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Interesting comment, MW has actually fared pretty well against the P12 the last few years in both football and basketball. Now obviously you'd expect that gap to widen with the amount of money difference that will coming into the other conferences vs. the MWC but the records haven't been as lopsided as one might expect.

The Pac-12 is 114-58 against the MWC all time. Maybe I shouldn't have said "rarely", but the disparity is clearly significant.

https://mcubed.net/ncaaf/tvc/pac12/mountainwest.shtml
 
What a stupid take. So Colorado and Cal have "programs that were desirable"? What has Colorado won recently?

Just be grateful Phil Knight / Nike have built up U of O the last two decades - if this happened back then your Ducks would be in the same position as the Beavs and Cougs. Go back the prior 50 years and Ducks football has the same history of losing much more than winning - same as OSU/WSU.

This is all just a money grab for schools that are in bigger TV markets. Obviously Pulman and Corvallis don't have that. Nothing the Beavs had done would have changed that.

I'm not saying PAC or Presidents including OSU's have no fault here as they certainly do - but the Beavers winning or losing the last couple years is irrelevant.
You lost me at “what a stupid take”…..didn’t read the rest. Had OSU had the opportunity to go elsewhere they would have jumped on it. Plain and simple.
 
Oregon State is one of only a few schools in the country to go to the elite 8, college world series and have a ten win season in football in the last five years. But don't let that stop you from talking out of your ass.
You keep holding on to that if you want. See where it gets you. It obviously means absolutely NOTHING to the rest of the NCAA I can promise you. In fact you are seeing first hand how much it means. Am I wrong?
 
I just got done with the NCAA recruiting game with my daughter 2 years and hundreds of phone calls and Zooms. Was actually helping her friends in their recruiting as well. Everybody’s path is different, but one thing is clear…..you are either a valued commodity or not. They either want you or not. The “offers” to join them are either there or not. Your value is right there in front of you during the process. Can’t even argue it….. If nobody comes a callin’, you aren’t wanted.
 
I just got done with the NCAA recruiting game with my daughter 2 years and hundreds of phone calls and Zooms. Was actually helping her friends in their recruiting as well. Everybody’s path is different, but one thing is clear…..you are either a valued commodity or not. They either want you or not. The “offers” to join them are either there or not. Your value is right there in front of you during the process. Her best friend was set on playing at only Power 5 schools…… no schools like that reached out. She could easily dominate in D2, but didn’t want that. Quit soccer because of it . Can’t even argue it….. If nobody comes a callin’, you aren’t wanted.
 
You keep holding on to that if you want. See where it gets you. It obviously means absolutely NOTHING to the rest of the NCAA I can promise you. In fact you are seeing first hand how much it means. Am I wrong?
You said their lack of athletic success is the reason they're not desirable. Sorry to bring up a few facts. I'm acutely aware that the rest of the NCAA could care less and are more interested in other facts like market size. I guess acting like an arrogant prick is your thing, so keep kicking people when they're down. Enjoy.
 
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This is the most infuriating part of all this, it has NOTHING to do with success on the field and building a brand. I'm not naive to think that WSU has a brand on par with Nike U or USC but it's not some podunk school either. We've seen seven straight bowl games (yes I know bowls aren't what they used to be), made headlines constantly with Leach and get covered by the preeminent college football preview show more than most because of the flag waving efforts of Ol' Crimson and as of last year had a 5 year run as one of the most watched teams outside the B10/SEC. I'm sorry but over the past two decades or so, Arizona, Colorado and Cal have been markedly worse in football, while UCLA, ASU, OSU and WSU have all been about the same. This decision seems to be coming down to A. decisions made over 100 years ago about where to put these universities and B. having partner institutions in their state that were totally self serving. I get it, end of the day it's every man for themselves, but fans of these schools (especially UO) need to stop with this holier than thou thinking about OSU and WSU.

If it's not about branding or success, then what is it about?
 
