Our parties suck!

[Further]

I tend to vote D as I am closer to their views than R, but it's bullshit that every issue has one side on the right and one on the left. The world is more complex than that. The Democrats tend to oversimplify 2nd amendment issues while the Republicans tend to oversimplify taxation issues. And then the one area that both of these damned parties agree on is over-funding our outrageous military industrial complex.

I'm not a fan of any of these sidebar candidates, but I'm getting to the point that I'll just end up voting for whatever non-two party candidate is doing the best, as some sort of a protest vote. I'm most certainly not a Libertarian, I think they have most things wrong, but it might be worth it to back one of them simply to shake up this shitty two party system. No other non D or R has a legit shot.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I tend to vote D as I am closer to their views than R, but it's bullshit that every issue has one side on the right and one on the left. The world is more complex than that. The Democrats tend to oversimplify 2nd amendment issues while the Republicans tend to oversimplify taxation issues. And then the one area that both of these damned parties agree on is over-funding our outrageous military industrial complex.

I'm not a fan of any of these sidebar candidates, but I'm getting to the point that I'll just end up voting for whatever non-two party candidate is doing the best, as some sort of a protest vote. I'm most certainly not a Libertarian, I think they have most things wrong, but it might be worth it to back one of them simply to shake up this shitty two party system. No other non D or R has a legit shot.

Preaching to the choir, but Amen! The two-party system is so outdated.

But in the end, all politicians need to check their privilege!

 

[3RA1N1AC]

would be worth voting libertarian or whatever really just to get them in the next cycles debates.

 

[STOMP]

Until the people root big money out of the election process, things are going to continue to spiral down the toilet. Unfortunately the Supreme Court keeps going out of their way to push us further in that direction, so we are getting shittier and shittier candidates & representation. To be viable in our current system, politicians have to whore themselves out to the highest bidder. D's & R's are chasing the same dollars thereby taking their marching orders from the same masters who for the most part don't care a bit about Americans.

STOMP

 

[Further]

Until the people root big money out of the election process, things are going to continue to spiral down the toilet. Unfortunately the Supreme Court keeps going out of their way to push us further in that direction, so we are getting shittier and shittier candidates & representation. To be viable in our current system, politicians have to whore themselves out to the highest bidder. D's & R's are chasing the same dollars thereby taking their marching orders from the same masters who for the most part don't care a bit about Americans.

STOMP

I totally agree with this!

I have no idea how to correct the situation.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

I have no idea how to correct the situation.

 

[Further]

Ya, but then what, we all become surrender monkeys and have to love soccer, striped shirts and stinky cheese?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

see: american cheese food product

 

[Further]

see: american cheese food product

Still better dead than red I suppose

 

[HailBlazers]

I totally agree with this!

I have no idea how to correct the situation.

Don't worry, Jesus does.

 

[Further]

Don't worry, Jesus does.

Then where is he and why doesn't he run for office?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Preaching to the choir, but Amen! The two-party system is so outdated.

But in the end, all politicians need to check their privilege!

This x10000000000000

 

[santeesioux]

Ya, but then what, we all become surrender monkeys and have to love soccer, striped shirts and stinky cheese?

Napoleon did pretty well for himself.

 

[Further]

Napoleon did pretty well for himself.

He even had to surrender to stomach cancer.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The biggest problem in our political system today neither party takes any responsibility and instead focuses on how bad the other party is. And everybody does it. It drives me crazy. Someone points out something a politician does or says and you immediately get people pointing out, "if you think that is bad look at what this guy did." Really? So as long as there is someone worse in a different political party it's okay what this dipshit says or does? Where is the pride in membership?

It would be like if Ford came out with a new commercial for the Mustang and all they talked about were the recalls that GM has. It would looking at yourself and deciding you're in great shape because you're not as fat as your 400lb neighbor.

I have always been somewhat conservative in my political beliefs, but that means I hold the republican party to a higher standard, not a standard that is, "hey, we're not as bad as the democrats!" What kind of bullshit is that? I don't need to hear why the democrats are bad, I need to hear why the republicans are right.

