Pac-10 Big-10 merge to form super league?

[rocketeer]

i would like this depending on how they figure out the football schedule. texas, a&m, colorado, kansas, ou, and osu would make the most sense to me. no reason to include teams like texas tech or kansas state.

 

[maxiep]

You can't lead from behind.

Given your avatar, I respectfully disagree.

 

[ehizzy3]

conference championship games>>>

 

[Draco]

I love the idea.

Hopefully the Big 10 expands too, then the winner of the Rosebowl could play in a national championship game. Have the Orange bowl or whatever decide the opponent from the other conferences.

 

[Entity]

Update on this situation

Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott emerged from the final day of conference meetings Sunday and announced that university presidents and chancellors have given him all the authority he needs to expand the Pac-10. ... Scott wouldn't give any timeframe for expansion talks -- other than to reiterate that the deadline is the end of this year -- or discuss specific schools. However, it sounds as if he will aggressively court some of the biggest names in college sports, including Texas.

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The Big 12 reportedly gave Missouri and Nebraska an ultimatum of Friday to decide if they will remain in the Big 12. If those schools leave, the Pac-10 could be strategically situated to gobble up Big 12 teams looking for bigger opportunities, including Texas.

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Scott said it's possible the expansion announcement could come as early as July 27, the first day of the Pac-10 football media days in New York. The new schools wouldn't join the Pac-10 until the 2012-2013 school year, Scott said. The Pac-10 begins negotiating its new TV agreement at the end of this year and Scott said he needs to know the makeup of his conference before he sits down with TV executives. There are reports that expansion could be worth as much as $20 million per school. ... One unnamed Big 12 school administrator told The American-Statesman of Austin, "I've talked to the Pac-10. There is an invitation. When it comes, it'll come fast."

Interesting...

 

[Entity]

In other news:

The Big Ten outlined a 12- to 18-month period to explore expansion in a Dec. 15 statement, and the league has since reiterated that the timetable hasn't changed. But recent events, such as the reports Saturday that the Big 12 has issued a stay-or-go ultimatum to Nebraska and Missouri, might accelerate what the Big Ten does. ... Simon and Delany declined to identify potential candidates, but names that have surfaced include Texas, Missouri, Nebraska, Rutgers, Pittsburgh and Syracuse.

Political forces in the state of Texas are preparing to demand that Baylor -- not Colorado -- should be one of the schools in the mix should the Pac-10 extend an invitation to six Big 12 schools to join its ranks, according to Orangebloods.com.

 

[Natebishop3]

In other news:

Why would Texas want Baylor? They hate Colorado?

 

[Da_O]

If this were to happen, the winner of the conference should undoubtedly play for the National Championship. It only makes sense being as this would easily be the toughest conference in the country. Well that's always the SEC's excuse anyways.

 

[Entity]

I wonder if legal challenges to the exclusion of Baylor (which I think is ridiculous) could end up leaving Texas Tech behind?

 

[Mediocre Man]

Why would Texas want Baylor? They hate Colorado?

Baylor is in Texas, while Colorado is in .....well....Colorado.


I'm not sure people understand how proud of a state Texas is. Most here really stick together, as an us vs the world

 

[Entity]

So now there are rumors that the Pac-10 is waffling between Colorado and Baylor because of the legislature in Texas, but this is coming from the guy who runs the Longhorns' team fan page. The rumor includes that the other five will be given a formal invitation this week. I say if those five accept, let them vote on the last team. I'd rather have Colorado, though.

In more devious news:

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe all but killed his own conference on April 30, 2008. That’s when he decided to team up with the Big Ten and Pac-10 to reject a four-team playoff being pushed by the SEC and ACC. If the Big 12 (and/or the Big East) had supported it, the so-called “Plus One” model likely would’ve happened. ... Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany admitted to Congress a 16-team playoff could gross four times what the current Bowl Championship Series does – in other words about $900 million annually. He opposed it anyway. Beebe and the others never seemed to ask why. They’re finding out now.

