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This dude, that seemingly nobody in the league wants, averaged almost 20 minutes a night, never got benched (mainly because we had no one else) and had numerous knights on this board. But yeah Neil is doing a bang up job, definitely keep defending him.
 
Jelloman said:
What does that say about our bench last year? He was a rotational player playing 18 minute a game. You telling me we have been playing a NON-NBA caliber player 18 minute a game last year and was still the 3rd best team in the West!?!?
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Says a lot about the coaching that so many seem to think is the problem. Terry has this team overachieving (relative to their talent) every season. Imagine if the GM actually helped him out.
 
Scalma said:
Says a lot about the coaching that so many seem to think is the problem. Terry has this team overachieving (relative to their talent) every season. Imagine if the GM actually helped him out.
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If that happened we might win a few games in the postseason. But Neil is happy just to get in like a mid major to the tourney.
 
Scalma said:
This dude, that seemingly nobody in the league wants, averaged almost 20 minutes a night, never got benched (mainly because we had no one else) and had numerous knights on this board. But yeah Neil is doing a bang up job, definitely keep defending him.
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Who's defending Neil? He let Connaughton walk. Isn't that what you wanted?

BNM
 
Scalma said:
No. I wanted him to upgrade the bench last offseason. Instead he handed Connaughton a rotation spot.
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I want that every off season. When was the last time we had an average bench? A great bench? 2008-09?

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
I want that every off season. When was the last time we had an average bench? A great bench? 2008-09?

BNM
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Notwithstanding the loss of Ed Davis, I feel like the Blazers did upgrade their bench, overall. Only time will tell.

:cheers:
 
BBert said:
Notwithstanding the loss of Ed Davis, I feel like the Blazers did upgrade their bench, overall. Only time will tell.

:cheers:
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Feel like Portland believes Collins is going to be the replacement for those minutes.
Feel like Portland believes it will be addition by subtraction.
We'll see.
 
BBert said:
Notwithstanding the loss of Ed Davis, I feel like the Blazers did upgrade their bench, overall. Only time will tell.

:cheers:
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We definitely added shooting/scoring. I was very impressed with the poise and confidence of both rookies during the summer league. Based on experience and size, I was hopeful Trent Jr. could crack the rotation by season's end. I still think he's the more physically mature of the two, but Simons is much closer than I thought he'd be. The kid can play.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
We definitely added shooting/scoring. I was very impressed with the poise and confidence of both rookies during the summer league. Based on experience and size, I was hopeful Trent Jr. could crack the rotation by season's end. I still think he's the more physically mature of the two, but Simons is much closer than I thought he'd be. The kid can play.

BNM
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And to be clear, I think some of that improvement should come from natural improvement of some of the players on the team, in addition to some of the new players.

Also, when you lose a player like Ed, or any player, you don't lose 100% of what the lost player gave you. You lose the difference between what that player would have given you, and what his replacements end up giving you. If the remaining front court players improve over last season, the net loss might be minimal, or a wash, or ideally, a "negative loss" (IOW an improvement). Overall.

So again, at this moment I expect next season's bench to be better, overall, than last season's bench.

But then again, I've been known to be a glass half full (of it) kind of guy.

:cheers:
 
Actually the team will need to sign at least one more player. I would not mind seeing Pat play here next year.
 
kjironman1 said:
Actually the team will need to sign at least one more player. I would not mind seeing Pat play here next year.
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KJ, who do you keep forgetting? I've seen you post several times referencing the roster isn't full but we have 15 guys with guaranteed contracts.
 
kjironman1 said:
Actually the team will need to sign at least one more player. I would not mind seeing Pat play here next year.
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I have no desire to see Pat play here next year. He is a known quantity but with limited upside. I'd much rather give that time to one of our rookies or new signee's so that we can see if we have sometime better. Keeping a marginal talent player rather than exploring seems like a guaranteed path to continued mediocrity. We sign and draft new people in the hopes that they will provide a higher level of play, either short or long-term.

Pat was a great guy and I was glad to see him have some success but keeping him around would do nothing to improve the Blazers. Those at the end of the bench are those who are most replaceable and most likely to be improved by bringing in a semi-unknown quantity.

Gramps...
 
hoopsjock said:
KJ, who do you keep forgetting? I've seen you post several times referencing the roster isn't full but we have 15 guys with guaranteed contracts.
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No you have not seen me post this several times because i haven't posted several times all summer other than some goofy crap and the Addidas store. I'm so far out of the loop i missed that they picked up Nic and Wade. Then after reading your response i actually looked and figured out they now have Layman as guaranteed after June 30th and it looks like Swanigan is guaranteed until the team option kicks in next year. Way too late in my book. Sorry i will do better next time. Then there is the fact that after posting this i realized this thread was from last summer. Still my opinion stands. Pat would have been more valuable than a couple of the players they have on this roster.

