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PG...... I stay away from the political threads on here because honestly I am not in to following politics. I understand I should, but I served my country, so I believe I deserve a pass on this.

That said, I notice you always start threads or post kinda' bashing Obama. You aren't the only one on here who cracks on him, but just curious.......do you really spend this much time thinking about him? I love Obama and have only thought of him maybe 3 times in the past 5 years.You seem like a very smart, successful family man.....do you honestly think we were better off with Bush as our president? If so, educate me.
 
I think you only need to look at the state of the current economy to realize we were better off under Bush. Bush sucked, but he was a helluva lot better than Obama.
 
they are basically the same, except obama has a huge dong
 
PG...... I stay away from the political threads on here because honestly I am not in to following politics. I understand I should, but I served my country, so I believe I deserve a pass on this.

That said, I notice you always start threads or post kinda' bashing Obama. You aren't the only one on here who cracks on him, but just curious.......do you really spend this much time thinking about him? I love Obama and have only thought of him maybe 3 times in the past 5 years.You seem like a very smart, successful family man.....do you honestly think we were better off with Bush as our president? If so, educate me.

Why do you "love Obama?"
 
I think you only need to look at the state of the current economy to realize we were better off under Bush. Bush sucked, but he was a helluva lot better than Obama.

crack is a helluva drug
 
OK, my $0.02.

I thought Bush was a very poor President. On a 1-10 scale, about a 2.5. He was not very influential with Congress and wasn't an effective leader. Obama has been a destructive President. He has created divisions and may be considered the single worst President in history with respect to the economy. Now, that said, with the exception of the killing of that ambassador, I have approved of his foreign policy overall and environmental stances. I think he will be remembered as either a poor President like Bush, or if his doings placed the final nail in the economy, maybe the worst President ever. As to Obamacare, in the end I think it will be considered a total failure.
 
OK, my $0.02.

I thought Bush was a very poor President. On a 1-10 scale, about a 2.5. He was not very influential with Congress and wasn't an effective leader. Obama has been a destructive President. He has created divisions and may be considered the
single worst President in history with respect to the economy.

see, this is why it's hard to take anything you say seriously.

single worst? Does the name Herbert Hoover ring a bell? Or the guy who was president when the economy almost collapsed?

Now, that said, with the exception of the killing of that ambassador, I have approved of his foreign policy overall and environmental stances. I think he will be remembered as either a poor President like Bush, or if his doings placed the final nail in the economy, maybe the worst President ever. As to Obamacare, in the end I think it will be considered a total failure.

you guys are so funny with the "economy" horse shit. Is the economy great? No. Did he cause it to get worse? Nope. did he do enough (and congress is included in this indictment) to fix it? Nope.

Are we suffering from horrible inflation? Nope.
Are we suffering from hyperinfation? Nope.
Are most people unable to live and actually eat food or wait in lines to get food? Nope
Are we losing hundreds of thousands of jobs a month? Nope
Are we on the brink of a depression? Nope.
Is unemployment in the mid 20%? Nope.


Yes, there are a lot of things to be fixed. But seriously, catch a clue.
 
see, this is why it's hard to take anything you say seriously.

single worst? Does the name Herbert Hoover ring a bell? Or the guy who was president when the economy almost collapsed?.

You don't know your history. Hoover faced an entirely different set of circumstances and did more to try and get out of it.

Obama made no real effort to get out of it.

The fact is he failed to act and his policies were designed to either make it worse or for political payoffs.

That's a bad President.

Study your history!
 
you dont know shit about herbert hoover son, best be backing up off this tip

i vote reagan as worst president ever
 
As time goes on, I am becoming less and less of a fan of Obama (to the point of not voting for him, but also I don't hate him).

I think the appeal to many about Obama is he is not another rich white guy as president. Obama is not poor by any stretch of the imagination, but he isn't Romney, Bush, Kerry and the likes. And god knows many can get tired of the president always seeming to be a white guy with blue blood.

So while I hate the fact his economic policy is personally hurting me, I do get a little pleasure when people think he is bias for black people in the country. Welcome to what many have been feeling about the president (bias for rich white people) since . . . well since forever.
 
You don't know your history. Hoover faced an entirely different set of circumstances and did more to try and get out of it.

Obama made no real effort to get out of it.

The fact is he failed to act and his policies were designed to either make it worse or for political payoffs.

That's a bad President.

Study your history!

You ever think that a lot of why Obama hasn't succeeded is simply because the Republicans, in an unprecedented rate, have been refusing to help/pass laws in ANY way and have tried to undermine everything he's done since day one?

You do know that the President actually isn't the one who changes policies, and makes laws, right? But the congress, the least active and productive congress probably in 100 years, is the one who is supposed to move the ball forward. But when the R's are controlled by a very wack-job conservative wing (I'll call them T-party), who refuses to do anything to help the country because it MIGHT end up looking like they agree with the President,(even if it benefits them personally)...well, wtf do you think is going to happen?
It's not like he's implemented tons of policies or changes in an economic manner (which is partly his fault, and partly the Rs fault). That is both a negative and a positive for him, imho. Negative because he hasn't done enough, but positive because it's kind of difficult to say he's not doing enough to fix the economy with one hand, when you're saying he's screwing the economy over with the other.

