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SlyPokerDog said:
I heard and was going to post the story about Adel Termos but there seems to be a very vocal minority around here that thinks all Muslims are bad.
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What bothered me even more, when I read the article, was that I'd never heard about the attack in Turkey either. We're not getting the whole story.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I heard and was going to post the story about Adel Termos but there seems to be a very vocal minority around here that thinks all Muslims are bad.
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Not "bad", but certainly different from American culture in many important respects. Some of the findings of a Pew research study are pretty eye-opening:

http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

- Sharia law
Acceptance of sharia as the revealed word of God is high across South Asia and most of the Middle East and North Africa. For example, roughly eight-in-ten Muslims (81%) in Pakistan and Jordan say sharia is the revealed word of God, as do clear majorities in most other countries surveyed in these two regions.

Support for sharia as the official law of the land also is widespread among Muslims in the Middle East-North Africa region – especially in Iraq (91%) and the Palestinian territories (89%). Only in Lebanon does opinion lean in the opposite direction: 29% of Lebanese Muslims favor making sharia the law of the land, while 66% oppose it.

The belief that sharia should extend to nonMuslims is most widespread in the Middle East and North Africa, where at least four-in-ten Muslims in all countries except Iraq (38%) and Morocco (29%) hold this opinion. Egyptian Muslims (74%) are the most likely to say it should apply to Muslims and non-Muslims alike, while 58% in Jordan hold this view.

Muslims who support the implementation of sharia as the official law say religious judges should decide family and property matters. This includes more than nine-in-ten in Egypt (95%) and Jordan (93%), and nearly as many in Malaysia (88%) and Pakistan (87%).
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- Religion and the State:

The prevailing view among Muslims in Southeast Asia, South Asia and the Middle East-North Africa region is that religious leaders should have at least some influence in political matters.

In the Middle East-North Africa region, a majority of Muslims in most countries surveyed say religious leaders should play a role in politics. Support is highest among Muslims in Jordan (80%), Egypt (75%) and the Palestinian territories (72%). Roughly six-in-ten in Tunisia (58%) and Iraq (57%) agree. Lebanese Muslims are significantly less supportive; 37% think religious leaders should have at least some role in political matters, while 62% disagree. In each country in the region except Lebanon, about a quarter or more say religious leaders should have a large influence on politics, including 37% in Jordan.
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- Support for suicide bombings, at least some of the time to protect Islam:

Muslims in some countries surveyed in South Asia and the Middle East-North Africa region are more likely than Muslims elsewhere to consider suicide bombing justified. Four-in-ten Palestinian Muslims see suicide bombing as often or sometimes justified, while roughly half (49%) take the opposite view. In Egypt, about three-in-ten (29%) consider suicide bombing justified at least sometimes. Elsewhere in the region, fewer Muslims believe such violence is often or sometimes justified, including fewer than one-in-five in Jordan (15%) and about one-in-ten in Tunisia (12%), Morocco (9%) and Iraq (7%).
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- Morals

Most Muslims surveyed say that drinking alcohol is morally wrong.

Most Muslims say that having an abortion is morally wrong, including three-quarters or more in 24 of the 37 countries where the question was asked.

A strong majority of Muslims in nearly all countries surveyed condemn pre- and extramarital sex, including three-quarters or more in 29 of the 36 countries where the question was asked.

Muslims in the countries surveyed are divided on the moral status of polygamy.27 At least half view polygamy as morally acceptable in 11 of the 37 countries where the question was asked.

The survey asked Muslims whether honor killings are ever justified as punishment for pre- or extra-marital sex.29 In 14 of the 23 countries where the question was asked, at least half say honor killings are never justified when a woman stands accused.

In nearly all countries surveyed, a majority of Muslims say that a wife should always obey her husband.

Overall, the survey finds that Muslims who want sharia to be the law of the land in their country often, though not uniformly, are less likely to support equal rights for women and more likely to favor traditional gender roles.
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- Violence

More than eight-in-ten American Muslims say suicide bombings and other forms of violence against civilian targets are never justified (81%) or rarely justified (5%) to defend Islam from its enemies. Worldwide, most Muslims also reject this type of violence, with a median of 72% saying such attacks are never justified and 10% saying they are rarely justified. Just 1% of U.S. Muslims and a median of 3% of Muslims worldwide say suicide bombings and other violence against civilian targets are often justified, while 7% of U.S. Muslims and a global median of 8% of Muslims say such attacks are sometimes justified to defend Islam.
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So, I guess if you're using support of suicide bombings as a measure of "bad", something like 1 to 7 percent would qualify. That doesn't necessarily mean that they'd do it themselves, but it certainly doesn't mean they wouldn't given the right circumstances. The problem, of course, is that the Paris attacks were carried out by only a half dozen people.

