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PHXBlazer1 said:
It is a non-issue pretty much everywhere except this complimentary internet basketball forum. If PA wants KP gone, it might be that the cancer stricken man doesn't know how much time he has left to "let the cake bake". I say let the billionaire spend his money the way he wants. We all know his ultimate goal, and it involves Larry O'Brien.
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A non-issue?

It's the most moronic, asinine idea that's ever come up in the history of the Trailblazers next to the choosing of Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan. Anyone who doesn't see that is a fool.
 
Chuck Taylor said:
I've heard it on Courtside before, and a quick google search revealed this article:
http://blog.oregonlive.com/johncanzano/2007/07/blazers_eyeing_chris_paul_in_s.html

Can you honestly believe KP didn't want Chris Paul??? The only person who didn't was John Nash, who didn't want to admit that drafting Telfair over Jefferson was a mistake.
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"Keep in mind, Blazers general manager Kevin Pritchard, who sharpening pencils in the draft room as the assistant GM three years ago, pushed hard to draft Paul over Martell Webster, but lost out."

I'm shocked--Canzano gives no source. It was Pritchard himself. Pritchard's version of history came out a long time after Paul was drafted, similar to that article, which came out 2 years later. By the time Pritchard took ownership of having wanted Paul, he was Rookie of the Year. Easy to pick.
 
Chuck Taylor said:
I'm not saying our next GM would be a Nash/Patterson type. I used them, and more specifically the CP3 draft, as an example that specific GMs makes a big difference - even if they are under the same owner. I made this point because you specifically said that all that matters to you was our owner and our players. The GM is a big, big deal.
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We have one of the two NBA owners where the GM actually isn't a big, big deal. YOU could have orchestrated most of the deals KP did. It's amazing what cash-strapped franchises are willing to do when you thrown an extra couple million in the deal. KP didn't do any of that, until Paul Allen gave him the thumbs up. Maybe I'm playing devil's advocate here, cause I don't want KP gone, but I honestly don't think it makes much difference for THIS team as constructed.
 
BlazerBenner said:
A non-issue?

It's the most moronic, asinine idea that's ever come up in the history of the Trailblazers next to the choosing of Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan. Anyone who doesn't see that is a fool.
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What is? Letting go of KP? If that's what you mean then we're both fools, according to one another.
 
jlprk said:
"Keep in mind, Blazers general manager Kevin Pritchard, who sharpening pencils in the draft room as the assistant GM three years ago, pushed hard to draft Paul over Martell Webster, but lost out."

I'm shocked--Canzano gives no source. It was Pritchard himself. The story came out a long time after Paul was drafted, similar to that article, which came out 2 years later. By the time Pritchard took ownership of having wanted Paul, he was Rookie of the Year. Easy to pick.
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I've heard the same story so many times....I wish I could remember so I could give you more references. But still, my side of the story has one more reference than your side of the story. Is it THAT hard to believe that KP would want Paul? Every draft board in the country had Paul higher. This isn't some retrospective bullshit about wanting to take Boozer or Ginobili...those guys went in the 2nd round and were legitimate surprises. EVERYONE knew Chris Paul was awesome....everyone but John Nash.
 
PHXBlazer1 said:
We have one of the two NBA owners where the GM actually isn't a big, big deal. YOU could have orchestrated most of the deals KP did. It's amazing what cash-strapped franchises are willing to do when you thrown an extra couple million in the deal. KP didn't do any of that, until Paul Allen gave him the thumbs up. Maybe I'm playing devil's advocate here, cause I don't want KP gone, but I honestly don't think it makes much difference for THIS team as constructed.
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Of course having a rich owner who is willing to spend money helps - thats a big part of why I said Paul Allen is such a great owner. But we still had a rich owner when Nash selected Webster over Paul (I'm not trying to dwell on that - it just seems like a perfect example of how a GM can make such a big difference despite being under the same ownership). Another argument would be: what did having a rich owner have to do with drafting Roy and Aldridge?
 
Chuck Taylor said:
Of course having a rich owner who is willing to spend money helps - thats a big part of why I said Paul Allen is such a great owner. But we still had a rich owner when Nash selected Webster over Paul (I'm not trying to dwell on that - it just seems like a perfect example of how a GM can make such a big difference despite being under the same ownership). Another argument would be: what did having a rich owner have to do with drafting Roy and Aldridge?
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Ya well we could have had D. Will OR Paul if we didn't trade the #3 pick for (I think) Kirk fuckin Snyder and the #6. Boo hoo. I could be wrong, but I thought at least one of those deals KP made in '06 that netted us Roy/LA involved some PA cash. If I'm wrong, then you can win that pissing contest. :cheers:
 
PHXBlazer1 said:
Ya well we could have had D. Will OR Paul if we didn't trade the #3 pick for (I think) Kirk fuckin Snyder and the #6. Boo hoo. I could be wrong, but I thought at least one of those deals KP made in '06 that netted us Roy/LA involved some PA cash. If I'm wrong, then you can win that pissing contest. :cheers:
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Well, the D-Will argument is rarely mentioned because Nash and KP weren't torn between Webster and Williams - they were torn between Webster and Paul. Being that Nash had a higher rank - GM - he won out, and we took Webster. This is why having a good GM is important. How many f-ing times do I have to explain it?

There was no cash involved in either trade for Roy or Aldridge. I don't see it as a pissing contest - I made the argument to debunk your theory that even KP's best moves were still a result of Paul Allen's pocketbook.

link:
http://www.nba.com/blazers/news/Trail_Blazers_Land_Brandon_Roy-183312-1177.html
 
Chuck Taylor said:
Well, the D-Will argument is rarely mentioned because Nash and KP weren't torn between Webster and Williams - they were torn between Webster and Paul. Being that Nash had a higher rank - GM - he won out, and we took Webster. This is why having a good GM is important. How many f-ing times do I have to explain it?

There was no cash involved in either trade for Roy or Aldridge. I don't see it as a pissing contest - I made the argument to debunk your theory that even KP's best moves were still a result of Paul Allen's pocketbook.

link:
http://www.nba.com/blazers/news/Trail_Blazers_Land_Brandon_Roy-183312-1177.html
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For me, you'd have to explain it between 18 and 211 times. I'm not here to create the "perfect argument". I'm here because it's free entertainment. You really think I have a "theory" that you can "debunk" with an "argument"? Good stuff. (Don't reply, I already know what you're gonna say) I'm done here, have a great night!
 
I think the argument if we got CP would we have been able to get Roy/LA is more about where we'd be picking in the draft if we got CP rather than any money involved though we might have still bought the Roy pick we wouldn't have got both of them. Or am I missing something?
 
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