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Mountain West made pitches to Oregon State, Washington State...yippy!!
So pathetic but sadly doesn't seem like any other option.

I wonder if somehow OSU WSU can keep using the Pac brand and get those teams to merge maybe they can get a bit higher slice of future TV revenue or something. MWC just has a tiny pie to split up.
 
So pathetic but sadly doesn't seem like any other option.

I wonder if somehow OSU WSU can keep using the Pac brand and get those teams to merge maybe they can get a bit higher slice of future TV revenue or something. MWC just has a tiny pie to split up.

...well, the Pac12 is changing their logo to this so it could work!

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Yeah I think this might end up being a big loss for all the schools, even USC and Oregon which made it to the best conference might look back in 5-10 years and hate the change.

In theory might think the Pac12 could reform but with all the schools having such different expiring dates for TV deals that might be near impossible.
I was in favor of the Pac staying intact but understand why OR/WA left when no acceptable path for a media pkg was reached. These recent changes with alignment are just he beginning and things will change again for more teams in 5-10 years.
 
While the break-up is unfortunate, money mistakes made it so. OSU is the only other team I truly give a crap about.

I won’t miss going to Tucson to watch the Ducks … and am glad to be rid of Stanford and Cal’s golf clapping.
I liked WSU and Utah playing with grit. And don’t care about about Colorado or ASU.

One final year. Might as well win it.
 
So pathetic but sadly doesn't seem like any other option.

I wonder if somehow OSU WSU can keep using the Pac brand and get those teams to merge maybe they can get a bit higher slice of future TV revenue or something. MWC just has a tiny pie to split up.

with the AAC seemingly only interested in adding Army, and none of those teams interested in adding a couple of schools 2 time zones away, it does look like the MWC is the only option

OSU/WSU have been pushing for a 'reverse merger' with the MWC because they want to have a 2-way split of current & future PAC revenue. Mainly they are looking at March Madness money because of the strange formula for distribution.

(IIRC the networks pay each conference $340,000 for each tournament game played by a conference team. The distributions are pooled into a 6-year cycle. I'm not sure, but I think the total number of appearances pooled and divided by 6 years, and the average is then distributed to the 12 teams. It's just about guaranteed to be a complex formula though. For instance, this year, 2018 is still in the pool. But is 2018's total revenue calculated as 100% or is it now 1/6th of the total? Last year, the Pac's record in the tournament was 3-4; but in 2021 it was 13-5. Those two years show 25 appearances by the PAC; 25 X 340K = 8.5M. If those two years are representative, then OSU/WSU could be looking at a 5 year distribution pool, starting in 2024, that has 20M+/- in it. When they will be looking at a media deal that pays them around 4-5M/year (the MWC current deal), an additional 2-3M year is significant)

so, OSU/WSU are very interested in keeping the PAC alive. At least they are at this point. Some of the stuff I've read suggests the PAC's assets, current & future, are significantly less than rumored; and the liabilities are significantly more. So the revenues Beavs and Cougs are hoping for may be quite a bit less than the dream

and obviously, the MWC teams would have to vote to disband the conference and jump to the PAC....which will not have any media deal in place. Meanwhile, the MWC's media deal has 3 years left. Further, the MWC deal has a significant linear TV component. The PAC was not able to secure any linear TV component when it had Oregon/Washingon and the TV markets of Portland/Seattle/SLC/Denver/Phoenix. The MWC teams would have to make a leap of faith that somehow, joining OSU/WSU in a reformatted PAC would be a good idea. That's a real stretch at this point. And the reformatted PAC wouldn't be able to just take the best teams from the MWC because in order to disband, there would have to be 9 of the 12 MWC teams voting yes. It would probably have to be all 12 teams, leaving their current media deal behind, and joining the PAC on spec and essentially a lot of blind faith that media would do right by the PAC....HA!

