P.Mills vs Bayless

[Nate Dogg]

I'm glad we ditched Bayless as a point guard. Patty mills is a much better point guard and can hit the 3-ball. Check out the stats for both players the last 5 games. Bayless had 2 games towards the end of dec that he didn't get playing time.

Mills:
12/28 17 min @ Den 1-4 FG, 0-2 3point, 1 steal, 1 blk, 1 TO, 2 rbs, 2 ast, 2pts
12/30 15 min @ Uth 1-7 FG, 0-2 3point, 1 rb, 1 ast, 2 pts
1/2 23 min vs Hou, 6-12 FG, 2-4 3point, 5 steals, 4 TO, 2 rbs, 5 ast, 14 pts
1/4 21 min @ Dal, 4-7 FG, 1-2 3point, 1 TO, 4 ast, 9pts
1/5 28 min @ Hou, 5-9 FG, 4-7 3point, 1 steal, 1 TO, 3 ast, 14 pts.

Bayless:
12/19 18 min vs LaL, 1-7 FG, 0-2 3point, 2 steals, 2 TO, 2 rbs, 4 ast, 4 pts
12/27 17 min @ Mem, 3-7 FG, 1-5 3point, 3 TO, 1 ast, 7 pts
12/28 33 min @ Dal, 2-10 FG, 0-2 3point, 2 steals, 4 TO, 6 rbs, 8 ast, 4 pts
12/31 8 min @Hou, 1 ast, 0 pts
1/4 31 min @ CHI, 4-10 FG, 1-3 3 point, 2 TO, 3 rbs, 8 ast, 11 points

 

[Ed O]

Bayless had food poisoning in December and then severely sprained his ankle in Houston. Against the Bulls he could barely run but had to play because Calderon was even more dinged up.

Mills might be better, but using the last couple of weeks as evidence of Bayless's capabilities isn't a good idea.

Ed O.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Patty Mills > Bayless.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Patty is a pure shooter. I haven't felt this confident in a Blazers' outside jumper since James Jones.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I don't think too much of either guy in terms of their ability to set teammates up, but I do like Patty's ability to spread the floor and he seems to get on with his teammates better than Jerryd did (purely subjective I know).

Either way, I think we're still minus a long-term solution to the position -- though I'll be perfectly happy if Patty stays in a backup role.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Patty is a better PG, Bayless is a better basketball player, IMO.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Patty is a better PG, Bayless is a better basketball player, IMO.

This....maybe. I still think bayless is the better Pg. Look what he did when he started for Calderon

 

[hasoos]

Different players IMO, and I still don't think the decision was made correctly.

Mills is only effective if scoring and setting players up. Defensively he is a pesky pest at best.

Bayless is more intense. More of his shots are going to the rim and less are outside. He is better defensively.

The decision to get rid of Bayless was still a mistake IMO. At end of season least year, he was our #3 best guard, and Mills was on that team too. Bayless had beat Rudy out for minutes, and was Millers primary backup. Do you think Mills could drop 30+ on San Antonio on the road and get us a win? I doubt it. Maybe if he got really hot from 3 point land.

Bayless last DNP's have been because the fact he has been hurt, not because he just registered a DNP.

 

[illmatic99]

Check out the stats for both players the last 5 games. Bayless had 2 games towards the end of dec that he didn't get playing time.

Might want to do some research before throwing out stuff like that. Jerryd hurt his ankle really badly in their win against Dallas and had to leave the game on crutches. Before that, he was battling the stomach flu.

 

[LameR]

Patty is a better PG, Bayless is a better basketball player, IMO.

This. And as mentioned before, bad idea with the sample size. Bayless has had some great games this year, although he of course has had much more of an opportunity than Patty.

 

[hasoos]

This still may end up panning out. The fact is, what is done is done. Now we have to hope that New Orleans Jarrett Jack's themselves right out of the playoffs and into the lotto.

 

[MickZagger]

Bayless hasn't really impressed Jay Triano. When Calderon's healthy Bayless usually gets close to the least minutes on the team. Kind of telling on a team like Toronto, eh?