Had OSU/WSU had programs that were desirable, they would have been offered the chance to join the other 10 schools that left and would have gladly accepted. They can’t blame the lack of success of their athletic departments on other schools. Plain and simple they would have bolted too if invited.
How's the CCC football team doing?
 
If it's not about branding or success, then what is it about?
Great question, you tell me. As far as I can tell it's location (which I referenced at the end of that very post you quoted) or that our 35,000 seat stadium isn't big enough, because it sure as hell isn't about success on the field, eyeballs on the TV or having a recognizable brand, something WSU has over a lot of the schools that are getting a seat at the table.

I really do think it's all about location and the old school thought that Pullman is too difficult to get to, even though the airport there has expanded to be able to take in 757's. Pretty ironic that one of the big reasons WSU is loved by so many is the thing that is probably causing it to be left out of all this. We have a good family friend that was contacted about 15 years ago about donating for a football stadium and athletic facilities to be built in Vancouver and the possibility of them moving the AD to the branch campus but obviously that effort fell flat. Would be fascinating to see how that move could have totally changed the course of WSU athletics.
 
Great question, you tell me. As far as I can tell it's location (which I referenced at the end of that very post you quoted) or that our 35,000 seat stadium isn't big enough, because it sure as hell isn't about success on the field, eyeballs on the TV or having a recognizable brand, something WSU has over a lot of the schools that are getting a seat at the table.

I really do think it's all about location and the old school thought that Pullman is too difficult to get to, even though the airport there has expanded to be able to take in 757's. Pretty ironic that one of the big reasons WSU is loved by so many is the thing that is probably causing it to be left out of all this. We have a good family friend that was contacted about 15 years ago about donating for a football stadium and athletic facilities to be built in Vancouver and the possibility of them moving the AD to the branch campus but obviously that effort fell flat. Would be fascinating to see how that move could have totally changed the course of WSU athletics.

In retrospect that would have been a very smart move - assuming one really wants to play the stupid money game that is going on in college football.

It won't happen, but it would be a bold move if OSU and WSU just gave up on athletics at this point, and focused on sheep, er, I mean, academics.

barfo
 
Great question, you tell me. As far as I can tell it's location (which I referenced at the end of that very post you quoted) or that our 35,000 seat stadium isn't big enough, because it sure as hell isn't about success on the field, eyeballs on the TV or having a recognizable brand, something WSU has over a lot of the schools that are getting a seat at the table.

I really do think it's all about location and the old school thought that Pullman is too difficult to get to, even though the airport there has expanded to be able to take in 757's. Pretty ironic that one of the big reasons WSU is loved by so many is the thing that is probably causing it to be left out of all this. We have a good family friend that was contacted about 15 years ago about donating for a football stadium and athletic facilities to be built in Vancouver and the possibility of them moving the AD to the branch campus but obviously that effort fell flat. Would be fascinating to see how that move could have totally changed the course of WSU athletics.

I think it is brand/TV draw and maybe something to do with geography in regards to the BIG12 late adds. Last year, USC/Oregon combined for 65m eyeballs. Oregon St/Wash St combined for 23m. That's a pretty big difference.

If stadium size mattered, the B1G would've taken Arizona St over Oregon. If market size was the #1 factor, the B1G would've taken California over Washington. If it were about airport accessibility, the B1G would've taken Salt Lake City over Eugene.

I feel bad for Oregon St and Washington St, but this isn't some crazy conspiracy. It seems fairly straight forward to me.
 
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Feels like we've been told TV viewers rule all but I guess there is an exception when it comes to WSU ... not sure a marketing slogan has ever fit better with my school than the one they have this year.
 
