PapaG vs Obama Question.....

[julius]

Other than it's a fact?

Oh I'm sorry, did I miss the news where the economy is about to collapse? Or the stock market is taking a crap? or we're losing hundreds of thousands of jobs a month?

 

[tlongII]

Higher unemployment. Greater income disparity between the rich and the middle class. Incurring the largest national debt in history. Actively spying on citizens of the country. The administration has been involved in multiple scandals. I guess you did miss some of that stuff.

 

[Denny Crane]

Much like how a QB gets overly credited/blamed for a football team's wins/losses, the POTUS gets overly credited for their effect on the economy. Continuing that analogy, Congress is like the Offensive line clearing a path or letting through blitzers to level the QB. They control all spending and economic policies... the President can only make suggestions on what they should do. Bush was the worst President in my lifetime for many reasons. Having a willing Congress installing his disastrous policies which directly led to tanking the economy ranks high on the list behind 9/11 & the subsequent bold face lies told to the American people (& the world) to justify the unnecessary catastrophe that was Iraq. But make no mistake about it, his economic policies were installed & ran the country off the road.

http://www.bushtoll.com/

Under Obama, the Legislative Branch has become known as the do nothing Congress because they've barely passed anything. Despite two large margin electoral victories, his policies/economic suggestions were not installed. Hard to give him much credit or blame for the way things are going economically when obstructive politics have kept him from running any plays.

So worst President ever followed by worst Congress ever

STOMP

Everything was just fine until Pelosi and Reid became congressional leaders. Elected in 2006, ran congress for a year before the shit hit the an.

It's hard to justify his spending proposals when we were running deficits near $2 TRILLION.

It's hard to justify his ideas are successful because once his wallet was emptied, and his enacted really expensive spending ideas wore off, only then did the economy start making the jobs he's so quick to take credit for. While he was spending half of TARP and his $800B blank check, we weren't counting jobs created but jobs somehow saved.

To boot, his budget proposals have been thoroughly and unanimously rejected by every single congressman from BOTH parties. He got ZERO votes, even from his own party.

"I guess those shovel ready jobs weren't so shovel ready after all" -- Obama.

 

[julius]

Higher unemployment. Greater income disparity between the rich and the middle class. Incurring the largest national debt in history. Actively spying on citizens of the country. The administration has been involved in multiple scandals. I guess you did miss some of that stuff.

unemployment wasn't higher under Bush, that is true. But what kickstarted the trend towards high unemployment?

The 'scandals' have all proved to be overblown fluff...and until the current administration invades two countries, one of which had nothing to do with the attack on our shore and the rationale was a fabricated LIE, AND we have a known terrorist threat that they didn't take seriously happen..

then maybe you can talk. Until that point, you're just whining.

 

[Denny Crane]

unemployment wasn't higher under Bush, that is true. But what kickstarted the trend towards high unemployment?

The 'scandals' have all proved to be overblown fluff...and until the current administration invades two countries, one of which had nothing to do with the attack on our shore and the rationale was a fabricated LIE, AND we have a known terrorist threat that they didn't take seriously happen..

then maybe you can talk. Until that point, you're just whining.

Pelosi and Reid.

 

[julius]

Pelosi and Reid.

So you're wiling to admit that congress is to blame now?

 

[Denny Crane]

So you're wiling to admit that congress is to blame now?

Congress is saving our bacon right now.

We have oversight of federal agencies. Without that oversight, they spent huge amounts of taxpayer money on ritzy Vegas hotel rooms, hookers, and booze.

And they cut off Obama's allowance and now he's bragging about how there's been no spending increases and the deficit is now only 150% of Bush's largest.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/22/democrat-disgusted-with-president-obama1

A good read.

 

[PapaG]

STOMP with the obligatory "Bush's Fault" post, complete with some leftist website called bushtoll.com.

LOL

 

[PapaG]

unemployment wasn't higher under Bush, that is true. But what kickstarted the trend towards high unemployment?

then maybe you can talk. Until that point, you're just whining.

