P.Mills vs Bayless

[mook]

I think Bayless, Mills, Armon Johnson and that pick (assuming NOH continues to play at a .500 pace, as they have recently) all have pretty similar overall value. One of those guys probably has a better career than the rest, but it's impossible for me to say which at this point. If I was forced to choose, I'd probably go with Armon.

Anyway, Bayless was entering a stage of his career where he was going to demand PT and his rookie contract was shorter, whereas none of those other pieces were in that position. So the team gained more flexibility in trading him away. In hindsight it seems like a pretty decent move.

 

[Ed O]

I think Bayless, Mills, Armon Johnson and that pick (assuming NOH continues to play at a .500 pace, as they have recently) all have pretty similar overall value. One of those guys probably has a better career than the rest, but it's impossible for me to say which at this point. If I was forced to choose, I'd probably go with Armon.

Anyway, Bayless was entering a stage of his career where he was going to demand PT and his rookie contract was shorter, whereas none of those other pieces were in that position. So the team gained more flexibility in trading him away. In hindsight it seems like a pretty decent move.

Hmm... I don't think that Bayless is closer to unrestricted free agency than either Johnson or Mills (since they're second rounders), although I might be mistaken.

Ed O.

 

[maxiep]

The fact is that we could have had both. We could use T-Rex right now. And if we trade Miller and don't get a PG in return, then it's going to be an interesting rest of the season.

I'm glad everyone gets along on this team, but I think there's also room for an a-hole. I liked Bayless' dyspeptic disposition.

 

[Draco]

I think Bayless, Mills, Armon Johnson and that pick (assuming NOH continues to play at a .500 pace, as they have recently) all have pretty similar overall value. One of those guys probably has a better career than the rest, but it's impossible for me to say which at this point. If I was forced to choose, I'd probably go with Armon.

Anyway, Bayless was entering a stage of his career where he was going to demand PT and his rookie contract was shorter, whereas none of those other pieces were in that position. So the team gained more flexibility in trading him away. In hindsight it seems like a pretty decent move.

Pretty similar to my outlook. I project all of Bayless/Mills/Armon as career NBA bench players, which are quite replaceable every offseason. Getting rid of Bayless before he becomes disgruntled and gaining a first rounder was and is a good trade for the Blazers.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Well all I know is that if this new and improved Aldridge is here to stay then neither Patty or Jerryd is ideal to pair with him; both guys call their own number far too often and neither seems to possess the kinds of setup skills that a post scorer needs to flourish. The only guys that consistently put LMA in a good position to score and look for him when he seals his man are Miller, Camby and Rudy and will any of them be here after the trade deadline or the lockout?

I swear this franchise's search for a long-term point guard in the last decade feels like the hunt for El Dorado at times.

 

[mook]

Hmm... I don't think that Bayless is closer to unrestricted free agency than either Johnson or Mills (since they're second rounders), although I might be mistaken.

Ed O.

Come to think of it, I don't know either.

Oh well. Even if that reason gets set aside, I think the rest still stands. There comes a point where a young mediocre player is no longer "just happy to be there" and wants his spot in the spotlight. I got the feeling Bayless was about there. I know you'd probably say, "Shut up and suffer dude," which is probably true. But if you can avoid that scenario by swapping him out for a likely similar yet younger value (as we did with that pick) you might as well.

 

[MickZagger]

Care to bring facts?

Didn't think so.

 

[Ed O]

Care to bring facts?

When Calderon is healthy and starting Bayless is averaging around 15 minutes a game. Its between him and Julian Wright for least minutes on the team. That is, when Calderon is healthy and starting. When he's not, Bayless is the PG by default.

Sorry I missed this post.

You're pulling that 15 mpg number out of your ass. In any case, 15mpg does not put him as the 12th-to-15th fewest minutes per game on the team.

Ed O.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Toronto may be looking for another PG:

Toronto Raptors point guard Jose Calderon(notes) was out earlier this week and the team "looked lost offensively" in losses to the Boston Celtics and Chicago Bulls, the Toronto Sun reports. Then Calderon returned Wednesday, scoring 20 points and assisting 17 times, to help the team to a 120-105 win over the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Raptors coach Jay Triano told the Sun that his other two point guards -- Jerryd Bayless(notes) and Leandro Barbosa(notes)- - "are more scorers, sometimes we don't get the movement that we need [when they are playing the point]. It makes a world of difference."


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Raptors-looking-for-point-guard-?urn=nba-304616

This is what I've been saying about Bayless in Ptd. He can score, but is not an effective PG (yet?).

 

[MickZagger]

Toronto may be looking for another PG:

Toronto Raptors point guard Jose Calderon(notes) was out earlier this week and the team "looked lost offensively" in losses to the Boston Celtics and Chicago Bulls, the Toronto Sun reports. Then Calderon returned Wednesday, scoring 20 points and assisting 17 times, to help the team to a 120-105 win over the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Raptors coach Jay Triano told the Sun that his other two point guards -- Jerryd Bayless(notes) and Leandro Barbosa(notes)- - "are more scorers, sometimes we don't get the movement that we need [when they are playing the point]. It makes a world of difference."


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Raptors-looking-for-point-guard-?urn=nba-304616

This is what I've been saying about Bayless in Ptd. He can score, but is not an effective PG (yet?).

Uh duh. C'mon Raptors management, you should've known this when you traded Jack for him.

Meanwhile, that pick is looking better and better every week.

 

[jlprk]

This season, when Bayless plays over 24 minutes, he has good effectiveness points. Under 24 minutes, he sucks.

