Palin: Obama "palling around with terrorists"

[RipCity]

Obama had no sort of close relationship with Ayers...

Wright is part of a church that helps the black community and O has no history of spewing hate like Wright.

Clearly you just do not want to read anything that doesn't support your opinion. There is quite a connection between Obama and Ayers. Normally I'd take the time and post links to support this, but lets get real, you won't read it, and even if you did it wouldn't change your opinion.

And yes, he has no history of spewing hate like that. However, Wright does, remember he was Obama's "Spiritual advisor" until it was political suicide to do anything but denounce him.

Americans aren't dumb enough that you can try to campaign for the last 3 months without talking about issues at all. This isn't the Republican primaries. Even Bush tried to talk about the issues.

Actually the majority of Americans are pretty dumb all things considered, their sheep. Obama doesn't talk about the issues any more than McCain.

 

[huevonkiller]

Clearly you just do not want to read anything that doesn't support your opinion. There is quite a connection between Obama and Ayers. Normally I'd take the time and post links to support this, but lets get real, you won't read it, and even if you did it wouldn't change your opinion.

And yes, he has no history of spewing hate like that. However, Wright does, remember he was Obama's "Spiritual advisor" until it was political suicide to do anything but denounce him.

There's no significant connection, various newspapers have reported on it.

 

[Денг Гордон]

Three days after a mostly gaffe-free debate performance, the Alaska governor fumbled during a speech in which she praised U.S. soldiers for “fighting terrorism and protecting us and our democratic values”.

“They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan,” she told several hundred supporters at a fundraising event in San Francisco.

http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/20...in-calls-afghanistan-our-neighboring-country/

 

[Dumpy]

Three days after a mostly gaffe-free debate performance, the Alaska governor fumbled during a speech in which she praised U.S. soldiers for “fighting terrorism and protecting us and our democratic values”.

“They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan,” she told several hundred supporters at a fundraising event in San Francisco.

http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/20...in-calls-afghanistan-our-neighboring-country/

Well, you can see it from Alaska, I hear.

What was she wearing? that's the important thing.

 

[RipCity]

Three days after a mostly gaffe-free debate performance, the Alaska governor fumbled during a speech in which she praised U.S. soldiers for “fighting terrorism and protecting us and our democratic values”.

“They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan,” she told several hundred supporters at a fundraising event in San Francisco.

http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/20...in-calls-afghanistan-our-neighboring-country/

Classic, you could care less about being friendly with a terrorist or Obamas CLOSE relationship with a racist douche like Wright, yet Palin fumbling her words is significant.

There's no significant connection, various newspapers have reported on it.

What exactly is significant for you? Would you be ok with Obama associating with Timothy McVeigh? How about Zacarias Moussaoui? And when I say associating, I mean any sort of contact, never mind the "friendly relationship" Ayers and Obama share? I sure as hell would find it very hard to control myself in the presence of any of the 3. None of you have a leg to stand on, and you know damn well if this was McCain who was friendly with Ayers you would be saying the same thing I am.

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/Ayerssucks.jpg

 

[Bahir]

The guy was a terrorist when Obama was a child. Ayers has obviously been forgiven by society if he has been able to become a university professor/teacher, plus the fact that he has been doing community service. How do you even know Obama knew of Ayers' past when they first met? RipCity, you begin to sound like a religious fanatic, too entrenched in whatever McCain/Palin says to be able to see it for what it really is.

McCain is dodging the issues with his smear campaign, while Obama is the one who actually brings up the economy, healthcare and other things that matter. How can McCain, who is pro-deregulation and a free market support a government bailout? I know enough about economics to know that from a laissez-faire standpoint, the market should sort itself out eventually...

As for Obama's health care plan, what is wrong with giving people who is not covered by their employer, or people that do not have an employer (such as childred), protection by law?

 

[Денг Гордон]

Classic, you could care less about being friendly with a terrorist or Obamas CLOSE relationship with a racist douche like Wright, yet Palin fumbling her words is significant.







What exactly is significant for you? Would you be ok with Obama associating with Timothy McVeigh? How about Zacarias Moussaoui? And when I say associating, I mean any sort of contact, never mind the "friendly relationship" Ayers and Obama share? I sure as hell would find it very hard to control myself in the presence of any of the 3. None of you have a leg to stand on, and you know damn well if this was McCain who was friendly with Ayers you would be saying the same thing I am.

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/Ayerssucks.jpg

Is there something wrong with the Bushes palling around with the Bin Ladens?

 

[Denny Crane]

Or Madeline Albright meeting with our enemy?

 

[Денг Гордон]

Or Madeline Albright meeting with our enemy?

Sarah Palin today, at a rally, talked about jiving on her starbucks mocha (elitist, no), and somehow got talking about the quote on her starbucks cup, how she was jiving with the quote. A photojournalist took a picture of the cup. It was a quote from Madeline Albright, that said, something like "Women who do nothing to help other women deserve to burn in hell"....ouch.

