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I hope Oregon and Washington stay in the Pac whatever.
UCLA and USC will make more money but could become irrelevant as contending football programs.

Oregon and Washington are a better base quality-wise for a conference than UCLA and USC and everyone knows that. Maybe that's one of the reasons USC and UCLA are leaving. Might as well take the money if they can't dominate the conference.

Oregon has a great brand that is independent of playing against UCLA and USC. There's no need to join the Big 10.
 
Doesn't look good for the Pac as its expected that AZ,ASU & Utah to move to the little 12.
Fox will push big10 to swoop in for the Ducks, Huskies, Trees & Bears.
Going to be tough on OSU & WSU......
 
blazerfan11 said:
I hope Oregon and Washington stay in the Pac whatever.
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that's just slow death; and maybe not that slow....they may as well cancel football

over the 7 years of the new media deals, the estimates are that Big-10 teams like Rutgers and Maryland will be getting 470-530M; SEC teams will be around 450-500M. Oregon/Washington under the rumored media deals would be getting 120-140M. Over the decade starting in 2024, Rutgers could be earning 800M; Oregon could be earning less than 200M. A 500-600M gap is in-surmountable. And that does not even factor media exposure for recruiting
 
"The Big Ten has begun exploratory discussions about expanding membership to 18 or even 20 teams, industry sources have told Yahoo Sports. The schools being considered are Oregon and Washington if the league adds two schools, and Cal and Stanford if it wants to move to 20."

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-bi...on-washington-cal-and-stanford-173934989.html

this is from Dan Wetzel so it's from a credible journalist, not some half-assed blogger

tweet of the same:


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https://www.si.com/college/2023/08/02/big-ten-expansion-oregon-washington-pac-12-cal-stanford

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and of course, can't have an Oregon story without a bitter-beav showing up:

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wizenheimer said:
that's just slow death; and maybe not that slow....they may as well cancel football

over the 7 years of the new media deals, the estimates are that Big-10 teams like Rutgers and Maryland will be getting 470-530M; SEC teams will be around 450-500M. Oregon/Washington under the rumored media deals would be getting 120-140M. Over the decade starting in 2024, Rutgers could be earning 800M; Oregon could be earning less than 200M. A 500-600M gap is in-surmountable. And that does not even factor media exposure for recruiting
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Is Rutgers going to be recruiting better than Oregon and field a better team?
 
Unless the players are going to directly get a share of all this money by being paid, what's the competitive difference for Oregon?

So what if Rutgers makes a billion dollars and has a 5-5 record.
Are players actually going to be impressed by that? What's the Rutgers football brand?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I feel really bad for Oregon State in all of this. Absolutely fucked.

They expanded their stadium based on the TV and attendance revenue of a Power 5 conference team.
They're paying Jonathan Smith the salary of a Power 5 conference coach.

The Pac Fuckup is going to be the Mountain West next season. There won't be enough revenue coming in starting next season to meet their budget commitments.
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Sly I think you should save your feelings…..OSU may actually start winning some games in multiple sports, which can only be good for them and their programs. I’m quite sure they are tired of being at the bottom of a Power conference and wouldn’t mind 20 years of success in a weaker one.
 
THE HCP said:
Sly I think you should save your feelings…..OSU may actually start winning some games in multiple sports, which can only be good for them and their programs. I’m quite sure they are tired of being at the bottom of a Power conference and wouldn’t mind 20 years of success in a weaker one.
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Who's going to be watching it? Not me.
 
blazerfan11 said:
Is Rutgers going to be recruiting better than Oregon and field a better team?
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if the Ducks can't recruit Southern Cal anymore because they never play there; and if they start getting shut out in Texas, it's entirely possible

this isn't just about pure recruiting though. You need to have a high level coach and those are costing 7-10M/year; and high level assistant coaching staffs are adding another 3M. That's half of what the Ducks would be getting from the media deal. It's simply unsustainable
 
by the way, I would still rate the odds of Oregon getting into the Big-10 about 50-50. Too many monkey-wrenches laying in the path
 
THE HCP said:
Sly I think you should save your feelings…..OSU may actually start winning some games in multiple sports, which can only be good for them and their programs. I’m quite sure they are tired of being at the bottom of a Power conference and wouldn’t mind 20 years of success in a weaker one.
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This post can fuck off.
 
wizenheimer said:
if the Ducks can't recruit Southern Cal anymore because they never play there; and if they start getting shut out in Texas, it's entirely possible

this isn't just about pure recruiting though. You need to have a high level coach and those are costing 7-10M/year; and high level assistant coaching staffs are adding another 3M. That's half of what the Ducks would be getting from the media deal. It's simply unsustainable
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A conference with overflowing money paying its coaches $50 million per year can't all be winners. That's where Rutgers is at. Even if by some miracle they out-recruit Oregon which is far-fetched, the are not going out-recruit Ohio State and Michigan.
If the Ducks get a ton more money by joining a different conference, they'll be in the same boat.
 
Where is the NCAA in all of this?

A coach buys a player a hamburger and the NCAA is all upset.

An entire conference gets fucked by USC to the point of collapse and the NCAA is silent?

The NCAA can't call CBS and TNT and say you know, maybe we should see what Apple TV will offer for March Madness the next time the contract is up.

The Pac 12 has run a clean conference with high academic standards and graduation rates. The very things that the NCAA is supposed to monitor and promote.

It's in the best interest of the student-athletes to have strong and successful athletic conferences across the entire nation.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Where is the NCAA in all of this?

A coach buys a player a hamburger and the NCAA is all upset.

An entire conference gets fucked by USC to the point of collapse and the NCAA is silent?

The NCAA can't call CBS and TNT and say you know, maybe we should see what Apple TV will offer for March Madness the next time the contract is up.