it could happen I guess, but at this point it looks like OSU/WSU's dream of keeping the PAC alive is a real longshot. And so is hoping for an uneven split of media revenue because all indications are that media doesn't value those two schools more than they value Boise State or San Diego State or Wyoming
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I agree that these are sad days for tradition. When I went to the UofO they were in the PAC-8. Even then, the PAC had won more NCAA championships than any other conference. And the competition among the conference members was intense, most times. But times change. The UofO used to get 15,000 people in Hayward Field for a dual track meets between Oregon and UCLA. Dual meets don't exist anymore. Oregon had a baseball team, then they spent 3 decades with no baseball team; now they have a baseball team again. And they will have to gauge how viable it is to keep a baseball team around with a travel budget that has doubled being in the BIG

OSU, the school, and the fans, have already strongly signaled they have no interest in continuing the Civil War in football/basketball. And I think the UofO, after initially saying they wanted to keep the rivalry alive has realized how difficult it will be and how little sense it makes for them to have an annual home-and-home trap game against a MWC-level school. It's just not logical

but here's the thing: the NCAA was living in a fool's paradise. They spent 70 years operating as if they had an anti-trust exemption when they didn't. They were just incredibly fortunate that no major legal challenges to the hollow system they erected had migrated thru the courts. But those challenges have migrated now. They can't put the genies of re-alignment, NIL, and the transfer portal back in the bottles. SCOTUS has strongly signaled they are ready and willing to gut what little authority the NCAA is still clinging to

it's a brave new world...the rich get richer; poor get poorer. Money doesn't talk, it swears, and that profanity is extremely loud right now
 
If OSU & WSU merged with MW or Reversed Merge with Pac, they would have an easier path to make the 12 team playoffs, stay regional and be competitive year in, year out.

Not sure how they will survive the next 5 years with such a tank in revenue and signing up for a stadium expansion / coach. They might have to gut all staff throughout the athletic department. Going to be a mess.

You might be right, I guess thats best case for the Beavs. They'd have to go undefeated though and probably win a big time out of conference matchup but yeah its probably more likely than not making a rose bowl since the 60's.

One problem is within 5-10 years the Beavs will have had so much less revenue and possibly less recruits being in the MWC so they might not have the talent they have this year or have had the last couple decades.
 
with the AAC seemingly only interested in adding Army, and none of those teams interested in adding a couple of schools 2 time zones away, it does look like the MWC is the only option

Even if the AAC was interested in the Beavers is that really a better situation than the MWC? I don't see one big football program and would think they're revenue isn't that much if any better. MWC has some schools that have had a big BCS bowl season. At least the MWC has a regional benefit none of the ACC/AAC/Big10/Big12/etc have.
 
Even if the AAC was interested in the Beavers is that really a better situation than the MWC? I don't see one big football program and would think they're revenue isn't that much if any better. MWC has some schools that have had a big BCS bowl season. At least the MWC has a regional benefit none of the ACC/AAC/Big10/Big12/etc have.

The AAC's media deal is around 7-8M/year per school; MWC's is about 4-5M/year. So probably 35-45% more. And Memphis, Temple, Tulane, Navy, Rice are comparable to the better MWC schools

but the geography is prohibitive and doesn't make sense. I think 9 of 14 teams are in the Atlantic time zone, and the closest are in Texas. It's close to 2000 miles from Corvallis to Tulsa, and it may be the closest venue

the MWC is about the only landing spot for OSU/WSU.
 
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Just ridiculous that the PAC is dissolving when it’s teams are arguably at their best ever.

There is certainly some irony in the situation, but a big reason why the conference is so good this year is QB experience. I'm not sure the athletic departments in general are anywhere near being in their best position ever.
 
I said this in another thread but I think the PAC will be a bloodbath this year. Oregon/OSU/Washington/Utah/USC all look like top-10 and playoff teams. UCLA and Colorado are dangerous; Cal & WSU look much improved. There are no real gimmes on the schedules

obviously, this is mostly based off of a the PAC teams kicking around lower tier and FCS teams, but I would not be surprised if no PAC team this year had fewer than 2 conference losses, especially if all starting QB's stay healthy
 
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Damn - you just had to burst my bubble didn't you! :smiley-cmizdri:
Sorry ... you guys will definitely win baseball and wrestling, we will probably take women's soccer and volleyball with women's hoops being a dog fight and men's hoops being a pillow fight!
 
