.

 

[WarriorFan]

I think our acquisition of a healthy CJ > Two chuckers in crawford and Brooks.

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I'd be shocked if Brooks plays, but CJ and Crawford seem pretty similar to me- at least their roles will be similar. I would hate to have to start Crawford but as the only scorer of the bench, I don't mind his chucker mentality. If he's having a horrible game, which he can definitely do, he gets yanked after 10 minutes and the W's are in the same position they are in now and if he is hot he can carry a team for stretches. We don't (at least I don't) have a clear picture on what CJ will end up being but as of now I'd expect CJ to be more efficient scoring, Crawford to be the better "point guard" and to be a more volatile scorer.

 

[WarriorFan]

I think Ainge won this deal. A future protected first from PHL (via MIA) to exchange scrubs essentially. He's been picking up so many assets lately.

Good deal for boston but I have no idea why Miami would do this. Douglas has a role as a plus defender of the bench but I can't imagine him playing over Chalmers or Cole.

 

[illmatic99]

Good deal for boston but I have no idea why Miami would do this. Douglas has a role as a plus defender of the bench but I can't imagine him playing over Chalmers or Cole.

Saves them on lux tax.

 

[BBert]

So are we just going to sit back and watch the Worriers?

Yes.

But I prefer to watch the Blazers continue to get better, and not worry about it.

 

[BBert]

At this point I don't make a trade. CJ is developing, TRob is back in the rotation and hungry, and I am extremely happy with Joel. I guess at this point we just hope that Mo and Wright come out of their slump.

I see signs that Mo may be coming around. Perhaps with CJ helping out and some improvement of our other backups Mo won't seem so desperate to do it all by himself?

 

[BrianFromWA]

Good deal for boston but I have no idea why Miami would do this. Douglas has a role as a plus defender of the bench but I can't imagine him playing over Chalmers or Cole.

Ends up about 10M in real cash being saved.

 

[BlazerBeav]

I think Ainge won this deal. A future protected first from PHL (via MIA) to exchange scrubs essentially. He's been picking up so many assets lately.

I heard that if the first round pick is a lottery pick in either 2014 or 2015, it reverts to two second round picks thereafter - and given the 76ers at present, that is likely.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Boston takes on the second year of Anthony's contract and gets what may/may not be a first along with a second.

Golden State gets two players for one.

Miami gets less of a luxury tax bill.

It is a win-win-win, but not anything earth shattering.

 

[BigGameDamian]

[/QUOTE]=yuyuza1;3226714]Defense? every player on the team says this is more about effort than personnel or strategy.

Oh that's just an excuse. This could be said about all teams on both ends of the court.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Ends up about 10M in real cash being saved.

RLEC-ish, no?

 

[blue9]

Defense? every player on the team says this is more about effort than personnel or strategy.

I'm a big believer in personnel NOT being a major factor in regards to how well or poorly a defense performs. I think good individual defenders factor in by taking a good defensive strategy and making it great through their individual efforts - but that's as far as individual defense can go. A team full of great individual defenders will be hopeless if they don't have a good scheme to work within.
So with that said, I agree that personnel is not an issue, and that our poor defense is largely due to effort. But it's also due to Stotts' strategy. It's a poorly designed defense, made worse by poor effort to close the lanes to the basket. Some of it could be masked if we had a real "rim protector" of a C. Lopez is fine, but he doesn't have natural instinct to turn away players in the paint. Or we could get a defensive coach to design a defense for us and teach our current players how to rotate. I don't know which is easiest/quickest/most likely to happen, but I don't see either change being made this season.

 

[BrianFromWA]

actually, a lot more like the Deng trade, on a smaller scale

 

[jlprk]

This may change the balance of power between the West and East. We will have to watch closely and see.

 

[Run BJM]

Boston takes on the second year of Anthony's contract and gets what may/may not be a first along with a second.

Golden State gets two players for one.

Miami gets less of a luxury tax bill.

It is a win-win-win, but not anything earth shattering.

This.

Love it for my Dubs though. The Toney Douglas expiriment was a bust. We badly needed another competent ballhandler/creator and someone who can run offense when Curry is off the floor. I don't know much about Crawford, but everything I read/see/hear makes him sound like Jarret Jack without a 3 pt shot. Even if he is inefficient, the team just needs ballhandlers/playmakers who can produce ANYTHING off the bench. Sounds like we got a solid bench player for Toney Douglas, which is a win.

The W's contemplated waiving Brooks before deciding to keep him. At this point I wouldn't mind him as a 10th man that you can throw into the bench unit when they flounder. Should get plenty of burn for the Santa Cruz Warriors.

 

[MickZagger]

This.

Love it for my Dubs though. The Toney Douglas expiriment was a bust. We badly needed another competent ballhandler/creator and someone who can run offense when Curry is off the floor. I don't know much about Crawford, but everything I read/see/hear makes him sound like Jarret Jack without a 3 pt shot. Even if he is inefficient, the team just needs ballhandlers/playmakers who can produce ANYTHING off the bench. Sounds like we got a solid bench player for Toney Douglas, which is a win.

The W's contemplated waiving Brooks before deciding to keep him. At this point I wouldn't mind him as a 10th man that you can throw into the bench unit when they flounder. Should get plenty of burn for the Santa Cruz Warriors.

I wouldn't compare him to Jack at all. Crawford is a volume shooter who is a natural shoot first guy, but was playing a distributing role in Boston. Kinda reminds me of Nick Young a little bit.