This pretty much falls under the title. KJ didn't know what the fuck he was posting and looks stupid right about now.
 
GrandpaBlaze said:
I have no desire to see Pat play here next year. He is a known quantity but with limited upside. I'd much rather give that time to one of our rookies or new signee's so that we can see if we have sometime better. Keeping a marginal talent player rather than exploring seems like a guaranteed path to continued mediocrity. We sign and draft new people in the hopes that they will provide a higher level of play, either short or long-term.

Pat was a great guy and I was glad to see him have some success but keeping him around would do nothing to improve the Blazers. Those at the end of the bench are those who are most replaceable and most likely to be improved by bringing in a semi-unknown quantity.

Gramps...
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Thing is he isn't end of the bench. So there is that.
 
kjironman1 said:
No you have not seen me post this several times because i haven't posted several times all summer other than some goofy crap and the Addidas store. I'm so far out of the loop i missed that they picked up Nic and Wade. Then after reading your response i actually looked and figured out they now have Layman as guaranteed after June 30th and it looks like Swanigan is guaranteed until the team option kicks in next year. Way too late in my book. Sorry i will do better next time. Then there is the fact that after posting this i realized this thread was from last summer. Still my opinion stands. Pat would have been more valuable than a couple of the players they have on this roster.

This pretty much falls under the title. KJ didn't know what the fuck he was posting and looks stupid right about now.
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Humility makes me happy. You get a like from me.
 
kjironman1 said:
Thing is he isn't end of the bench. So there is that.
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On a team with a slightly more talented bench, he would be end of bench. Having "no-show Layman", Butters and the like surrounding him doesn't make Pat better overall, it just makes him a better alternative.

Pat is not a bad player but he is not a difference maker by any means and the goal is to replace non-impact players with difference makers. You take chances with signee's and draftee's and hope that they improve the team overall.

Based on SL, I have hopes that will be the case, Pat C's replacement will provide more of an impact (and perhaps in a bad way occasionally but overall, I think the odds it will be better).

Gramps...
 
Olshey commented that player's often make the "3rd year jump", and in some ways Pat did just that - he went from incompetent to a poor man's Danny Young. Not good enough.

He played hard though, and was a good team player. Nothing but hopes that he finds success in the NBA or MLB.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Humility makes me happy. You get a like from me.
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It's not just humility. But yes i need to be humble there.
I am so far out of the loop right now it's gonna take me like a month to even start to figure out who is on what team.
I'll start about pre season and get some pre games going. That always starts to make the game fun again. But Summer trade scenarios and the constant cap space conversations just take way too much time to stick with. So yeah i better just stick to what i know.
 
GrandpaBlaze said:
On a team with a slightly more talented bench, he would be end of bench. Having "no-show Layman", Butters and the like surrounding him doesn't make Pat better overall, it just makes him a better alternative.

Pat is not a bad player but he is not a difference maker by any means and the goal is to replace non-impact players with difference makers. You take chances with signee's and draftee's and hope that they improve the team overall.

Based on SL, I have hopes that will be the case, Pat C's replacement will provide more of an impact (and perhaps in a bad way occasionally but overall, I think the odds it will be better).

Gramps...
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Well i guess i have to disagree again and agree to disagree. Layman plays SF and PF and Leonard plays PF and Center. They had absolutely no impact on what Pat was doing. Wade Baldwin will be his replacement and will fit in fine i'm sure but still doesn't really have a great outside shot? Then of course Curry. Simmons might be a better option? and Trent or Stauskas might be able to work into the role? Doesn't seem to be all that much there that is better. Lets hope i am wrong on that.
 
kjironman1 said:
Well i guess i have to disagree again and agree to disagree. Layman plays SF and PF and Leonard plays PF and Center. They had absolutely no impact on what Pat was doing. Wade Baldwin will be his replacement and will fit in fine i'm sure but still doesn't really have a great outside shot? Then of course Curry. Simmons might be a better option? and Trent or Stauskas might be able to work into the role? Doesn't seem to be all that much there that is better. Lets hope i am wrong on that.
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Thing is, when referencing Layman and Meyers as Pat replacements, they're talking about role, not position. We can get Pat's skillset from a different position, and then the player filling Pat's position can bring something different to help the team even more (like elite perimeter defense from Baldwin, or additional deadeye shooting from Curry).
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Thing is, when referencing Layman and Meyers as Pat replacements, they're talking about role, not position. We can get Pat's skillset from a different position, and then the player filling Pat's position can bring something different to help the team even more (like elite perimeter defense from Baldwin, or additional deadeye shooting from Curry).
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Layman and Leonard will carry on the role of white dudes at the end of the bench waving towels, who only get in the game once one of the coaches starts waving a white flag...
 
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