All of this isn't to say that I'm adamantly opposed to accepting some of the refugees from Syria; just that we'd better be damned careful how we go about it and we'd better also be willing to accept that no vetting process is going to be 100 percent effective.
 
Man, these radical #BLM, not saying it's the entire group, are a complete joke.

http://www.weaselzippers.us/239910-...tion-is-on-paris-because-its-a-white-tragedy/

#BlackLivesMatter Supporters Start #FuckParis Hashtag, Say Attention Is On Paris Because It’s A ‘White Tragedy’
The avatar is of Sandra Bland, claiming she was killed by police before her mugshot was taken.


Sandra Bland committed suicide and had been upset that neither her family or fellow activists would reach into their wallets and bail her out of jail, according to the person who was in the cell near her.




And yesterday, they actually claimed people are ignoring the crazy student lunatics at Mizzou and paying attention to Paris, because the Paris is a ‘white’ tragedy.



They missed the many non-white victims of the Paris attacks,including black people, not that they care, since all they really care about is just themselves.
 
magnifier661 said:
Man, these radical #BLM, not saying it's the entire group, are a complete joke.

http://www.weaselzippers.us/239910-...tion-is-on-paris-because-its-a-white-tragedy/

#BlackLivesMatter Supporters Start #FuckParis Hashtag, Say Attention Is On Paris Because It’s A ‘White Tragedy’
The avatar is of Sandra Bland, claiming she was killed by police before her mugshot was taken.


Sandra Bland committed suicide and had been upset that neither her family or fellow activists would reach into their wallets and bail her out of jail, according to the person who was in the cell near her.




And yesterday, they actually claimed people are ignoring the crazy student lunatics at Mizzou and paying attention to Paris, because the Paris is a ‘white’ tragedy.



They missed the many non-white victims of the Paris attacks,including black people, not that they care, since all they really care about is just themselves.
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thanks for keeping the conversation sane.
 
Maybe there's no connection, and I'm an idiot, if so forgive me. But it's amusing to me that we should do nothing to limit the availability of guns, because we're never going to stop mass shootings from happening by limiting guns, so really, why bother doing anything at all. Guns for all!

While at the same time, and it seems to me, the very same people(not in this message board, generically speaking) say we should shut our borders from Syrian refugees because maybe one of the 10,000 could potentially maybe possibly be or become a terrorist, and if we can make one large sweeping act to potentially down the road theoretically save lives from an attack, than doing so is well worth it.

We know we can't stop shootings. If a criminal wants a gun, they'll get it. We know that we can't stop terrorist attacks. If an individual wants to incite terror, they'll do it. Why then are drastic measures ok on one end, then?

Granted in doing so we put those refugee lives in danger, and there's also the fact that this is exactly what ISIS would likely want, as, if they stay in worn torn hell, they're much more likely to actually become a terrorist than if they had a chance at living in the US or elsewhere.

I won't bother to get into only allowing in Christians, that sort of opinion is just disgusting to me.

But I imagine in much the same way that we equate those individuals fighting against gay rights to those fighting against the civil rights movement, we'll look back, hopefully, at these individuals who want to oppose giving safe haven to refuges the same way many in the US opposed helping the jews leave Europe during World War II.
 
I'm fine with taking in refugees. The Christians ought to act like Christians and show them charity.
 
Denny Crane said:
I'm fine with taking in refugees. The Christians ought to act like Christians and show them charity.
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Baloney! We should act like a prudent people. War has been declared on our people by people that believe in Jihad. Jihad is an Islamic construct and the people that fight for the Jihad are almost entirely Muslims with perhaps a very few recent converts. Under the current circumstances, bringing in several hundred thousand muslims from anywhere is less than prudent. More like shear stupidity. The Police in Paris are having a gun fight as I type, in the Muslim neighborhoods the French have allowed to be formed. Now they pay the price.
Obama is insane for even suggesting this, but I fear that isn't quite right either, more like it is like a plan coming together. His plan.
 
SlyPokerDog said:


What Americans thought of Jewish refugees on the eve of World War II

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...f-jewish-refugees-on-the-eve-of-world-war-ii/
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God damn racist Americans not wanting Jewish refugees coming here taking our jobs!!!!!!!!!!

Oh wait, in the column it says support was lower when they didn't describe them as Jewish.

