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Natebishop3 said:
50 sounded high considering we originally heard something like 30.
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$30m + slight increase until 2030, full share starting 2030, averaged over 10 years. Sounds about right to me.

Seems much more realistic than the rumor of full share in 2024.
 
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Isn't there a season being played this year, or are we just here to talk about money? We have our season tickets, excited to sit back on the southwest side. My "old seats" in new seats! Single game tickets go on sale at 9am!
 
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Shaboid said:
Isn't there a season being played this year, or are we just here to talk about money? We have our season tickets, excited to sit back on the southeast side. My "old seats" in new seats! Single game tickets go on sale at 9am!
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This would be a great place to give us your notes/insight about fall camp so far. What do you got?
 
Shaboid said:
Isn't there a season being played this year, or are we just here to talk about money? We have our season tickets, excited to sit back on the southeast side. My "old seats" in new seats! Single game tickets go on sale at 9am!
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Well, this thread is about the demise of the PAC. Probably wouldn’t to start a new thread about the season.
 
Tince said:
$30m + slight increase until 2030, full share starting 2030, averaged over 10 years. Sounds about right to me.

Seems much more realistic than the rumor of full share in 2024.
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that's the math I understood:

33M/year X 6 years = 198M
75M/year X 4 years = 300M

498M over 10 years = 50M/year

now, that's just the media partners payout, mostly for football. I think there is some basketball content involved in that payout. The conference may still be able to sell some tier 2 basketball rights, but maybe that's all going to FOX thru the BIG's partnership of the Big-10 network

there was talk in BIG circles about the possibility of selling Friday and Saturday night content if the conference had 4 Pacific teams. But I seriously doubt that FOX agreed to add more money so some other media entity could get that content. It's what FOX wanted most. Duck fans should brace themselves for lots of night games at Autzen

another source of income that isn't part of that is the network/media payouts for March Madness. IIRC they pay 340K/game to each conference time number of games conference teams play in the tournament. The PAC drops those monies into a 6-year pool and pays out 1/6th each year based upon the 6-year average

I don't know what formula the BIG uses, and I don't know if the Ducks will start out with a full share of that

and of course, each school gets to keep the gate receipts for ticket sales at games. Oregon made over 20M from football in 2022 IIRC, and they only had 4 conference games at home. This coming season, they'll have 5
 
Tince said:
Not saying I know it's wrong, but I can't figure out why Oregon's president would announce Oregon will average $50m/year in media revenue over the next 10 years, when in fact they're starting out at $60m/year in 2024.
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Getting that extra money on the down low. Don’t want to piss off the schools already in the league or UW?
When a club recruited my daughter to switch teams….they sweetened the offer by not charging us the $10,000 team fee and $2,500 fee for swag and gear as long as we promised to keep it hush hush. Other parents whose kids are on the team would have lost their minds they said HA!!!!
 
THE HCP said:
Getting that extra money on the down low. Don’t want to piss off the schools already in the league or UW?
When a club recruited my daughter to switch teams….they sweetened the offer by not charging us the $10,000 team fee and $2,500 fee for swag and gear as long as we promised to keep it hush hush. Other parents whose kids are on the team would have lost their minds they said HA!!!!
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Unlike your club soccer dealings, the Oregon football revenue has to be part of the public record anyway, so there is no real way/advantage to hiding it in the short-term.
 
Jason Scheer is the Arizon beat reporter for 247 and has been right about everything that has happened with the PAC since USC/UCLA left. He wrote a pretty detailed piece about the Pac's demise today:

" There’s been a lot of finger pointing and misinformation through the media and elsewhere, so we found it necessary to set some things straight and discuss how the Pac-12 got to the point it is now.

In order to understand how we got here, we need to go back to when the Pac-12 decided to go to market. There was absolutely a deal to be had at the time and it was around $30 million. There’s a good chance it would have gotten to the Big 12 level of $31.7 million and it would have been almost completely linear.

Pac-12 Commissioner George Kliavkoff went to the conference presidents and the deal was turned down by most. What’s become comical in the past few days is that one of the most vocal presidents, Washington State’s Kirk Schulz, was one of the original members of the conference that turned down that same deal. Kliavkoff then went back to ESPN with a new offer of $41 million and it was quickly rejected.

Remember the comments by Andrew Marchand nearly a year ago that were looked down upon?

“The Pac-12 and ESPN, hundreds of millions of dollars apart,” Marchand said on his podcast. “They are not even close. That is going to be interesting where that goes in terms of negotiations. And will teams jump? When you’re that far apart, that means something has to happen. I’m not saying it’s going to happen, I don’t have any information on this, but something that’s just conjecture: do one of the digital players get involved with the Pac-12?”