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It’s clear now that Delany used opposition to a football playoff not to preserve some bit of “tradition.” His expansion plans clearly indicate he cares nothing about that. It certainly wasn’t done for the sake of aiding Big Ten football, since a playoff with on-campus home games likely would’ve helped his teams. The goal was to starve out the Big 12, Big East and even the ACC of the hundreds of millions a playoff would’ve given them and thus turn the future of college sports into a battle of television sets. ... It was a genius, cutthroat throat play. He set the terms of the game so he’d win. The Pac-10, led by aggressive new commissioner Larry Scott, is taking advantage also. ... Am I being too hard on Beebe? Not even close. He’s been played like a fiddle.

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Protecting the BCS wasn’t about greed. It wasn’t about determining a real champion. It was about power. Now the Pac-10 and Big Ten have it.

Sounds a bit over the top, but it's a fun theory.

 

[Mediocre Man]

So now there are rumors that the Pac-10 is waffling between Colorado and Baylor because of the legislature in Texas, but this is coming from the guy who runs the Longhorns' team fan page. The rumor includes that the other five will be given a formal invitation this week. I say if those five accept, let them vote on the last team. I'd rather have Colorado, though.

In more devious news:



Sounds a bit over the top, but it's a fun theory.

Both UT and T a&m are state schools. Technically the state of Texas has final say on what the schools do. If they can play the power card in order to get Baylor into a better conference they will.....Apparently.

 

[BrianFromWA]

On the face of it (since I grew up a Pac-10 fan, but my college is an independent that gets lucky to get into a 'lower-tier' bowl every year) I'd say this is a big, big thing. But looking a bit deeper, I think that this might be a big blow for a few schools that people here know and love. I think UCLA/USC (LA market), UW (SEA), Cal (SF Bay), Oregon (Phil Knight's $$$ and maybe the POrtland market?), Texas/TA&M/OK (Tx market), CO (Denver) would be ok...a semi-permanent "upper tier" of the conference. Schools like Arizona and Stanford maybe be able to compete in some sports some years, but they have their own handicaps (whether slightly-less-than-optimal location, academic standards, etc.). I think that schools like WSU, OSU, ASU, Baylor/Texas Tech would be hurting b/c they're a) not in major markets, b) not "name" schools and c) their recruiting turf will be that much more inundated with talent scouts from the big boys. I'd submit that a kid from Spokane would lean from going to WSU to going to Texas if Texas came to town every 2-3 years, while a kid from, say, Lubbock wouldn't go to the Palouse without a gun pointed at his head if he had Texas or TA&M calling.

Right now, there's not necessarily a "tier" system in the Pac-10 (unless you say it's USC -- then everyone else). I think that this would regulate teams like WSU and OSU to permanent "Kentucky/Vanderbilt" status. If they're cool with that (especially since $$ will come rolling in) that's great. Personally, I think it's good for the health of the conference. But some of these schools should take a look at what they're getting into.

 

[Entity]

It would be funny if this turned into "How Baylor saved the Big XII."

 

[Mediocre Man]

It would be funny if this turned into "How Baylor saved the Big XII."

It really has nothing at all to do with Baylor. It would be "How the state of Texas saved the Big 12"

 

[Big Frame]

Am I the only one who got confused on the thread title?

The two wild card schools in this is Texas and Notre Dame. Who ever lands one of them schools will win the expanson. If the Big Ten lands both, WOW.

 

[Entity]

I think if the Big Ten gets Notre Dame, they'll probably stop courting Big XII schools. I think Texas would rather stay in the Big XII because they can run their own TV network, but the problem is the rest of the Big XII will continue to have less money in that type of situation. They could make more in the Big Ten or the Pac-10. If teams start leaving the conference, then what does Texas do? Those legislators fight hard to keep the Texas schools together, but they don't fight hard to help those schools make more money, at least not for the lesser ones. Rivalries with OU, A&M, and Tech are a big deal, too, so I think Texas doesn't leave the conference by itself. Right now only the Pac-10 is offering for all of them to go, and that's the only deal that I see working, except for the Big XII staying together.

 

[Big Frame]

Mizzu and Nebraska are good as gone. They are going to get BILLIONS in research money from the CIC. Texas knows this and they dont want to be the bad guy for breaking up the Big XII.