But let's make sure and make it look more evil by making it seem we wanted more Jews sent to the gas chambers because I'm SURE EVERYONE KNEW AND DIDN'T CARE.
 
RR7 said:
Maybe there's no connection, and I'm an idiot, if so forgive me. But it's amusing to me that we should do nothing to limit the availability of guns, because we're never going to stop mass shootings from happening by limiting guns, so really, why bother doing anything at all. Guns for all!

While at the same time, and it seems to me, the very same people(not in this message board, generically speaking) say we should shut our borders from Syrian refugees because maybe one of the 10,000 could potentially maybe possibly be or become a terrorist, and if we can make one large sweeping act to potentially down the road theoretically save lives from an attack, than doing so is well worth it.

We know we can't stop shootings. If a criminal wants a gun, they'll get it. We know that we can't stop terrorist attacks. If an individual wants to incite terror, they'll do it. Why then are drastic measures ok on one end, then?

Granted in doing so we put those refugee lives in danger, and there's also the fact that this is exactly what ISIS would likely want, as, if they stay in worn torn hell, they're much more likely to actually become a terrorist than if they had a chance at living in the US or elsewhere.

I won't bother to get into only allowing in Christians, that sort of opinion is just disgusting to me.

But I imagine in much the same way that we equate those individuals fighting against gay rights to those fighting against the civil rights movement, we'll look back, hopefully, at these individuals who want to oppose giving safe haven to refuges the same way many in the US opposed helping the jews leave Europe during World War II.
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I forgive you.
 
We spend $16,000 per refugee just to fly them halfway around the world. That's $16,000 per refugee pissed away without making any improvement in their situation at all. That just gets them to the airport in some American city where they can beg for cab fare to...Oh yeah, they'll need a home. Maybe not, since 3.5 million Americans are homeless at some point every year. Can't calculate what "we" will spend over their lifetimes. I do know our social services can only help refugees by shunning needy Americans, unless they have some secret slush fund they've been hoarding. Politically speaking, waves of refugees and mass amnesties are a pc way of assembling a slave-labor force to keep wages down and unions weak. Seems we could just send each one of them $16,000 and they would have enough to live comfortably in Europe for a year while they settled into their new life. But there are 20 million more of them who will eventually be coming, unless somebody friendly to them invades and permanently occupies Syria. My grandkids shouldn't have to pay for them, they've already got an $18,000,000,000,000.00 deficit compounding daily for them. So I propose everyone who wants to sponsor a refugee for life step up to the plate right now, or STFU.

As for the handful who will inevitably do bad things, The Second Amendment has that covered.
 
Of the Paris attackers identified so far, all were citizens of european nations, not refugees.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...infiltrate-the-syrian-refugee-program/416475/

In the 14 years since September 11, 2001, the United States has resettled 784,000 refugees from around the world, according to data from the Center for Migration Studies, a D.C. think tank. And within that population, three people have been arrested for activities related to terrorism. None of them were close to executing an attack inside the U.S., and two of the men were caught trying to leave the country to join terrorist groups overseas.
 
2 dead and 7 arrested in Paris. One killed was sniped by Paris sniper. The other blew herself up with a bomb vest
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
God damn racist Americans not wanting Jewish refugees coming here taking our jobs!
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I think that might be very close to the thinking of a whole lot of people at the time. The US had not recovered from the Depression, unemployment was around
20%. No one had ever heard of the Holocaust yet.
 
BOOOM! http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-...ermind-abdelhamid-6857040?ICID=FB_mirror_main

Abaaoud, 29, was believed to have been in Syria but became one of the world's most wanted men following the attacks on Friday
Abdelhamid-Abaaoud.jpg

The mastermind behind the Paris terror attacks Abdelhamid Abaaoud has been killed, senior intelligence officials have said.

Abaaoud, 29, was believed to have been in Syria but became one of the world's most wanted men following the attacks on Friday

It is currently unclear how or where he was killed.

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Attack: Policemen are at work in the northern Paris suburb of Saint-Denis city centre
His reported death comes after it was revealed that terror suspects seized after a shoot out were planning to launch a second devastating atrocity in Paris, just days after the atttacks which killed 129.

Police raiding a safe house in St Denis discovered the group were plotting to bomb the city's La Defense business district on Thursday, it has been reported.

The attack would have been carried out in the Quatre Temps shopping centre and the main square of the district in the western edge of the city.

The district of high rise tower blocks is home to some of the country's biggest companies such as the oil giant Total and the main trading floor of the Societe Generale bank.
 
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