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Minstrel said:
I think he's worth significantly more than $4 mil/year, but a long-term big money deal wouldn't be a terribly good idea.
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Which does not contradict what I said...

The problem with ZBo is that he is a fantastic 15-20 minutes off the bench scoring threat - but he was paid like a superstar and that put the teams employing him in the position of playing him a lot to justify his salary. Given his bad defense and the bad influence he has on ball movement - paying $4m/year for him is a good deal. Paying more is probably a wise decision, basketball production wise - but you factor in all the other distractions that come with his off-court adventures and locker room influence - and it becomes questionable.
 
Did he have a tied up stripper in the back of his Rolls?:tsktsk:
 
andalusian said:
Which does not contradict what I said...
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Yeah, I didn't say you were wrong. Just that he's more than merely a better use of Frye's money. A separate point inspired by your words. ;)
 
Eric, were you out rollin with The Hoop Family last night?
 
zach suspended 2 games... that means he comes back vs us on sat.

amazingly... hes only played us once all year.
 
PapaG said:
So you're going to pay that tax on that?
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No, why should I? I was simply noting that just because he's not better than Aldridge doesn't mean that Randolph wouldn't be valuable on the team. I wouldn't pay his salary and if Allen doesn't want to, that would be fine too.
 
Minstrel said:
No, why should I? I was simply noting that just because he's not better than Aldridge doesn't mean that Randolph wouldn't be valuable on the team. I wouldn't pay his salary and if Allen doesn't want to, that would be fine too.
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He would be a fine addition if the Blazers were your fantasy basketball team. Unfortunately all of the baggage that Zach comes with FAR outweighs his stats. There is a reason Roy asked KP to trade his stupid ass. Honestly, I would rather have Frye. At least he isn't such a dick the rest of the team hates his guts.
 
We need to take some responsibility for how Zach has turned out. When he came here, he was a terrific garbage player. We never ran plays for him, we just let him clean the boards and score on put backs. Because of our dearth of talent, we turned him into a #1 option. Remember, this franchise had a great deal of frustration with trying to get Rasheed to take the reins of being the guy. Zach wants to please, so he took that lesson to heart.

Like the guy or hate him, he brought something new to his offensive game every year. He worked hard to come back from microfracture. His game has massive holes in it, but what he does well, he does extremely well. By the time we put some talent around him, we had ruined his game. He had spent a couple of years being the only above average starter on our team.

Oh, well. Zach got paid, so he's happy. We traded him, so we're happy. He likes weed, so drug dealers are happy. He likes strip clubs, so dancers are happy. The story could have turned out much worse.
 
Ya, when other players were hitting shots, we were winning and everyone wish Zach would play that way all the time, but when everyone else's shots stop dropping we'd go to Zach exclusively and the rest of the players would stand around and Zach would be called a selfish black hole.
 
maxiep said:
We need to take some responsibility for how Zach has turned out. When he came here, he was a terrific garbage player. We never ran plays for him, we just let him clean the boards and score on put backs. Because of our dearth of talent, we turned him into a #1 option. Remember, this franchise had a great deal of frustration with trying to get Rasheed to take the reins of being the guy. Zach wants to please, so he took that lesson to heart.
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I wish that the team, as I argued for at the time, would have brought him off the bench for one more year. Heavy minutes? Yes. More important role? Sure.

Starting as the focal point of the offense? No.

He probably still would have screwed himself up off the floor, but as a player I think he would have had to feel like he'd earned his minutes and been hungrier if he hadn't been handed the role he was after the Dallas series.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
I wish that the team, as I argued for at the time, would have brought him off the bench for one more year. Heavy minutes? Yes. More important role? Sure.

Starting as the focal point of the offense? No.

He probably still would have screwed himself up off the floor, but as a player I think he would have had to feel like he'd earned his minutes and been hungrier if he hadn't been handed the role he was after the Dallas series.

Ed O.
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In hindsight you are right on this, but you have to admit it would've been pretty ridiculous to bring a 20/10 guy off the bench. It's simply not done in the NBA, except on rare contending teams where it's an aging veteran to push them over the top.
 
mook said:
In hindsight you are right on this, but you have to admit it would've been pretty ridiculous to bring a 20/10 guy off the bench. It's simply not done in the NBA, except on rare contending teams where it's an aging veteran to push them over the top.
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The thing is he'd only had the good series against Dallas... he had played 16.9 mpg as a 21 year-old on a 50 win team in 2002-03.

Then Whitsitt left and Zach was starting (he started 80 of the 81 games in 2003-04). Bonzi and the team got off to a terrible start, Wells and Rasheed were given away, and the downward spiral began.

I think that he could have been given 25-30 minutes a game off the bench as a 22 year-old and it wouldn't have been the most insane thing ever.

Ed O.
 
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