I think one of the things that probably irritates liberals and democrats most, is the almost irrational fear that conservatives and republicans have, in accepting that Bush was a horrible president, set the country back years, and fucked up the economy.

That is not to say that Obama has been perfect, but seriously...if you think things are worse now than they were under Bush's 5th and 6th year in office, you are in serious need of taking off your blinders.

The economy was on the brink of collapsing. Not staggering along like it is now, COLLAPSING. Ok,you might say it's a bit extreme, but it was a dying economy. Now whether or not he (Bush) is the sole reason for it is up for debate (I happen to think he's not, it's a long history of stupid policies and decisions in WDC), but if Obama is the "worst" economic president ever (your words), it might be helpful if the guy right before him wasn't even worse.

Like I said, it's hard to take you serious (especially when you have claimed you're not a talking points conservative sheep) when you say shit like this.

We're all entitled to our opinions, however, we're not entitled to our own made up facts.
 
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As time goes on, I am becoming less and less of a fan of Obama (to the point of not voting for him, but also I don't hate him).

I think the appeal to many about Obama is he is not another rich white guy as president. Obama is not poor by any stretch of the imagination, but he isn't Romney, Bush, Kerry and the likes. And god knows many can get tired of the president always seeming to be a white guy with blue blood.

So while I hate the fact his economic policy is personally hurting me, I do get a little pleasure when people think he is bias for black people in the country. Welcome to what many have been feeling about the president (bias for rich white people) since . . . well since forever.

I know it sounds cliche'd, but Im not a fan of his. Mostly because he's not taking advantage of his position to be more aggressive and forthright about what he claims is what he stands for. You didn't see Bush (or Reagan) pussy-footing around with shit when they were in office. Republicans (although not so much now) had their shit together and knew how to make Democrats agree with them while thinking the Republicans were validating their opinions.

The Democrats suck at that, and have no spines.
 
The saying with Bush was "it's not that he doesn't like black people, it is that he doesn't like poor people"

I wonder what kind of saying Obama will end up living by: "It's not that he wanted to ruin the economy, it's just that he doesn't know what he is doing"



BTW-julius I know exactly where you are coming from. Much of what you are saying is echoed by many democrats I speak with. I personally see it as he is a man willing to compromise, but many think he has sold out and is not showing teh conviction that he promised during his campaign. Would love to read this board if he did become more aggressive and stood by his convictions more.
 
I think you only need to look at the state of the current economy to realize we were better off under Bush. Bush sucked, but he was a helluva lot better than Obama.

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BTW-julius I know exactly where you are coming from. Much of what you are saying is echoed by many democrats I speak with. I personally see it as he is a man willing to compromise, but many think he has sold out and is not showing teh conviction that he promised during his campaign. Would love to read this board if he did become more aggressive and stood by his convictions more.

To me, compromise is a good thing. However, if it's a compromise like the following, it's worthless.


Me: Can I borrow 10 dollars?
You: I will give you 0.
Me: Ok, how about 8 bucks?
You: Nope, I'll maybe give you 50 cents. I don't like lending money.
Me: Ok, I'll take 5 bucks, plus I'll pay you back double?
You: Nope
Me: Ok...my final offer, I'll give you 8 bucks and you can keep it without paying me back.
You: Nope.
Me: Ok, seriously. Last offer. I'll give you 10 bucks, PLUS...PLUS....you can keep it without paying my back AND I'll give you interest on it.
You: Fine.
Your friend: Damn, you compromised your values T_O_B, I can't believe you caved.
My friend: You fucking coward, you caved big time.
Me: No, we compromised, it's just not something you see everyday anymore.

To me, that's what Obama has done (not to that extreme, but he's caved on a lot of what he, and D's as a whole, want) AND he gets accused of not compromising or willing to.
 
I think you only need to look at the state of the current economy to realize we were better off under Bush. Bush sucked, but he was a helluva lot better than Obama.

Much like how a QB gets overly credited/blamed for a football team's wins/losses, the POTUS gets overly credited for their effect on the economy. Continuing that analogy, Congress is like the Offensive line clearing a path or letting through blitzers to level the QB. They control all spending and economic policies... the President can only make suggestions on what they should do. Bush was the worst President in my lifetime for many reasons. Having a willing Congress installing his disastrous policies which directly led to tanking the economy ranks high on the list behind 9/11 & the subsequent bold face lies told to the American people (& the world) to justify the unnecessary catastrophe that was Iraq. But make no mistake about it, his economic policies were installed & ran the country off the road.

http://www.bushtoll.com/

Under Obama, the Legislative Branch has become known as the do nothing Congress because they've barely passed anything. Despite two large margin electoral victories, his policies/economic suggestions were not installed. Hard to give him much credit or blame for the way things are going economically when obstructive politics have kept him from running any plays.

So worst President ever followed by worst Congress ever

STOMP
 
Didn't mean to start another debate......... just wanted to hear PGs opinion.
 
Obama is a product of the Chicago political machine. The most corrupt group of politicians this country has ever seen. I never expected him to accomplish anything positive during his presidency and to date he hasn't.
 

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