 

[Entity]

Please Texas/A&M/Tech legislators... by your powers combined, beat down these Baylor suckers. Do it for your own interests.

 

[rocketeer]

Please Texas/A&M/Tech legislators... by your powers combined, beat down these Baylor suckers. Do it for your own interests.

get tech out of there too. colorado and kansas would be much better than tech and baylor.

 

[Mediocre Man]

get tech out of there too. colorado and kansas would be much better than tech and baylor.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Tech and Baylor offer far more in academics than either of the other two schools. Tech and Baylor also have far better donors and fan support than the other schools do.

Kansas is better than Colorado because it gives the PAC 10 the central time zone, but other than basketball, Kansas offers nothing else. Tech and Baylor offer everything and more than the other two schools

 

[ehizzy3]

kansas is decent at football, but from what i've heard kansas and kansas state are a package deal and nobody wants ksu.

 

[rocketeer]

You have no idea what you are talking about. Tech and Baylor offer far more in academics than either of the other two schools. Tech and Baylor also have far better donors and fan support than the other schools do.

Kansas is better than Colorado because it gives the PAC 10 the central time zone, but other than basketball, Kansas offers nothing else. Tech and Baylor offer everything and more than the other two schools

if you say so.

texas tech and baylor both bring no tv markets to the table. colorado and kansas both bring large tv markets to the table. both colorado and kansas are AAU members. baylor and tech aren't. baylor can be considered similar academically to kansas and colorado but texas tech is far behind those 3. pretending otherwise makes absolutely no sense.

can you point out some specifics of baylor and tech offering "everything and more" in comparison to kansas and colorado?

 

[Mediocre Man]

if you say so.

texas tech and baylor both bring no tv markets to the table. colorado and kansas both bring large tv markets to the table. both colorado and kansas are AAU members. baylor and tech aren't. baylor can be considered similar academically to kansas and colorado but texas tech is far behind those 3. pretending otherwise makes absolutely no sense.

can you point out some specifics of baylor and tech offering "everything and more" in comparison to kansas and colorado?

While they are not in the large cities of Texas, Tech and Baylor have alumni all over the state of Texas. Baylor has schools of medicine in both Houston and Dallas.

 

[rocketeer]

While they are not in the large cities of Texas, Tech and Baylor have alumni all over the state of Texas. Baylor has schools of medicine in both Houston and Dallas.

if the pac 10 is adding texas and a&m there is no need for baylor or tech. texas and a&m have the state of texas covered. denver/kansas city are much more important to a tv contract than scattered tech and baylor fans.

 

[BrianFromWA]

But isn't that the point? Texas and A&M are saying that you don't get them without the little guys. And I guar-un-tee you the Pac-10 would rather have UT and TA&M with two little brothers than the Denver and Kansas City markets without the Texas schools.

 

[BrianFromWA]

On an aside, why is Baylor in the conversation here? Aren't they a small, Christian, private university? I was under the assumption that the Stolen Six would be UT, TT, TA&M, UO, OSU, Colorado, with maybe Kansas in the mix instead of TT. How does Baylor fit in that? Is Rice going to be part of the deal, too?

 

[EPJr]

The biggest, silly issue I see would be Oregon State University and Oklahoma State University. Both are orange and black, nay?

the bigger issue is who would be the real OSU

 

[BrianFromWA]

The university's current title, Oregon State University, was adopted on March 6, 1961

The Ohio State University was founded in 1870

On May 15, 1957, Oklahoma A&M changed its name for the final time to Oklahoma State University

I'd say that Oregon State University is 3rd on the list of "real".

 

[EPJr]

On an aside, why is Baylor in the conversation here? Aren't they a small, Christian, private university? I was under the assumption that the Stolen Six would be UT, TT, TA&M, UO, OSU, Colorado, with maybe Kansas in the mix instead of TT. How does Baylor fit in that? Is Rice going to be part of the deal, too?

Baylor is in the conversation because they have political pull. The Texas legislature BU alumni would not let the other TX schools join the Big XII w/o little brother.