Once Brett Yormark understood the landscape and what the Pac-12 was doing, he went to market and the Big 12 basically took the Pac-12 deal. That meant that ESPN was no longer in the picture like the Pac-12 wanted it to be and Fox was never going to be a major player because it had plenty of content.

Simply put, the anonymous quotes and Pac-12 writers overvalued the conference and undervalued how smart the networks were in accomplishing what they wanted.

Amazon was never seriously in the picture either and it was known for months that Apple would want full control.

It’s important to know this: Since the Pac-12 turned down the initial deal with ESPN, it was never close to another one. The closest it came was a few weeks ago when Kliavkoff presented a deal that no school with options was going to agree to.

Let’s fast forward to that week that saw twists and turns that were mostly created by Pac-12 media and some national as well.

ESPN’s Pete Thamel presented the idea that Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah were basically tied at the hip. Sources indicate that the person pushing this in the media was Arizona State President Michael Crow. He wanted it to seem that they were all together because it would put pressure on Utah and Arizona when Arizona State made the decision it was going to stay.

Crow was about as stubborn as it gets for the schools that had options. He did not want to leave the Pac-12 behind because it would be viewed as a loss. Remember, this was Larry Scott’s right hand man and the president that told everybody how far ahead the Pac-12 would be in a matter of years.

The ASU president simply has no idea about the landscape of college athletics because it’s not as important to him as it is others.

Meanwhile, Arizona president Robert C. Robbins had already made up his mind. Colorado going to the Big 12 was one of the worst kept secrets in college athletics. If George Kliavkoff did not know that the Buffs were leaving the conference, he deserved to be fired on the spot. Most schools were operating under the belief that Colorado was gone and it was just a matter of time.

Arizona may not have been at that level, but the administration was planning the departure for longer than any of the remaining schools. The idea that Robbins deserved an Oscar or was openly telling people he was staying is something that nobody would confirm to us, likely because it was not true.

Our source was consistent with its messaging for months: “Everything is on track.” Those four words indicated that a Big 12 move was the plan unless the Pac-12 came back with some remarkable numbers.

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We do acknowledge that Crow tried to ruin the entire thing, though Robbins was planning to go without ASU and ask for forgiveness later if he had to.

At the Arizona Board of Regents meeting on August 4, sources that were in the room said that Crow was “embarrassing” in his behavior. At that point there were multiple people in the ASU Athletic Department that recognized the need to move to the Big 12, but convincing Crow was a completely different animal. Arizona left the meeting with the belief that it would still wind up in the Big 12, but Crow had not done the Wildcats any favors.

The following day was the craziest day of the realignment process. We reported earlier that week that Oregon and Washington already had their invitations to the Big 10 and were ready to accept them. There was going to be one more meeting on that Friday morning and schools would show up out of professional courtesy and all the moves would be made.

"We were all expecting, Friday morning, we were showing up together to sign in blood our grant of rights over to the Pac-12 Conference," Arizona president Robert Robbins said at his press conference this past Monday.

That quote is a game of semantics. They may have been expecting the signature, but that was because they were expecting a new deal or at least something more inviting. We reported that the number presented earlier in the week was $23 million, which wasn’t going to be close to good enough.

Instead, word spread that there was no better deal to be had and Washington and Oregon decided to go away from professional courtesy and not even attend the meeting.

“It was not the deal we had been discussing just days before, and it was not going to secure [the conference],” UW president Ana Mari Cauce said. “When you have a deal where people are saying one of the best aspects of it is that you can get out of it in two years, that tells you a lot.”

Washington and Oregon never intended to sign the deal and have now taken the blame since the conference broke up. That was by design and something that both schools have no problems with whatsoever. Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah agreed that they needed someone else to blame and Washington and Oregon gladly accepted the responsibility considering it has a new home and a lot more money.

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That brings us back to the one of our original points in how everything was covered. There was one event that really sticks out in all of this.

Pac-12 writer John Canzano claimed in an article that he had talked to a high ranking source at Arizona that had basically told him he did not know where all the Big 12 talk was coming from.

Without giving away too many details, someone high up at Arizona came up to me at football practice one day and said “I don’t know who he’s talking to, but it’s nobody at Arizona that would know.”

Canzano proceeded to say how he was talking to a high ranking source at Arizona and we’re confident in saying that was never the case. Those conversations never happened and if he was talking to someone at Arizona, that person wasn’t in the room or important enough to quote.
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The media isn’t responsible for the collapse of the Pac-12, but it is partially responsible for the false confidence that surrounded the conference. For nearly a year we wrote about how we did not know where a deal would come from. While we were doing that, writers were saying that there was a clear deal to be had and it would surpass the Big 12. It was never going to do that and a deal that would have done that was never even presented.