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketbal...tors/players/jerryd-bayless/gamelog/11/28/444

We used pick #55 to get Mills, but #11 on Bayless. Therefore, Mills has played above expectation, Bayless below, and Mills deserves to be more popular. He is with me.

 

[Nate Dogg]

J~Rush - Exactly, at least Mills runs around trying to shake off his man, while others try to set screens. And Mills can do quick breaks too and pull up a jumper.

 

[Nate Dogg]

Heres more Mills highlights vs the kings on 3/2/11
[video=youtube;yHigz-4H8oE]

Bayless stats: 14.6 min per game (last 10 games) 7.7 points per game, 3.4 assists per game, 2.4 rebounds per game, 12.92 PER.
Mills stats: 9.3 min per game (last 10 games) 5.9 points per game, 2.0 assists per game, 0.9 rebounds per game, 13.46 PER

Its too bad mills doesn't get more minutes then it would be a better comparison.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I don't think it's "too bad" that Patty doesn't get more minutes. The fewer the better IMO.

 

[THE HCP]

I don't think it's "too bad" that Patty doesn't get more minutes. The fewer the better IMO.

You speak the truth.

 

[MARIS61]

Bayless is a small Roy, and just as out of place on this team as Roy has always been.

The team plays better without either.

Mills shows a team-oriented leadership quality neither displayed.

 

[Nate Dogg]

I don't think it's "too bad" that Patty doesn't get more minutes. The fewer the better IMO.

And you have a better PG that Portland could have grabbed based upon our cap?

 

[MIXUM]

the fact we arguing between bayless and mills says all you need to know about our backup pg situation.

 

[tlongII]

I think Patty has done a good job at backup PG. He's been improving throughout the season and that encourages me.

 

[DUB]

Bayless is a small Roy, and just as out of place on this team as Roy has always been.

The team plays better without either.

Mills shows a team-oriented leadership quality neither displayed.

I agree.

I think Patty has done a good job at backup PG. He's been improving throughout the season and that encourages me.

I don't think he's our PGOTF, but he can be a solid backup in this league, and he's only going to improve with experience.

 

[BBert]

Patty provides a spark. He penetrates and puts pressure on the defense. He can hit a shot from deep, and he can get a shot off. He is our best backup PG at the moment. Still, I think we need to upgrade to the BUPG position for next season. Can Patty be that better PG? I don't know.

Watching Lowry destroy us made me realize how much we need to retool the PG position to take the next step. If we could get a decent, quick, young PG (Harris would have been just fine), and move Andre to the bench next year, with a couple of shooters (Roy, Rudy, Batum) next to him on the second unit, that would be swell.

 

[Nikolokolus]

And you have a better PG that Portland could have grabbed based upon our cap?

Point guard? Hmmm ... I guess you and I differ on what constitutes a "point guard." If you are referring to a basketball player that can dribble the basketball, shoot and is between 5'9" and 6'4" then yes, he's an OK "point guard." If you think point guards should be able to set an offense, get other players easier shots, guard their counterpart and score as needed then I'm not so sure he falls into that classification.

As for who was available off the waiver-wire that would be better than him, I don't know. But I think that moving forward the team has to find a more viable option off the bench and eventually to replace Miller. If they want to keep Patty around for emergency depth like a 12th-15th man, third on their depth chart then he's perfectly adequate, but let's not make him out to be something that he isn't just because he wears a Blazers uniform and he's got a nice personality.

 

[e_blazer]

Point guard? Hmmm ... I guess you and I differ on what constitutes a "point guard." If you are referring to a basketball player that can dribble the basketball, shoot and is between 5'9" and 6'4" then yes, he's an OK "point guard." If you think point guards should be able to set an offense, get other players easier shots, guard their counterpart and score as needed then I'm not so sure he falls into that classification.

I'd say about half the teams in the league don't have that guy available as their starting PG, let alone have redundancy at the backup.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I'd say about half the teams in the league don't have that guy available as their starting PG, let alone have redundancy at the backup.

I'd say all of the following possess the necessary qualities to one degree or another (some obviously better than others)
Starters: Kidd, Nash, Billups, Calderon, Rose, Westbrook, Rondo, Miller, Deron, Harris, Lawson/Felton, Parker, Paul, Jennings, Conley, Holiday, Lowry ... the list goes on, but those are the first guys that immediately sprang to mind (and without looking anything up). You're right that most teams don't have two high quality point guards and there's a spectrum of quality amongst the names I listed, but the you'd still call each of them a "point guard" at least capable of running an offense.

I'm not saying Patty is valueless, I'm just saying he's not really a point guard.

 

[KevinJBonn]

Fair enough that Patty is better, but when Bayless went off for his career high against the suns my date was so exited that certain things took place outside the RG. When Patty does that for me, then he can take over for J-bay.

Anyway, yeah, Patty is killing it in many aspects. I'd like to see him get more garbage time but this team doesn't seem to have much of that.

 

[STOMP]

with all the talk on PG possibilities, is Petteri Koponen injured? Just did a quick google search and there aren't any recent links on his play

STOMP

 

[Nikolokolus]

with all the talk on PG possibilities, is Petteri Koponen injured? Just did a quick google search and there aren't any recent links on his play

STOMP

Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but I think he injured his foot again ...

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Mills - one of the nicest Blazers ever, fan favorite, teammates love him.
Bayless - one of the most arrogant Blazers ever, teammates werent to sad to see him go.

 

[Nate Dogg]

the fact we arguing between bayless and mills says all you need to know about our backup pg situation.

Then you should write a letter to PA about why he keeps on picking young point guards or really expensive ones.
I can think of several PG's that turned out to be bad either in the public eye's view or were worse than P.Mills..... Telfair, Damon Stoudamire (pot), Taurean Green.