Currently we have this Moncia Wehby running for senate, lots of ad money being thrown around. And all she is saying is, "I'm going to repeal Obamacare." And? And then what? Healthcare was far from perfect before Obamacare. If you think Obamacare is not the answer then what should we replace it with? You actually think no healthcare reform is the answer? Tell me what you want to do to make things better, not what you think the other guys are doing that are bad.

 

[Further]

The biggest problem in our political system today neither party takes any responsibility and instead focuses on how bad the other party is. And everybody does it. It drives me crazy. Someone points out something a politician does or says and you immediately get people pointing out, "if you think that is bad look at what this guy did." Really? So as long as there is someone worse in a different political party it's okay what this dipshit says or does? Where is the pride in membership?

It would be like if Ford came out with a new commercial for the Mustang and all they talked about were the recalls that GM has. It would looking at yourself and deciding you're in great shape because you're not as fat as your 400lb neighbor.

I have always been somewhat conservative in my political beliefs, but that means I hold the republican party to a higher standard, not a standard that is, "hey, we're not as bad as the democrats!" What kind of bullshit is that? I don't need to hear why the democrats are bad, I need to hear why the republicans are right.

Currently we have this Moncia Wehby running for senate, lots of ad money being thrown around. And all she is saying is, "I'm going to repeal Obamacare." And? And then what? Healthcare was far from perfect before Obamacare. If you think Obamacare is not the answer then what should we replace it with? You actually think no healthcare reform is the answer? Tell me what you want to do to make things better, not what you think the other guys are doing that are bad.

Well said, and this problem persists in both parties.

There are very few exceptions, everyone spends their time pointing out flaws in others instead of trying to solve problems. I like Oregon Governor Kitzhaber, but I think he may be the only politician I can think of off hand that doesn't fall into the politician mold. On the national political side, most of the guys just point and complain. Look at the last presidential election. First in the Republican primary every last one of those candidates spent most of their time bashing. Then in the main election both Obama and Romney never spent any quality time really talking about how they were going to build a better future specifically, they instead just talked about how the other one would destroy all our hopes. I am interested in hearing Jeb Bush more because from what I have heard so far, he seems to have some solutions to discuss instead of just pointing fingers. I may not like his solutions, but at least discussing them is a step in the right direction.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The biggest problem in our political system today neither party takes any responsibility and instead focuses on how bad the other party is. And everybody does it. It drives me crazy. Someone points out something a politician does or says and you immediately get people pointing out, "if you think that is bad look at what this guy did." Really? So as long as there is someone worse in a different political party it's okay what this dipshit says or does? Where is the pride in membership?

It would be like if Ford came out with a new commercial for the Mustang and all they talked about were the recalls that GM has. It would looking at yourself and deciding you're in great shape because you're not as fat as your 400lb neighbor.

I have always been somewhat conservative in my political beliefs, but that means I hold the republican party to a higher standard, not a standard that is, "hey, we're not as bad as the democrats!" What kind of bullshit is that? I don't need to hear why the democrats are bad, I need to hear why the republicans are right.

Currently we have this Moncia Wehby running for senate, lots of ad money being thrown around. And all she is saying is, "I'm going to repeal Obamacare." And? And then what? Healthcare was far from perfect before Obamacare. If you think Obamacare is not the answer then what should we replace it with? You actually think no healthcare reform is the answer? Tell me what you want to do to make things better, not what you think the other guys are doing that are bad.

I take pride in that I killed this thread.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

The illusion of choice.

Btw sly, the last "big idea" guy that gained any traction was Obama, and it was mostly just a bunch of lies and bullshit. Talk is cheap.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The illusion of choice.

Btw sly, the last "big idea" guy that gained any traction was Obama, and it was mostly just a bunch of lies and bullshit. Talk is cheap.

True dat! But at least we have lots of proof that he is a liar.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I take pride in that I killed this thread.

You usually do.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Don't worry, Jesus does.

Then where is he and why doesn't he run for office?

He's probably still in Mexico because we won't let him across the border.