Other school presidents began laughing at some of these quotes, as it was obvious where they were coming from. It’s no coincidence that those quotes very likely came from the two schools that are looking for a home right now.

The Pac-12 died months ago because of decisions made at the highest levels and the same hubris that got it here in the first place. The schools presidents going to the media now are the same ones that helped the death of the Pac-12 move along. It all could have been avoided and did not have to get to this point, but the blame game and false narratives now aren’t doing anybody any favors."

https://247sports.com/college/arizo...and-inside-story-failed-media-deal-214257173/
 
wizenheimer said:
Jason Scheer is the Arizon beat reporter for 247 and has been right about everything that has happened with the PAC since USC/UCLA left. He wrote a pretty detailed piece about the Pac's demise today:

" There’s been a lot of finger pointing and misinformation through the media and elsewhere, so we found it necessary to set some things straight and discuss how the Pac-12 got to the point it is now.

In order to understand how we got here, we need to go back to when the Pac-12 decided to go to market. There was absolutely a deal to be had at the time and it was around $30 million. There’s a good chance it would have gotten to the Big 12 level of $31.7 million and it would have been almost completely linear.

Pac-12 Commissioner George Kliavkoff went to the conference presidents and the deal was turned down by most. What’s become comical in the past few days is that one of the most vocal presidents, Washington State’s Kirk Schulz, was one of the original members of the conference that turned down that same deal. Kliavkoff then went back to ESPN with a new offer of $41 million and it was quickly rejected.

Remember the comments by Andrew Marchand nearly a year ago that were looked down upon?

“The Pac-12 and ESPN, hundreds of millions of dollars apart,” Marchand said on his podcast. “They are not even close. That is going to be interesting where that goes in terms of negotiations. And will teams jump? When you’re that far apart, that means something has to happen. I’m not saying it’s going to happen, I don’t have any information on this, but something that’s just conjecture: do one of the digital players get involved with the Pac-12?”

Once Brett Yormark understood the landscape and what the Pac-12 was doing, he went to market and the Big 12 basically took the Pac-12 deal. That meant that ESPN was no longer in the picture like the Pac-12 wanted it to be and Fox was never going to be a major player because it had plenty of content.

Simply put, the anonymous quotes and Pac-12 writers overvalued the conference and undervalued how smart the networks were in accomplishing what they wanted.

Amazon was never seriously in the picture either and it was known for months that Apple would want full control.

It’s important to know this: Since the Pac-12 turned down the initial deal with ESPN, it was never close to another one. The closest it came was a few weeks ago when Kliavkoff presented a deal that no school with options was going to agree to.

Let’s fast forward to that week that saw twists and turns that were mostly created by Pac-12 media and some national as well.

ESPN’s Pete Thamel presented the idea that Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah were basically tied at the hip. Sources indicate that the person pushing this in the media was Arizona State President Michael Crow. He wanted it to seem that they were all together because it would put pressure on Utah and Arizona when Arizona State made the decision it was going to stay.

Crow was about as stubborn as it gets for the schools that had options. He did not want to leave the Pac-12 behind because it would be viewed as a loss. Remember, this was Larry Scott’s right hand man and the president that told everybody how far ahead the Pac-12 would be in a matter of years.

The ASU president simply has no idea about the landscape of college athletics because it’s not as important to him as it is others.

Meanwhile, Arizona president Robert C. Robbins had already made up his mind. Colorado going to the Big 12 was one of the worst kept secrets in college athletics. If George Kliavkoff did not know that the Buffs were leaving the conference, he deserved to be fired on the spot. Most schools were operating under the belief that Colorado was gone and it was just a matter of time.

Arizona may not have been at that level, but the administration was planning the departure for longer than any of the remaining schools. The idea that Robbins deserved an Oscar or was openly telling people he was staying is something that nobody would confirm to us, likely because it was not true.

Our source was consistent with its messaging for months: “Everything is on track.” Those four words indicated that a Big 12 move was the plan unless the Pac-12 came back with some remarkable numbers.

***********************************************************************

We do acknowledge that Crow tried to ruin the entire thing, though Robbins was planning to go without ASU and ask for forgiveness later if he had to.

At the Arizona Board of Regents meeting on August 4, sources that were in the room said that Crow was “embarrassing” in his behavior. At that point there were multiple people in the ASU Athletic Department that recognized the need to move to the Big 12, but convincing Crow was a completely different animal. Arizona left the meeting with the belief that it would still wind up in the Big 12, but Crow had not done the Wildcats any favors.

The following day was the craziest day of the realignment process. We reported earlier that week that Oregon and Washington already had their invitations to the Big 10 and were ready to accept them. There was going to be one more meeting on that Friday morning and schools would show up out of professional courtesy and all the moves would be made.