Everything is Bush's fault. When this is the baseline, it's not even worth debate. Liberals like to blame others for their failures. 5.5 years since Bush has been President, and it's still his fault. Fascinating. Perhaps liberalism really is a mental disorder.

The 'scandals' have all proved to be overblown fluff...and until the current administration invades two countries, one of which had nothing to do with the attack on our shore and the rationale was a fabricated LIE, AND we have a known terrorist threat that they didn't take seriously happen..

I can't take this guy seriously anymore. LMAO

People who blindly defended Bush, and people who blindly defend Obama, are incurious people who are part of the "Team Politics" stuff that is ruining this country.

All that is missing is Bush's grand dad and Hitler. What an embarrassing post, julius.

 

[PapaG]

To answer HCP's question, I think Obama is incompetent, and I like to point out his incompetence in this forum. I don't post political stuff on Facebook, because it drives me crazy when other people do.

As this thread showed, there is a lot of hatred for Bush, and he hasn't even been around for over 5 years, yet still gets blamed for everything.

 

[julius]

To answer HCP's question, I think Obama is incompetent, and I like to point out his incompetence in this forum. I don't post political stuff on Facebook, because it drives me crazy when other people do.

As this thread showed, there is a lot of hatred for Bush, and he hasn't even been around for over 5 years, yet still gets blamed for everything.

Do not confuse hatred with a grasp of reality and facts.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Do not confuse hatred with a grasp of reality and facts.

your turn

explain that

 

[PapaG]

Do not confuse hatred with a grasp of reality and facts.

You're speaking to yourself, right? Your rants defending the incompetent Obama in this thread are a joy to read, though, so thanks for the laughs.

 

[julius]

You're speaking to yourself, right? Your rants defending the incompetent Obama in this thread are a joy to read, though, so thanks for the laughs.

You mean where i say he hasn't done anything, and hasn't actually stood by what a lot of people in the party want?

But I guess it's kind of funny considering your inability to admit that Bush fucked up pretty bad.

 

[julius]

your turn

explain that

two wars that were unpaid for.
9/11 and the ham handed response to it.
Patriot act
Abu Ghraib
Guantanamo Bay
tax cuts for the wealthy (actually, tax cuts for everyone).
poor response to national disasters
the handling of Iraq and Afghanistan


should i continue?

 

[MickZagger]

The posters in here that think Obama is incompetent, would think Obama was incompetent no matter what he did in office.

He took office in a horrible time when Bush left and believe it or not, the economy has gotten better.

 

[MickZagger]

Its funny to me how this message board is like meeting place for the vocal minority Republican Blazer fans.

We vote in a Democratic President twice and yet everywhere I go on the internet there's angry Republicans drowning out forums with their vitriol.

 

[STOMP]

Everything was just fine until Pelosi and Reid became congressional leaders. Elected in 2006, ran congress for a year before the shit hit the an.

Anyone who follows economic news knows that the housing bubble burst of 2006 wasn't an overnight happening. Deregulate everything and let the market take care of things eh? Besides that little old nothing, Bush (via a complicit Congress) slashed taxes which I'm sure you loved. At the same time he oversaw a massive expansion of government + started 2 wars + backed the hogs to the trough Medicare part D corporate giveaway, creating a ledger completely out of balance with a massive growing deficit. With these actions it's hard to see how he wasn't trying to deliberately crash the economy.

It's hard to justify his spending proposals when we were running deficits near $2 TRILLION.

Ever hear of the old truism you've got to spend money to make money? While some expenditures are bad and only cost us (see Medicare part D), some (like most construction projects) pump money through the economy generating a proven return on investment that both parties have trumpeted over time. Unfortunately politics prevented us from investing in slam dunk proven winners for fear of the current President receiving some credit for Congress's actions.

To boot, his budget proposals have been thoroughly and unanimously rejected by every single congressman from BOTH parties. He got ZERO votes, even from his own party.

so disingenuous, so wrong. Congress never voted on his budget and you know it

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/11/30/memo-to-megyn-kelly-the-senate-never-voted-on-o/191620

STOMP

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Do not confuse hatred with a grasp of reality and facts.

and how does this address your response?