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Feels like we've been told TV viewers rule all but I guess there is an exception when it comes to WSU ... not sure a marketing slogan has ever fit better with my school than the one they have this year.

the fine print tells me that survey is partly garbage-in-garbage-out because of this:

"No games against BIG Ten, SEC, USC, UCLA, OU, Texas; no conference championship or bowls"

why exactly are they excluding those games? I'm assuming because they'd claim those games would skew the results because more viewers would tune in to watch BIG/SEC teams than the subject teams. So, in that survey in which Oregon scored so well, it excluded Oregon's games against Tennessee, Michigan State (twice), Nebraska (twice), Auburn, Ohio State, & Georgia. OK

but the thing is, if they are excluding games in which there would clearly be an uneven skew in viewership, why would teams like Cal and Arizona get credit for all the eyeballs when they played Oregon. Conversely, why would Oregon get debited when they played teams like that?

I'd be pretty certain that the linear TV networks who are driving realignments have their own internal algorithms to derive viewing power of D1 programs. I know that in all these surveys and data sets, Oregon always outperforms every D1 program except the elites of the BIG and SEC, and that includes USC. Meaning, surveys like these are relatively useless for the Networks. They have their own calculations

Oregon has been scheduling games against the big boys for a while. And they often end up in the L column (a 49-3 shellacking by Georgia last season tops the list). Now, I used to have a lot more connections to the thinking of Oregon's athletic department and coaches thru the Mike Bellotti days. Even some in the Chip Kelly days. But now I only know one guy who is 'in-the-know', marginally. Mostly big donors.

Anyway I asked him a couple of years ago why Oregon was scheduling these very difficult games, seemingly every year, on the road, against teams like LSU, Michigan State, Nebraska, Auburn, Ohio State, Georgia. His reply was simple "Branding". Having big games early in the season gets tons of media attention and draws millions of eyeballs. I know you don't credit branding as a factor, but it clear that Oregon has been laser-focused on branding for 20 years. Eugene-Springfield has a metro population of 382,000. Spokane, for instance, has a metro population of 593,000. By market size, the UofO would not qualify for a power conference

obviously, winning contributes to branding. Having Chip Kelly's blur offense and lightning tempo, while winning, and wearing fancy uniforms, contributed a lot to branding. Oregon has won 8 Pac-12 championships in football since 2000. They played in 4 Rose Bowls and won 3; three Fiesta Bowls and won 2. In the same period, OSU/WSU combined for one Pac-12 championships, 1 Rose Bowl, and 1 Fiesta Bowl. They were 1-1 in the bowls and the last appearance, like the last championship, was 22 years ago

I know you don't want to credit winning and branding as factors, but it's obvious they were the reason Oregon made it to the Big-10 while OSU/WSU are filing lawsuits
 
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I would say 'poor Justin', but a 5-year/267M contract disagrees....still:



I know this sucks... and it sucks for a Duck fan to see that happen to him.

But this is largely why football is so much better than the NBA. One player cannot single handedly dominate. Justin can be great and really elevate the offense, but if the defense sucks.......
 
continuing the branding debate:



the video also mentioned mascots, and whenever a poll of the most recognized college mascots is released, the Oregon Duck comes out on top, More branding

I know that Oregon-haters will say that's just style-over-substance, and it would be except for the reality that Oregon has led the Pac-12 in substance for a couple of decades, if substance = championships + winning%

(by the way, in the last 20 years, Oregon has won 5 Pac-12 basketball championships, and 5 Pac-12 Tournament championships. In the same period, OSU/WSU has combined for 1 tournament championship)
 
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I know this sucks... and it sucks for a Duck fan to see that happen to him.