"We were all expecting, Friday morning, we were showing up together to sign in blood our grant of rights over to the Pac-12 Conference," Arizona president Robert Robbins said at his press conference this past Monday.

That quote is a game of semantics. They may have been expecting the signature, but that was because they were expecting a new deal or at least something more inviting. We reported that the number presented earlier in the week was $23 million, which wasn’t going to be close to good enough.

Instead, word spread that there was no better deal to be had and Washington and Oregon decided to go away from professional courtesy and not even attend the meeting.

“It was not the deal we had been discussing just days before, and it was not going to secure [the conference],” UW president Ana Mari Cauce said. “When you have a deal where people are saying one of the best aspects of it is that you can get out of it in two years, that tells you a lot.”

Washington and Oregon never intended to sign the deal and have now taken the blame since the conference broke up. That was by design and something that both schools have no problems with whatsoever. Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah agreed that they needed someone else to blame and Washington and Oregon gladly accepted the responsibility considering it has a new home and a lot more money.

**********************************************************

That brings us back to the one of our original points in how everything was covered. There was one event that really sticks out in all of this.

Pac-12 writer John Canzano claimed in an article that he had talked to a high ranking source at Arizona that had basically told him he did not know where all the Big 12 talk was coming from.

Without giving away too many details, someone high up at Arizona came up to me at football practice one day and said “I don’t know who he’s talking to, but it’s nobody at Arizona that would know.”

Canzano proceeded to say how he was talking to a high ranking source at Arizona and we’re confident in saying that was never the case. Those conversations never happened and if he was talking to someone at Arizona, that person wasn’t in the room or important enough to quote.
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The media isn’t responsible for the collapse of the Pac-12, but it is partially responsible for the false confidence that surrounded the conference. For nearly a year we wrote about how we did not know where a deal would come from. While we were doing that, writers were saying that there was a clear deal to be had and it would surpass the Big 12. It was never going to do that and a deal that would have done that was never even presented.

Other school presidents began laughing at some of these quotes, as it was obvious where they were coming from. It’s no coincidence that those quotes very likely came from the two schools that are looking for a home right now.

The Pac-12 died months ago because of decisions made at the highest levels and the same hubris that got it here in the first place. The schools presidents going to the media now are the same ones that helped the death of the Pac-12 move along. It all could have been avoided and did not have to get to this point, but the blame game and false narratives now aren’t doing anybody any favors."

https://247sports.com/college/arizo...and-inside-story-failed-media-deal-214257173/
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People that made their beds and now they don’t want to lay in them. If I was OSU or WSU I would be cleaning house. Bring in completely new blood. Wash the stink off.
 
barfo said:
What is going on in that video? What is the orange stuff in the water? Why are they trying to hold a chain link fence across the river?

barfo
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better get your eye sight checked pirate, them are yellow duckies.
USE would love OSU in the big versus UO...
 
THE HCP said:
I’m surprised a Coug or Beav even has ACCESS to electricity or modern technology in order to even create such a masterpiece. #BAM
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Should probably leave these quips to those of us that know the difference between Affect and Effect along with other basics of the English language.
 
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bigbailes said:
Should probably leave these quips to those of us that know the differences between Affect and Effect along with other basics of the English language.
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grammar-grammar-police.gif
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm just looking for an excuse to blast infection/inflection your direction....but only after you describe the difference between then and than
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This post has a very... flatulent vibe...

And I mean that in the nicest way possible. I don't know... It just struck me funny...
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm just looking for an excuse to blast infection/inflection your direction....but only after you describe the difference between then and than
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Never had a problem with the whole ……then or than……or you’re and your.
The effect/affect will haunt me the rest of my days.
 
THE HCP said:
Never had a problem with the whole ……then or than……or you’re and your.
The effect/affect will haunt me the rest of my days.
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How about THERE, THEIR and THEY'RE ... seems like those would trip you up some!
 
Four AAC schools set to join the Pac-12 expansion as George Kliavkoff looks for a last-minute revival: Reports


https://www.sportskeeda.com/amp/col...e-kliavkoff-looks-last-minute-revival-reports


The Pac-12 expansion is set to take off in a dramatic turn of events. The survival of the conference within the college sports landscape is beginning to gain momentum against all odds. This will help preserve the over 100-year history and legacy of the league.

According to college football insider "MHver3" on Twitter, four schools from the American Athletic Conference have shown commitment to the Pac-12 expansion. Notably, an eight-school membership is enough to keep the Pac-12 alive.

The identity of the schools interested in joining the Pac-12 wasn't revealed. However, it is believed that SMU, USF, and Memphis are among them. The three universities deeply desire to become a Power Five school, and the expansion offers it.


 
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