 

[Further]

He's probably still in Mexico because we won't let him across the border.

great response. Repped.

 

[Cryptkeeper]

Maybe we could get Rand Paul and Hillary Clinton to do a sort of co-presidency... Ted Cruz and Harry Reid could be Vice-Presidents.

 

[Denny Crane]

Ya, but then what, we all become surrender monkeys and have to love soccer, striped shirts and stinky cheese?

Napoleon. That's what came next.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Maybe we could get Rand Paul and Hillary Clinton to do a sort of co-presidency... Ted Cruz and Harry Reid could be Vice-Presidents.

In the early days, the VP was they guy who lost the presidency. Wonder what an Obama-Romney presidential term would look like.

 

[Denny Crane]

This is the guy that's spending many $millions to take out the Tea Party.

http://pagesix.com/2014/05/12/karl-rove-hillary-clinton-may-have-brain-damage/

 

[Denny Crane]

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Denny?

 

[MarAzul]

The biggest problem in our political system today neither party takes any responsibility and instead focuses on how bad the other party is. And everybody does it. It drives me crazy. Someone points out something a politician does or says and you immediately get people pointing out, "if you think that is bad look at what this guy did." Really? So as long as there is someone worse in a different political party it's okay what this dipshit says or does? Where is the pride in membership?

It would be like if Ford came out with a new commercial for the Mustang and all they talked about were the recalls that GM has. It would looking at yourself and deciding you're in great shape because you're not as fat as your 400lb neighbor.

I have always been somewhat conservative in my political beliefs, but that means I hold the republican party to a higher standard, not a standard that is, "hey, we're not as bad as the democrats!" What kind of bullshit is that? I don't need to hear why the democrats are bad, I need to hear why the republicans are right.

Currently we have this Moncia Wehby running for senate, lots of ad money being thrown around. And all she is saying is, "I'm going to repeal Obamacare." And? And then what? Healthcare was far from perfect before Obamacare. If you think Obamacare is not the answer then what should we replace it with? You actually think no healthcare reform is the answer? Tell me what you want to do to make things better, not what you think the other guys are doing that are bad.

Healthcare was fine until the governments got there hand in it. First they started regulating who could sell insurance in each State (most states taxed it). Then come Medicare, now that really screwed up most private retirement plans. I hated what it did to mine. Then we got the wonderful Ariska act. Among the plethora of crap this act did was codify the ability of employers to change retirement plans (health insurance ) by simple notifying the government.
Bye bye the concept of an employee/employer contract.

Quite frankly I can't think of a where the government intervention in healthcare has helped over the past 60 years period. Everything they did was a back step for me. They should restrict their efforts to the VA, that's about the only place they have Constitutional justification to administer healthcare. Of course you can see how that is going. Want the whole system in the same shape? I use the VA and like to have the private backup plan B. Plan B has been gutted by Obama Care.

I bought insurance through the exchange my former employer set us up with. The only Medicare plan available here in my county is a Medicare Advantage plan and the only Doctor in plan went out of business a couple months ago. No other doctors are taking new Medicare patients on.

I sure appreciate Obama giving my former employers the option, of providing insurance for me and wife and pay a tax to boot, or dropping our insurance coverage.
Great government help!

 

[blazerboy30]

I tend to vote D as I am closer to their views than R, but it's bullshit that every issue has one side on the right and one on the left. The world is more complex than that. The Democrats tend to oversimplify 2nd amendment issues while the Republicans tend to oversimplify taxation issues. And then the one area that both of these damned parties agree on is over-funding our outrageous military industrial complex.

I'm not a fan of any of these sidebar candidates, but I'm getting to the point that I'll just end up voting for whatever non-two party candidate is doing the best, as some sort of a protest vote. I'm most certainly not a Libertarian, I think they have most things wrong, but it might be worth it to back one of them simply to shake up this shitty two party system. No other non D or R has a legit shot.

When in doubt, vote for whoever isn't going to try to increase the amount of power they already have. Since you don't trust either party, why would you vote for one that will try to increase their influence?