 

[MickZagger]

^ ouch! Someone got burnt.

Denny pickup your jock strap and scamper along now...

 

[MickZagger]

and how does this address your response?

I want meat and potatoes. You keep giving me radishes and cucumbers.

 

[julius]

and how does this address your response?

It addresses your inability to decipher facts culled from your ass and facts founded in reality.

 

[jlprk]

PapaG dominates so many threads, and starts so many threads over some petty political "outrage." It's no surprise that he wimped out of this one, specifically addressed to him by the nonpolitical HCP.

Everything was just fine until Pelosi and Reid became congressional leaders. Elected in 2006, ran congress for a year before the shit hit the fan...While he was spending half of TARP and his $800B blank check, we weren't counting jobs created but jobs somehow saved.

Ha ha! You mentioned jobs?

unemployment wasn't higher under Bush, that is true. But what kickstarted the trend towards high unemployment?

Do you realize that employed Americans increased by only .83% in Bush's 8 years? That's total, not annual. All he cared about was creating wars and programs to spy upon Americans. Creating jobs isn't a Republican interest.

Its funny to me how this message board is like meeting place for the vocal minority Republican Blazer fans. We vote in a Democratic President twice and yet everywhere I go on the internet there's angry Republicans drowning out forums with their vitriol.

That's what I was thinking. The more Republican blowhards pretend to represent Americans, the more Obama keeps winning election mandates. A bunch of whiners who always fail when their side holds office.

 

[Denny Crane]

Anyone who follows economic news knows that the housing bubble burst of 2006 wasn't an overnight happening. Deregulate everything and let the market take care of things eh? Besides that little old nothing, Bush (via a complicit Congress) slashed taxes which I'm sure you loved. At the same time he oversaw a massive expansion of government + started 2 wars + backed the hogs to the trough Medicare part D corporate giveaway, creating a ledger completely out of balance with a massive growing deficit. With these actions it's hard to see how he wasn't trying to deliberately crash the economy.



Ever hear of the old truism you've got to spend money to make money? While some expenditures are bad and only cost us (see Medicare part D), some (like most construction projects) pump money through the economy generating a proven return on investment that both parties have trumpeted over time. Unfortunately politics prevented us from investing in slam dunk proven winners for fear of the current President receiving some credit for Congress's actions.



so disingenuous, so wrong. Congress never voted on his budget and you know it

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/11/30/memo-to-megyn-kelly-the-senate-never-voted-on-o/191620

STOMP

Excuses, excuses. Anyone who follows the economic news knows that W inherited a giant stock market crash that wiped out as much wealth as was lost in 2008, as well as a decline in housing prices. Or that GHW Bush spent hundreds of $billions bailing out the S&Ls. Or that shortly after Reagan took office numerous banks failed, the auto industry needed to be bailed out, and the nation was on course to become a 3rd world nation?

Only Obama needs your excuses.

He's incompetent and a terrible leader.

Clinton was elected in 1992, republicans took over the house and senate in 1994, and Clinton got things done. The only difference between those obstructionist republicans and this group is those actually impeached the president.

Faced with taking action to address the economy and pent up "liberal" spending needs, he had his chief of staff (Rahm Emmanuel) whisper in his ear, "never let a good crisis go to waste" and chose the latter. Rahm's doing a bang bang (sic) up job as mayor of Chicago these days, and the economy is struggling with the foot of government on its throat.

Ever hear of the truism that when if you have a borrowing problem the first step of the way out is to stop borrowing?

The Hill isn't your biased source (media matters? LOL).

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/227857-senate-rejects-obama-budget-in-99-0-vote/

Senate rejects Obama budget in 99-0 vote

A budget resolution based on President Obama’s 2013 budget failed to get any votes in the Senate on Wednesday.

In a 99-0 vote, all of the senators present rejected the president’s blueprint.

It’s the second year in a row the Senate has voted down Obama’s budget.