It's crazy how virtually nobody likes these realignments... Everyone would prefer the PAC 12 stay the way it was... Yet here we are...
The networks (ESPN & FOX) are calling the shots and they certainly aren't consulting us on what they should do. They don't care about history or rivalries, just ratings. If a school's games don't deliver the ratings for them to make max bank, they're being left outside looking in. I've heard/read stuff from those in the know that there will be more realignments coming in the next few years to kick other ratings loser schools out of the Big 10 and SEC as the networks hone towards their desired fall programing.

Like you, I think this all sucks. Also like you, I didn't watch Oregon's first game this year but that was mostly because it was against Portland State and I had much better options for my Saturday.

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this was inevitable after Kliavkoff called for a board meeting on the 13th with all 12 schools participating

OSU/WSU are fighting for a 2-way split of any Pac-12 revenue starting in 2024 and are worried that if a full board meeting was held, there would be a addendum in by-laws preventing the 2-way split

USC/UCLA were excluded from any decision-making by the conference after they announced their departure. But reportedly, they simply didn't contest the exclusion though they might have had a case if they did. I'd imagine, the 8 departing schools wouldn't contest this time around; but if any did, that exposes the PAC to years of litigation. Which in turn would make it impossible for OSU/WSU to reverse merge with the MWC

I was told that a couple of departing schools (not Oregon), might file a legal challenge to the PAC-12's formula for distributing March Madness revenue, and that's the biggest pool of money that might go to OSU/WSU
 


this was inevitable after Kliavkoff called for a board meeting on the 13th with all 12 schools participating

OSU/WSU are fighting for a 2-way split of any Pac-12 revenue starting in 2024 and are worried that if a full board meeting was held, there would be a addendum in by-laws preventing the 2-way split

USC/UCLA were excluded from any decision-making by the conference after they announced their departure. But reportedly, they simply didn't contest the exclusion though they might have had a case if they did. I'd imagine, the 8 departing schools wouldn't contest this time around; but if any did, that exposes the PAC to years of litigation. Which in turn would make it impossible for OSU/WSU to reverse merge with the MWC

I was told that a couple of departing schools (not Oregon), might file a legal challenge to the PAC-12's formula for distributing March Madness revenue, and that's the biggest pool of money that might go to OSU/WSU

Aww, c'mon Pac12ers! Let the NW little bros have the March Madness money as a parting gift!
 
Aww, c'mon Pac12ers! Let the NW little bros have the March Madness money as a parting gift!

if only it were that simple

but it's a pretty complex situation. OSU/WSU have done less that just about every other conference teams to generate revenue. For instance, at 340K dollars per MarchMadness appearances over the previous 6 seasons, OSU/WSU have combined for 4 (Ducks 6)....they have generated 1.36M. In just two seasons, 2022/2021, Pac-12 teams played 25 conference games and generated 8.5M. That's only for 2 seasons, if the other 4 'pool' seasons are similar, the pool could be around 25M

OSU/WSU are worried that the 10 other teams will vote to change the formula and disburse all that revenue at one time, like sometime next year. Thay are also worried that the other 10 schools would simply vote to disband the conference. The obstacle they are facing is that none of the 10 scools has left the conference yet. They are still all members. In fact, none of the schools can give formal legal notice of exiting the conference until Aug 1, 2024. A verbal statement of intent may not have any legal standing

there is also a dispute about Rose Bowl revenue. For example, if Oregon or Washington played in the Rose Bowl this year, what OSU/WSU want is to get 100% of the conference's share of the Rose Bowl money....and Oregon or Washington get nothing. That will be really hard to sell to a judge, and if OSU/WSU get aggressive about things like that, and lose their legal challenges, they might actually cause the other schools to disband the conference on Aug 1 next year
 
The buffs look really good. It’s so sad that the PAC couldn’t stick together. So many good teams this year. There are gonna be some insane matchups.
 
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