 

[Denny Crane]

What were the results of negotiating with the North Koreans?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2335349.stm

Let's talk to Iran.

 

[porky88]

The problem is that there was already Reverend Wright overkill. Obama can actually thank Hillary and her dirty campaign for that, taking away a potential thing the Republicans could have used in the fall. The media simply won't cover any new Reverend Wright stuff, that comes out of the campaigns that much. If Wright does something crazy, they'll cover it, but if the McCain campaign is just talking about it, the media will just marginalize McCain's campaign.

Trying to juxtapose Obama with terrorists is just a completely ineffective and dumb strategy.

Every dirty trick the Republicans could use has already been put through overkill, so Obama is just cruising along to an easy victory now, while McCain's campaign looks like a three ring circus.

I think if Obama continues to rise and McCain drops, you'll hear his middle name referred to as much as possible.

You'll hear his religion questioned. Basically they'll say he's a Muslim. That shouldn't make a difference and even if he was, that shouldn't matter, but for some reason a lot of people are stupid and think that does matter.

You'll hear things like he's dangerous and he's not one of you or subtle attacks about the fact that he's black.

This won't come from McCain himself and I do kind of think he doesn't like this kind of politics, but the talking heads will do their best.

 

[Денг Гордон]

I think if Obama continues to rise and McCain drops, you'll hear his middle name referred to as much as possible.

You'll hear his religion questioned. Basically they'll say he's a Muslim. That shouldn't make a difference and even if he was, that shouldn't matter, but for some reason a lot of people are stupid and think that does matter.

You'll hear things like he's dangerous and he's not one of you or subtle attacks about the fact that he's black.

This won't come from McCain himself and I do kind of think he doesn't like this kind of politics, but the talking heads will do their best.

I think Obama can just try to play that off as the McCain campaign trying to play off hate, and shortchanging the intelligence of the American people. Then Obama can chime in something like, "It is nice to know that we've grown so much as a nation...." regarding electing someone with the name Hussein.

McCain's done though. Obama won the debate much more convincingly according to the flash polls I've seen. Obama has looked like a lot safer choice in both debates so far.

 

[RipCity]

The guy was a terrorist when Obama was a child. Ayers has obviously been forgiven by society if he has been able to become a university professor/teacher, plus the fact that he has been doing community service. How do you even know Obama knew of Ayers' past when they first met? RipCity, you begin to sound like a religious fanatic, too entrenched in whatever McCain/Palin says to be able to see it for what it really is.

McCain is dodging the issues with his smear campaign, while Obama is the one who actually brings up the economy, healthcare and other things that matter. How can McCain, who is pro-deregulation and a free market support a government bailout? I know enough about economics to know that from a laissez-faire standpoint, the market should sort itself out eventually...

As for Obama's health care plan, what is wrong with giving people who is not covered by their employer, or people that do not have an employer (such as childred), protection by law?

So Ayers was a terrorist when Obama was a child...well McVeigh was a terrorist when I was a child, doesn't change the fact that he's a terrorist and should hold no position of authority and furthermore should have no association whatsoever with someone running to be President. I sound like a religious fanatic? Or are you just using that as a comparison? Either way, I'm pro-choice so I wouldn't call myself a religious fanatic, and as far as fantacism in general I would have to disagree entirely with that. I'm informed and educated about Mr. Obama and see him being President in such shaky times as probably the worst thing that could happen to the U.S. That doesn't make me a fanatic.

The Bushes "palled" around with the Bin Ladens before 9/11, as did many other people of influence in our country. That comparison is totally unapplicable, sorry, nice try.

As for Maddeline Albright, Kim Jung Il is a lunatic dictator, not a terrorist. I don't see how that has any bearing on this conversation.

As for Obama's health care plan, what is wrong with giving people who is not covered by their employer, or people that do not have an employer (such as childred), protection by law?

If you do not have a job and cannot afford health care, it is not the governments responsibility to provide it. I currently do not have any health insurance to speak of even though I am employed, and have blown meniscus in both of my knees and need surgery, they cause me a great deal of pain on a daily basis, but I'm not crying for big brother to take care of it. It is my responsibility.

 

[huevonkiller]

So Ayers was a terrorist when Obama was a child...well McVeigh was a terrorist when I was a child, doesn't change the fact that he's a terrorist and should hold no position of authority and furthermore should have no association whatsoever with someone running to be President. I sound like a religious fanatic? Or are you just using that as a comparison? Either way, I'm pro-choice so I wouldn't call myself a religious fanatic, and as far as fantacism in general I would have to disagree entirely with that. I'm informed and educated about Mr. Obama and see him being President in such shaky times as probably the worst thing that could happen to the U.S. That doesn't make me a fanatic.

The Bushes "palled" around with the Bin Ladens before 9/11, as did many other people of influence in our country. That comparison is totally unapplicable, sorry, nice try.

As for Maddeline Albright, Kim Jung Il is a lunatic dictator, not a terrorist. I don't see how that has any bearing on this conversation.

