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SlyPokerDog said:
Comparing gun related deaths to the price of a commodity isn't accurate.

We will never get data from all countries at the same time, if that's a standard you must have then you will never be able to have a discussion for or against concerning gun laws in the US compared to other countries.
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Comparing data from up to 9 years ago does not qualify. Filter it with data from the same year.
 
magnifier661 said:
No you find it since you are arguing this point. I'm not gonna do your work
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Why, I'm fine with the data. The US is always going to be higher than France. (With exceptions during WWI and WWII, lol) You're the one trying to argue that it's not.
 
barfo said:
No, actually it's not assuming that. And I think your assumption that no shooting can possibly be prevented by background checks is not very reasonable.

barfo
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So you're arguing that the unknown quantity of shootings that could have been prevented by stricter gun laws outweigh the events that did happen which would not have been prevented? It's hard to argue against some unknown quantity, that may or may not have happened.
 
magnifier661 said:
take out suicides (which they would just kill themselves using something else) and we are at 3.55. That's middle of the pack for having the largest ownership of guns. I like that stat
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did your ranking include other countries having their suicides taken out?
 
France is bombing Al-Raqqa, not to be confused with Al-Roker.
 
Natebishop3 said:
So you're arguing that the unknown quantity of shootings that could have been prevented by stricter gun laws outweigh the events that did happen which would not have been prevented? It's hard to argue against some unknown quantity, that may or may not have happened.
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Yes, I'm arguing that preventing some shootings is better than preventing no shootings. Seems pretty obvious.

As soon as they invent time machines, we can go forward in time to figure out exactly what will happen under every circumstance and adjust optimally. Until then, we'll just have to make our best attempt.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Yes, I'm arguing that preventing some shootings is better than preventing no shootings. Seems pretty obvious.

As soon as they invent time machines, we can go forward in time to figure out exactly what will happen under every circumstance and adjust optimally. Until then, we'll just have to make our best attempt.

barfo
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Preventing someone from yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater is better than preventing nobody. Cut out everyone's vocal cords. Seems just as "obvious."
 
Denny Crane said:
Preventing someone from yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater is better than preventing nobody. Cut out everyone's vocal cords. Seems just as "obvious."
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That's not a very good solution. It would be simpler and more effective to kill everyone in the theater to keep them silent. Otherwise they could play a recording of someone yelling fire.

barfo
 
barfo said:
That's not a very good solution. It would be simpler and more effective to kill everyone in the theater to keep them silent. Otherwise they could play a recording of someone yelling fire.

barfo
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Your solutions are equivalent. They don't stand up to even a teenie bit of scrutiny.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I saw that, Mags is on twitter retweeting tweets complaining about Obama not bombing Isis.
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yeah, bombing them never lead to anything bad.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Why, I'm fine with the data. The US is always going to be higher than France. (With exceptions during WWI and WWII, lol) You're the one trying to argue that it's not.
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I'm fine with your data being misleading, which makes it shit
 
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I don't know, but I suppose Paris pasted Houston in Homicides, probably trails Chicago though.
 
MarAzul said:
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I don't know, but I suppose Paris pasted Houston in Homicides, probably trails Chicago though.
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And with that chart, how it reflects Sly's out dated census, these "gun free, high crime" areas boost our national figures. Go figure.
 
magnifier661 said:
And with that chart, how it reflects Sly's out dated census, these "gun free, high crime" areas boost our national figures. Go figure.
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No, the data is from 2012 so according to you it's shit.
 
Maybe MarAzul should instead sail to Chicago and hand 0ut guns, so that Chicago would be safer.

barfo
 
magnifier661 said:
And with that chart, how it reflects Sly's out dated census, these "gun free, high crime" areas boost our national figures. Go figure.
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Oh well, Sly is from the Sly school. Here is the chick that is the head Slymaster.

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BTW, the Sly school's effort in Oregon, is way ahead of Texas, but way behind Illinois.
 
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BTW, a simple google search shows that graph is from an email and that the Chicago murder numbers are completely made up.

But according to Mags those numbers aren't shit.

Like I keep trying to tell many of you, I agree with many of your positions but I'm not afraid to take a honest look at the numbers and facts. Some of you stick your fingers in your ears and yell I can't hear you. 1st world countries with sticker gun laws do have less gun violence. The numbers show that. I like guns and own them but I'm not so insecure that I'm afraid to look at this and see if there are things we can do to eliminate gun violence.
 
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SlyPokerDog said:
countries with sticker gun laws do have less gun violence
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Sly, please don't post moronic bullshit, it doesn't become you. Of course there is less gun violence where people can not get guns. But why the hell do you think I or anyone else wants to be deprived of modern weapons? I guess if you want to be set back to the middle ages, reduce to use knives and clubs, perhaps rocks, go ahead. But don't expect sane people to join in.

Have you notice those poor bastards in France, none of whom was packing a gun, were shot down like ducks in the target gallery. Or just like people here occasionally, in gun free zones.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
BTW, a simple google search shows that graph is from an email and that the Chicago murder numbers are completely made up.

But according to Mags those numbers aren't shit.

Like I keep trying to tell many of you, I agree with many of your positions but I'm not afraid to take a honest look at the numbers and facts. Some of you stick your fingers in your ears and yell I can't hear you. 1st world countries with sticker gun laws do have less gun violence. The numbers show that. I like guns and own them but I'm not so insecure that I'm afraid to look at this and see if there are things we can do to eliminate gun violence.
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http://www.breitbart.com/blog/2013/01/31/a-tale-of-two-cities/

Chicago still loses big.
 
MarAzul said:
Sly, please don't post moronic bullshit, it doesn't become you. Of course there is less gun violence where people can not get guns. But why the hell do you think I or anyone else wants to be deprived of modern weapons? I guess if you want to be set back to the middle ages, reduce to use knives and clubs, perhaps rocks, go ahead. But don't expect sane people to join in.

Have you notice those poor bastard in France, none of whom was packing a gun, were shot down like ducks in the target gallery. Or just like people here occasionally in gun free zones.
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You're the one who wants to allow anyone, criminal, terrorist, illegal alien to buy a gun.

I think there most definitely are people who should be denied and deprived of weapons. The vast majority of Americans and law enforcement agree with this.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
You're the one who wants to allow anyone, criminal, terrorist, illegal alien to buy a gun.

I think there most definitely are people who should be denied and deprived of weapons. The vast majority of Americans and law enforcement agree with this.
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Yeah, like everybody who would rather shoot people trying to take their guns than surrender them.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Not saying it doesn't but Mags and Marazul didn't even bother to check. The numbers are bad enough on their own, why exaggerate them by 3x?
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Tho the source is breitbart, I did veryfy the murder figures.
 
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