The Pac 12 has run a clean conference with high academic standards and graduation rates. The very things that the NCAA is supposed to monitor and promote.

It's in the best interest of the student-athletes to have strong and successful athletic conferences across the entire nation.
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The NCAA is impotent.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Where is the NCAA in all of this?

A coach buys a player a hamburger and the NCAA is all upset.

An entire conference gets fucked by USC to the point of collapse and the NCAA is silent?

The NCAA can't call CBS and TNT and say you know, maybe we should see what Apple TV will offer for March Madness the next time the contract is up.

The Pac 12 has run a clean conference with high academic standards and graduation rates. The very things that the NCAA is supposed to monitor and promote.

It's in the best interest of the student-athletes to have strong and successful athletic conferences across the entire nation.
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If the NBA commish can say no to a trade, can't the NCAA say no to USC and UCLA leaving the PAC-12 unless there is a fair and equitable TV contract for the Pac-12?

Sounds like FOX, ESPN, and others are behind the scenes trying to get super conferences and are willing to fuck smaller universities over to make it happen.

Does the NCAA really think the TV networks won't come for them next? "Leave the NCAA and we'll set up a Super Conference of the top 30 Football and Men's Basketball programs." Let the NCAA deal with women's sports and soccer.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
If the NBA commish can say no to a trade, can't the NCAA say no to USC and UCLA leaving the PAC-12 unless there is a fair and equitable TV contract for the Pac-12?

Sounds like FOX, ESPN, and others are behind the scenes trying to get super conferences and are willing to fuck smaller universities over to make it happen.

Does the NCAA really think the TV networks won't come for them next? "Leave the NCAA and we'll set up a Super Conference of the top 30 Football and Men's Basketball programs." Let the NCAA deal with women's sports and soccer.
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The NCAA says the Oregon lottery can't offer betting on college sports but they'll let college sports here die or be severely hurt?

Fucking hypocrisy.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
If the NBA commish can say no to a trade, can't the NCAA say no to USC and UCLA leaving the PAC-12 unless there is a fair and equitable TV contract for the Pac-12?

Sounds like FOX, ESPN, and others are behind the scenes trying to get super conferences and are willing to fuck smaller universities over to make it happen.

Does the NCAA really think the TV networks won't come for them next? "Leave the NCAA and we'll set up a Super Conference of the top 30 Football and Men's Basketball programs." Let the NCAA deal with women's sports and soccer.
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I think we all know this is already going to happen. The NCAA knows as well. They are just riding it out as long as they can...
 
Players on the Oregon football roster birthplace: Alabama, California, Missouri, Arizona, Texas, Kansas, Oregon, Illinois, Tennessee, Nebraska, Georgia, Hawaii, Maryland, Washington, Utah, Nevada, New York, Utah, Florida, North Carolina, Mississippi, Minnesota, Georgia, Germany, Virginia, Indiana, Kentucky, Victoria Australia.

The Oregon Ducks football team is a National Brand. Players are recruited nationwide and the program is known nationwide.

The Ducks played Zero games in SoCal last season and are scheduled to play Zero games in SoCal this coming season.

If playing a game in SoCal is important, why not schedule a neutral-site game in Los Angeles at SoFi stadium?
USC and UCLA won't be in the conference any longer.
 
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SlyPokerDog said:
The NCAA says the Oregon lottery can't offer betting on college sports but they'll let college sports here die or be severely hurt?

Fucking hypocrisy.
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NCAA could instantly make this shit better by saying the PAC-12/9/5 whatever will always have a slot in the expanded college football playoffs, the same number of guaranteed slots as the B1G whatever.
 
As of yesterday morning my daughter is officially and NCAA athlete. Proud dad moment. She will be playing in the WCC, so none of this impacts her other than playing Power 5s ……OSU/Cal/Stanford/Georgia and national champ UCLA in the preseason. You should see the “broadcasts” on the WCC “Network”.
Might as well be middle schoolers…..HA!

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wizenheimer said:
by the way, I would still rate the odds of Oregon getting into the Big-10 about 50-50. Too many monkey-wrenches laying in the path
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If the Ducks are mediocre in the big 10 and the Beavers are perennial contenders in the Mountain West football fandom in Oregon could change in favor of the Beavers.
I remember the mediocre / laggard days of the ducks and it wasn't great.
I mean look at Blazermania its just a thing of the past anymore.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
NCAA could instantly make this shit better by saying the PAC-12/9/5 whatever will always have a slot in the expanded college football playoffs, the same number of guaranteed slots as the B1G whatever.
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won't ever happen. In fact, the auto-bid system for P5+1 conferences is going to expire in the 2nd season of the 12-team playoff, IIRC

what will probably happen is the Big-10+SEC will be getting 6-9 of the 12 playoff spots, and the Big-12, ACC, and Pac (assuming it survives) will be fighting for the rest

the NCAA is toothless and the main reason for it is that the NCAA doesn't have an anti-trust exemption like the NFL/NBA. The NCAA's power survived for decades because it was never really challenged. But NIL has altered the landscape entirely and the SCOTUS has essentially ruled that the NCAA can't regulate NIL without that exemption...which they will never get

My guess is in the future, probably a 10-year window, the Big-10 & SEC will probably hold 40-50 teams and they will tell the NCAA to pound sand and form their own association....for football at least.
 
THE HCP said:
As of yesterday morning my daughter is officially and NCAA athlete. Proud dad moment. She will be playing in the WCC, so none of this impacts her other than playing Power 5s ……OSU/Cal/Stanford/Georgia and national champ UCLA in the preseason. You should see the “broadcasts” on the WCC “Network”.
Might as well be middle schoolers…..HA!

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Congrats to the proud Dad!
 
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