But this is largely why football is so much better than the NBA. One player cannot single handedly dominate. Justin can be great and really elevate the offense, but if the defense sucks.......

the defense sucks at a historical level though, and in the opener this season, the defense gave up 536 yards....in the NFL, where the median offense gains around 365yds/game; and only one team averaged more than 400 yards last season, barely

and Staley is supposed to be a defensive coach.....geeeeezuzzz
 
the defense sucks at a historical level though, and in the opener this season, the defense gave up 536 yards....in the NFL, where the median offense gains around 365yds/game; and only one team averaged more than 400 yards last season, barely

and Staley is supposed to be a defensive coach.....geeeeezuzzz

Yup, but it's the only real check and balance that keeps parity in the NFL...... well... .that and the strict salary cap.
 
the fine print tells me that survey is partly garbage-in-garbage-out because of this:

"No games against BIG Ten, SEC, USC, UCLA, OU, Texas; no conference championship or bowls"

why exactly are they excluding those games? I'm assuming because they'd claim those games would skew the results because more viewers would tune in to watch BIG/SEC teams than the subject teams. So, in that survey in which Oregon scored so well, it excluded Oregon's games against Tennessee, Michigan State (twice), Nebraska (twice), Auburn, Ohio State, & Georgia. OK

but the thing is, if they are excluding games in which there would clearly be an uneven skew in viewership, why would teams like Cal and Arizona get credit for all the eyeballs when they played Oregon. Conversely, why would Oregon get debited when they played teams like that?

I'd be pretty certain that the linear TV networks who are driving realignments have their own internal algorithms to derive viewing power of D1 programs. I know that in all these surveys and data sets, Oregon always outperforms every D1 program except the elites of the BIG and SEC, and that includes USC. Meaning, surveys like these are relatively useless for the Networks. They have their own calculations

Oregon has been scheduling games against the big boys for a while. And they often end up in the L column (a 49-3 shellacking by Georgia last season tops the list). Now, I used to have a lot more connections to the thinking of Oregon's athletic department and coaches thru the Mike Bellotti days. Even some in the Chip Kelly days. But now I only know one guy who is 'in-the-know', marginally. Mostly big donors.

Anyway I asked him a couple of years ago why Oregon was scheduling these very difficult games, seemingly every year, on the road, against teams like LSU, Michigan State, Nebraska, Auburn, Ohio State, Georgia. His reply was simple "Branding". Having big games early in the season gets tons of media attention and draws millions of eyeballs. I know you don't credit branding as a factor, but it clear that Oregon has been laser-focused on branding for 20 years. Eugene-Springfield has a metro population of 382,000. Spokane, for instance, has a metro population of 593,000. By market size, the UofO would not qualify for a power conference

obviously, winning contributes to branding. Having Chip Kelly's blur offense and lightning tempo, while winning, and wearing fancy uniforms, contributed a lot to branding. Oregon has won 8 Pac-12 championships in football since 2000. They played in 4 Rose Bowls and won 3; three Fiesta Bowls and won 2. In the same period, OSU/WSU combined for one Pac-12 championships, 1 Rose Bowl, and 1 Fiesta Bowl. They were 1-1 in the bowls and the last appearance, like the last championship, was 22 years ago

I know you don't want to credit winning and branding as factors, but it's obvious they were the reason Oregon made it to the Big-10 while OSU/WSU are filing lawsuits
Not every single thing has to come back to the ducks and how it affects them!
 
I hear that laying an 80 burger on a team helps with branding.
Disfiguring ears helps as well.
 
Alex, I'll take "Posts barfo doesn't understand" for $200, please.

barfo
Oregon beat Portland State on Saturday, 81-7, to set the modern program record for points in a game.

A Portland State football player had his "ear ripped off" during the Vikings' 81-7 loss to Oregon on Saturday, according to Portland State head football coach Bruce Barnum.
 
Oregon beat Portland State on Saturday, 81-7, to set the modern program record for points in a game.

A Portland State football player had his "ear ripped off" during the Vikings' 81-7 loss to Oregon on Saturday, according to Portland State head football coach Bruce Barnum.

Ah! Thank you.

barfo
 
Oregon beat Portland State on Saturday, 81-7, to set the modern program record for points in a game.

A Portland State football player had his "ear ripped off" during the Vikings' 81-7 loss to Oregon on Saturday, according to Portland State head football coach Bruce Barnum.

I have to explain my jokes often to my wife. The jokes don't get better in the synopsis
 
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