If you do not have a job and cannot afford health care, it is not the governments responsibility to provide it. I currently do not have any health insurance to speak of even though I am employed, and have blown meniscus in both of my knees and need surgery, they cause me a great deal of pain on a daily basis, but I'm not crying for big brother to take care of it. It is my responsibility.

Yes you do sound like a fanatic. I've probably seen some infamous criminals in my time and I would have no clue who they are since I can't watch the news 24/7. I don't know my acquaintances THAT well either.

 

[Денг Гордон]

The guy is a professor at University of Chicago for goodness sake. The guy is deeply involved in community service. What makes Ayers a bad guy again? Isn't there something that Jesus taught about forgiveness. Society seems to have...Sarah Palin has not...since she apparently knows better than everyone else. What do you think Obama is doing? Help fundraise a community project with Ayers....or planning an attack on the United States in those meetings?

 

[Bahir]

I sound like a religious fanatic? Or are you just using that as a comparison?

Comparison.

The Bushes "palled" around with the Bin Ladens before 9/11, as did many other people of influence in our country. That comparison is totally unapplicable, sorry, nice try.

It might have been before 9/11, but you seem to conveniently forget that Osama bin Laden, as well as relatives, were involved in terrorism way before 2001.

As for Maddeline Albright, Kim Jung Il is a lunatic dictator, not a terrorist. I don't see how that has any bearing on this conversation.

So it's alright to "pal around" with dictators? Because obviously, they are so much more innocent of horrid acts toward other people, right?

If you do not have a job and cannot afford health care, it is not the governments responsibility to provide it. I currently do not have any health insurance to speak of even though I am employed, and have blown meniscus in both of my knees and need surgery, they cause me a great deal of pain on a daily basis, but I'm not crying for big brother to take care of it. It is my responsibility.

That's your view. In my view, if a country "can't" save the lives of it's own citizens because old lady Beth just got shot but doesn't have the money to pay the hospital, that country is inhumane to me. The same goes for other, less serious (but still life-affecting) problems.

 

[Denny Crane]

Is there a statute of limitations on being a terrorist or committing terrorist acts? Rhetorical question! The answer is no.

 

[Bahir]

Is there a statute of limitations on being a terrorist or committing terrorist acts? Rhetorical question! The answer is no.

–noun
1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.
2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
3. (formerly) a member of a political group in Russia aiming at the demoralization of the government by terror.
4. an agent or partisan of the revolutionary tribunal during the Reign of Terror in France.
–adjective
5. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of terrorism or terrorists: terrorist tactics.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorist
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While I do believe that some illegal acts can never be forgiven, in the case of Ayers, if society has forgiven him, that's good enough for me.

Does anyone know to what extent he was involved in that terrorist group? I am not a big fan of guilt by association, as has been made clear.

 

[Denny Crane]

"Society" hasn't forgiven him.

Ayers was a fugitive for 10 years. When he was put on trial, the case was thrown out on a technicality, otherwise he'd be serving a life sentence.

 

[Bahir]

"Society" hasn't forgiven him.

Ayers was a fugitive for 10 years. When he was put on trial, the case was thrown out on a technicality, otherwise he'd be serving a life sentence.

My reason for saying society has forgiven him is that he has been able to become a university professor. I wouldn't expect someone who has committed murder, rape or any other such crime to be able to get that position.

 

[Denny Crane]

My reason for saying society has forgiven him is that he has been able to become a university professor. I wouldn't expect someone who has committed murder, rape or any other such crime to be able to get that position.

They let nazis and communists become university professors. And other assorted lunatics, too. This isn't a basis for "society forgiving" anyone.

 

[Bahir]

They let nazis and communists become university professors. And other assorted lunatics, too. This isn't a basis for "society forgiving" anyone.

Proof? Particularly about the nazis.

As for communists, there is nothing inherently "evil" with their ideology, but the real-world attempts at it has been far from convincing.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://media.www.equinoxnews.com/me....Sudden.Dismissal.Stuns.Students-908666.shtml

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE7DD1531F93BA15751C1A967958260

Noam Chomsky.

 

[el_Diablo]

what's wrong with communists?

 

[Real]

what's wrong with communists?

Communism will never work, since there will always be people at the top that live like kings.

See: Castro, Fidel.

As for Chomsky, recently I was in a bookstore browsing through some history books and I came across a book he wrote, I believe it was called something like "Chomsky on Failed States," in which he argues that America resembles a failed state. I just remember putting it down and asking myself that if America was a failed state then what isn't a failed state?

 

[Chutney]

Communism will never work, since there will always be people at the top that live like kings.

Yea, but why would you group it in with anti-semitism/hate speech? I don't see the problem in having a professor who's a communist.

 

[Bahir]

http://media.www.equinoxnews.com/me....Sudden.Dismissal.Stuns.Students-908666.shtml

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE7DD1531F93BA15751C1A967958260

Noam Chomsky.

Your first link doesn't support your point - it contradicts it. The professor was fired after his racism was discovered - obviously he was not hired with that knowledge available.

The second link is just confusing, I can't draw anything out of it.