Palin or Fey

[Minstrel]

What is the evidence that anyone would?

There isn't. Not from experience. I haven't been propping up Obama by saying his experience shows he'll be a good President. I like Obama for other reasons, mostly his stance on social issues. I just think the idea that Palin has noteworthy experience for the position of VP or President to be silly.

 

[MARIS61]

Well, the whole basis of this thread is the lack of experience of Palin, hence my bringing it up.

No, it isn't.

It's who is most qualified. (See my original post and the poll)

You are correct that you brought it up, but it's not what intelligent people will use to determine who is most qualified.

There are a myriad of more important factors that make a good VP/P. Character traits, life experiences, job experience in both the private sector and public sector, entrepreneurship, creativity, confidence, bravery, quick-wittedness, ability to read people, oratory skills, ability to communicate ideas and thoughts, understanding of different cultures, team-building skills...

 

[cpawfan]

Really? I think that's exactly what's happening.

How does that happen in an election based upon sound bite politics and spinning to manipulate the sheep (the average voter)?

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

There isn't. Not from experience. I haven't been propping up Obama by saying his experience shows he'll be a good President. I like Obama for other reasons, mostly his stance on social issues. I just think the idea that Palin has noteworthy experience for the position of VP or President to be silly.

Well then, what do you say to those that support Palin for her stance on social issues? They are basing their choice on the same criteria you are.

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

No, it isn't.

It's who is most qualified. (See my original post and the poll)

You are correct that you brought it up, but it's not what intelligent people will use to determine who is most qualified.

There are a myriad of more important factors that make a good VP/P. Character traits, life experiences, job experience in both the private sector and public sector, entrepreneurship, creativity, confidence, bravery, quick-wittedness, ability to read people, oratory skills, ability to communicate ideas and thoughts, understanding of different cultures, team-building skills...

So a hollywood actress > governor of a state when it comes to these "myriad of important factors" as it relates to the Vice Presidency?

 

[Minstrel]

Well then, what do you say to those that support Palin for her stance on social issues? They are basing their choice on the same criteria you are.

I disagree with them, politically. What else is there to say to them?

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

I disagree with them, politically. What else is there to say to them?

Well, you could attempt to make fun of their candidate by mockingly assuming that a hollywood actor who happens to look like your candidate would make a better VP/President based on nothing other than...well, I don't know where Maris was going with this one.

 

[MARIS61]

I'm not sure what Fey's business interests are...maybe you can divulge them? I mean what business interest has she built that is more important than a State of the Union?

You can look on Wiki if you wish.

More important? Not MY words. I said "She has built a highly-successful business empire, one far more complex and effective than the State Government of Alaska, amassing numerous awards in her craft along the way."

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

You can look on Wiki if you wish.

More important? Not MY words. I said "She has built a highly-successful business empire, one far more complex and effective than the State Government of Alaska, amassing numerous awards in her craft along the way."

I won't look it up, I'll just assume you're fabricating this all.

 

[Minstrel]

Well, you could attempt to make fun of their candidate by mockingly assuming that a hollywood actor who happens to look like your candidate would make a better VP/President based on nothing other than...well, I don't know where Maris was going with this one.

You seem aggrieved by this thread, but you spent a lot of threads mocking Obama and his supporters. Why the consternation? It seems unlike you.

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

You seem aggrieved by this thread, but you spent a lot of threads mocking Obama and his supporters. Why the consternation? It seems unlike you.

What doe aggrieved mean?

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

Truth be told, I'm just bored and I like a good back and forth debate. I'm doing this so I don't have to clean my apartment.

 

[Minstrel]

What doe aggrieved mean?

Troubled.

 

[cpawfan]

You can look on Wiki if you wish.

Yes, lets use an unreliable source

More important? Not MY words. I said "She has built a highly-successful business empire, one far more complex and effective than the State Government of Alaska, amassing numerous awards in her craft along the way."

There is zero chance her business empire is more complex than the state government of Alaska.

But it is a great soundbite and we all know that political soundbites don't have to be true.

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

Troubled.

I'm not troubled at all by this thread. I just like to see where the substance for Maris' assertations come from, fabricated or not.

 

[MARIS61]

Well, you could attempt to make fun of their candidate by mockingly assuming that a hollywood actor who happens to look like your candidate would make a better VP/President based on nothing other than...well, I don't know where Maris was going with this one.

Fair enough.

I'll get you started.

I told my wife the other day that Biden looked a lot like Steven Segal, especially around the eyes when he gets that serious look going on.

See my new poll!

 

[Stepping Razor]

How does that happen in an election based upon sound bite politics and spinning to manipulate the sheep (the average voter)?

Doesn't that describe pretty much all elections? Despite the very real stupidity of much of the campaign, I still think most people have a decent general sense of what the candidates think. Post-partisan posturing of both candidates notwithstanding, Obama is basically a mainstream liberal and McCain is basically a typical conservative. I don't think many liberal voters will end up voting for McCain, and I don't think many conservative voters will end up voting for Obama (or at least not without understanding what they're doing).

 

[cpawfan]

Doesn't that describe pretty much all elections? Despite the very real stupidity of much of the campaign, I still think most people have a decent general sense of what the candidates think. Post-partisan posturing of both candidates notwithstanding, Obama is basically a mainstream liberal and McCain is basically a typical conservative. I don't think many liberal voters will end up voting for McCain, and I don't think many conservative voters will end up voting for Obama (or at least not without understanding what they're doing).

I don't believe most people have that sense. Nor do I believe that most people are generally liberal or conservative. I believe that most people are concerned about 1 or 2 issues each and just listen for that stuff. The problem for the political machines is figuring out which of those issues to put out soundbites on to grab new voters.

Essentially, I don't believe there are 2 major parties, but a ton of micro-parties. How do you put out soundbites to appeal to the pro-life/pro-union party or the pro-environmental legislation/anti-gay rights party?

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

Doesn't that describe pretty much all elections? Despite the very real stupidity of much of the campaign, I still think most people have a decent general sense of what the candidates think. Post-partisan posturing of both candidates notwithstanding, Obama is basically a mainstream liberal and McCain is basically a typical conservative. I don't think many liberal voters will end up voting for McCain, and I don't think many conservative voters will end up voting for Obama (or at least not without understanding what they're doing).

most elections are decided on one or two key issues.

this time its the economy. last time it was Iraq War and Gay Marriage (which got the evangelicals to come out...so to speak)