Obama's 2012 budget failed 97 to 0 last May after Obama himself last April said he wanted deeper deficit cuts.

The House earlier this year unanimously rejected Obama's budget.

The White House sought to provide cover for Democrats to vote against the Obama budget resolution before the vote, arguing the resolution offered by Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) was different from Obama’s budget because it did not include policy report language.

 

[julius]

I don't know how you guys hold interest in these threads over night. I go to bed and I totally stop caring about these threads! Hell, I post in one and 10 minutes later I just lose interest.

Not being snarky

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

You ever think that a lot of why Obama hasn't succeeded is simply because the Republicans, in an unprecedented rate, have been refusing to help/pass laws in ANY way and have tried to undermine everything he's done since day one?

You do know that the President actually isn't the one who changes policies, and makes laws, right? But the congress, the least active and productive congress probably in 100 years, is the one who is supposed to move the ball forward. But when the R's are controlled by a very wack-job conservative wing (I'll call them T-party), who refuses to do anything to help the country because it MIGHT end up looking like they agree with the President,(even if it benefits them personally)...well, wtf do you think is going to happen?
It's not like he's implemented tons of policies or changes in an economic manner (which is partly his fault, and partly the Rs fault). That is both a negative and a positive for him, imho. Negative because he hasn't done enough, but positive because it's kind of difficult to say he's not doing enough to fix the economy with one hand, when you're saying he's screwing the economy over with the other.

I think one of the things that probably irritates liberals and democrats most, is the almost irrational fear that conservatives and republicans have, in accepting that Bush was a horrible president, set the country back years, and fucked up the economy.

That is not to say that Obama has been perfect, but seriously...if you think things are worse now than they were under Bush's 5th and 6th year in office, you are in serious need of taking off your blinders.

The economy was on the brink of collapsing. Not staggering along like it is now, COLLAPSING. Ok,you might say it's a bit extreme, but it was a dying economy. Now whether or not he (Bush) is the sole reason for it is up for debate (I happen to think he's not, it's a long history of stupid policies and decisions in WDC), but if Obama is the "worst" economic president ever (your words), it might be helpful if the guy right before him wasn't even worse.

Like I said, it's hard to take you serious (especially when you have claimed you're not a talking points conservative sheep) when you say shit like this.

We're all entitled to our opinions, however, we're not entitled to our own made up facts.

So stop making up facts.

 

[maxiep]

The posters in here that think Obama is incompetent, would think Obama was incompetent no matter what he did in office.

He took office in a horrible time when Bush left and believe it or not, the economy has gotten better.

The economy repairs itself. What President Obama's policies have done is to dampen the recovery, to hurt ordinary Americans at the expense of his chosen constituencies/organizations.

 

[maxiep]

Its funny to me how this message board is like meeting place for the vocal minority Republican Blazer fans.

We vote in a Democratic President twice and yet everywhere I go on the internet there's angry Republicans drowning out forums with their vitriol.

You could have written the same thing in 2005 and switched Democrat and Republican.

 

[maxiep]

Anyone who follows economic news knows that the housing bubble burst of 2006 wasn't an overnight happening. Deregulate everything and let the market take care of things eh? Besides that little old nothing, Bush (via a complicit Congress) slashed taxes which I'm sure you loved. At the same time he oversaw a massive expansion of government + started 2 wars + backed the hogs to the trough Medicare part D corporate giveaway, creating a ledger completely out of balance with a massive growing deficit. With these actions it's hard to see how he wasn't trying to deliberately crash the economy.



Ever hear of the old truism you've got to spend money to make money? While some expenditures are bad and only cost us (see Medicare part D), some (like most construction projects) pump money through the economy generating a proven return on investment that both parties have trumpeted over time. Unfortunately politics prevented us from investing in slam dunk proven winners for fear of the current President receiving some credit for Congress's actions.



so disingenuous, so wrong. Congress never voted on his budget and you know it

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/11/30/memo-to-megyn-kelly-the-senate-never-voted-on-o/191620

STOMP

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