 

[Ed O]

Bayless hasn't really impressed Jay Triano. When Calderon's healthy Bayless usually gets close to the least minutes on the team. Kind of telling on a team like Toronto, eh?

You're wrong.

Ed O.

 

[Minstrel]

Patty is a better PG, Bayless is a better basketball player, IMO.

I don't think Mills is a better point guard...I think he's essentially the same style of player as Bayless, just not as good.

In terms of numerical evidence, they have similar assist rates and Mills has the higher turnover rate.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I don't think Mills is a better point guard...I think he's essentially the same style of player as Bayless, just not as good.

In terms of numerical evidence, they have similar assist rates and Mills has the higher turnover rate.

I don't think they are the same style of player. I don't see Mills as the slashing, drive to the hoop, use your jumping ability to draw the foul type of PG.

Also, my recollection is that Bayless rarely got the offensive in a flow the way Mills has been able to do . . . not that Mills is great, but as a backup PG Mills seems to get the team offense running beter than Bayless.

I'm not a numbers guy, more a general overall feeling. But overall I'm guessing the Blazers felt (and NO)that Bayless wasn't the right fit as a backup PG.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I don't think they are the same style of player. I don't see Mills as the slashing, drive to the hoop, use your jumping ability to draw the foul type of PG.

Also, my recollection is that Bayless rarely got the offensive in a flow the way Mills has been able to do . . . not that Mills is great, but as a backup PG Mills seems to get the team offense running beter than Bayless.

I'm not a numbers guy, more a general overall feeling. But overall I'm guessing the Blazers felt (and NO)that Bayless wasn't the right fit as a backup PG.

No doubt in my mind. Cho came in and evaluated all our players and his conclusion (IMO) was that Bayless was not the kind of PG he wanted for this team and Wes was better than Martel. Those two were basically released. Not that they were bad, just that they had seen enough of both and decided to go another direction.

 

[hasoos]

I don't think they are the same style of player. I don't see Mills as the slashing, drive to the hoop, use your jumping ability to draw the foul type of PG.

Also, my recollection is that Bayless rarely got the offensive in a flow the way Mills has been able to do . . . not that Mills is great, but as a backup PG Mills seems to get the team offense running beter than Bayless.

I'm not a numbers guy, more a general overall feeling. But overall I'm guessing the Blazers felt (and NO)that Bayless wasn't the right fit as a backup PG.

I see this as spot on. Bayless would make plays, but they were what I call "Jerky". Everything wasn't "On the money". This made him not liked by a lot of fans. It didn't really bother me because a lot of guys are like that their first few years only to smooth out in year 3 or 4, and since the team was still in the progress stage, it didn't bother me much. The fact that he went balls out on effort every night was something I value in a player.

 

[mook]

I don't think Mills is a better point guard...I think he's essentially the same style of player as Bayless, just not as good.

Not really. Mills is a decent perimeter shooter who fucks up most times he tries to pass or finish on the drive, although he's a decent penetrator.

Bayless is also a decent penetrator, but he can finish sometimes and he's very good at drawing fouls. But he's just as piss-poor at passing on the drive.

Quite different styles. But it's hard to get excited about either as a starter, particularly at PG.

 

[B-Roy]

I think Patty has a better jumpshot. That's about it. Bayless is better at everything else.

 

[Minstrel]

I don't think they are the same style of player. I don't see Mills as the slashing, drive to the hoop, use your jumping ability to draw the foul type of PG.

By same style of player, I didn't mean that do things the same way on the court. I meant that both are scoring guards with some passing ability who are undersized for the shooting guard position.

Also, my recollection is that Bayless rarely got the offensive in a flow the way Mills has been able to do . . . not that Mills is great, but as a backup PG Mills seems to get the team offense running beter than Bayless.

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. I don't feel that Mills is particularly good at creating flow for the offense, or better at it than Bayless, but is really more of a scorer off the bench.

But overall I'm guessing the Blazers felt (and NO)that Bayless wasn't the right fit as a backup PG.

I think it's entirely possible, even likely, that you're correct about the Blazers' thinking in making the trade. I don't think Mills is a good fit for backup point guard either, though, and I wish they had kept the superior talent, which is Bayless in my opinion.

 

[Minstrel]

Not really. Mills is a decent perimeter shooter who fucks up most times he tries to pass or finish on the drive, although he's a decent penetrator.

Bayless is also a decent penetrator, but he can finish sometimes and he's very good at drawing fouls. But he's just as piss-poor at passing on the drive.

Quite different styles. But it's hard to get excited about either as a starter, particularly at PG.

Again, you and Treaty_Of_Batum are mistaking what I mean by "same style of player" (though I'll grant that it was an ambiguous usage). What I meant is that both are scoring guards with some passing ability (but little distributing vision, at least right now) who are undersized for the shooting guard position.

 

[MickZagger]

You're wrong.

Ed O.

Care to bring facts?

When Calderon is healthy and starting Bayless is averaging around 15 minutes a game. Its between him and Julian Wright for least minutes on the team. That is, when Calderon is healthy and starting. When he's not, Bayless is the PG by default.

 

[PapaG]

No doubt in my mind. Cho came in and evaluated all our players and his conclusion (IMO) was that Bayless was not the kind of PG he wanted for this team and Wes was better than Martel. Those two were basically released. Not that they were bad, just that they had seen enough of both and decided to go another direction.

Martell was traded on draft night. Cho wasn't the GM then.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Martell was traded on draft night. Cho wasn't the GM then.

Oh yeah............What the hell was I thinking? Maybe it was my conclusion and I projected over on Cho.

 

[J~Rush]

The offense runs much better with Mills than with Bayless. With Bayless it was either stand in one spot and wait for a pick then drive to the basket or size up his defender and shoot a 3.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Oh yeah............What the hell was I thinking? Maybe it was my conclusion and I projected over on Cho.

And Matthews was signed after Martell was traded and before Cho was interviewed for the GM position. Cho had absolutely nothing to do with trading Webster or signing Matthews.

He did trade Bayless to NO for a future draft pick, though. Oh, and he signed both Oberto and Marks. Not exactly an impressive resume so far.

BNM

 

[Nate Dogg]

Mills did have some nice backdoor passes against Houston that I was impressed with. Seems to me he likes to run around the key more than bayless did and has better vision and patience. Bayless just seemed to travel down the center of the court, drive the lane and hoped he would get fouled underneith the basket.
Heres Bayless what I'm talking about with his style. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMXkADZF4oQ
I would rather have a more diverse point guard (Mills) who can find his teammates, creating assists, and throwing off his opponent and knocking down a 3. Bayless style just seems redundant and i remember his shots getting rejected a few times.

 

[Nate Dogg]

Heres some bayless highlights while he was a blazer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDOxoaJ8dlQ
Heres another clip of bayless vs the pistons on 12/11/2010. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awaSYsc0-hk
His style is quick to drive to the basket but in my mind he doesn't have great court vision to pass the ball underneith right by the basket. He would just rather just drive and hope that he would get fouled.

 

[ripcity67]

Since we are having such a hard time deciding which is better then I will take Mills and a draft pick over just Bayless. Isn't that what we need to be discussing since Cho saw that there would not be any minutes for one of these players and he moved one for a future asset, isn't that his job? I know we bash Cho since he hasn't traded a bag of chips for Lebron yet, but in the Bayless trade I think he did a good job getting something for a player that was a duplicate (in terms of impact) for us.

 

[B-Roy]

Mills did have some nice backdoor passes against Houston that I was impressed with. Seems to me he likes to run around the key more than bayless did and has better vision and patience. Bayless just seemed to travel down the center of the court, drive the lane and hoped he would get fouled underneith the basket.
Heres Bayless what I'm talking about with his style. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMXkADZF4oQ
I would rather have a more diverse point guard (Mills) who can find his teammates, creating assists, and throwing off his opponent and knocking down a 3. Bayless style just seems redundant and i remember his shots getting rejected a few times.

They have the same assist rate this season...

And Bayless's 3PT shot with Toronto is only 2% less than Patty's.