OT Patriot Prayer brings loaded guns to parking garage rooftop

[Lanny]

They positioned the loaded firearms before the August 4 protest.

https://www.memeorandum.com/181015/p145#a181015p145

 

[Natebishop3]

They positioned the loaded firearms before the August 4 protest.

https://www.memeorandum.com/181015/p145#a181015p145

Did they position them? Because I believe they would have been arrested if they had. I have been trying to find out some actual details about what happened but the city seems to have been very vague. They weren't arrested and the guns were returned to them because they had concealed weapons permits.

They did release that they were rifles, but I guarantee that if the guns were out and being "positioned" as you said, they would have been arrested.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Did they position them? Because I believe they would have been arrested if they had. I have been trying to find out some actual details about what happened but the city seems to have been very vague. They weren't arrested and the guns were returned to them because they had concealed weapons permits.

They did release that they were rifles, but I guarantee that if the guns were out and being "positioned" as you said, they would have been arrested.

https://www.portlandmercury.com/blo...loaded-firearms-to-roof-before-august-protest

 

[Natebishop3]

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2018/10/police_release_more_details_on.html

This is why I hate our sensationalist media.

Police said they found four people on top of a parking garage at Southwest First Avenue and Jefferson Street on Aug. 4 with three rifles, all in cases.

The men let a sergeant inspect the rifles. None of the rifles was loaded. One was disassembled. All the men had concealed weapons permits, according to police.

The men told police they planned to stay at the garage and "act as a quick extraction team'' in case someone from their group was injured during the demonstration.

A sergeant instructed the men to store the rifles in a locked container in the back of one of their pickups and place any ammunition in a different part of the truck, and they complied. Police made no arrests.

No laws were broken and there was no imminent danger to the public, police said Tuesday.

 

[Natebishop3]

They positioned the loaded firearms before the August 4 protest.

https://www.memeorandum.com/181015/p145#a181015p145

So..... according to the Oregonian....

1. They weren't loaded. So you were wrong there.

2. They weren't positioned. They were in cases and one of them wasn't even assembled.

Where did you read either of those "facts?"

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

https://www.portlandmercury.com/blo...loaded-firearms-to-roof-before-august-protest

This one says confiscated. The next link doesn't.

 

[jlprk]

Who cares how ready the guns were? They could quickly prepare them. They planned to shoot up the place if they thought it was necessary. The FBI often arrests such terrorists based upon mere plans. They get 40 years in prison. Why aren't these Patriot anarchists in jail right now with other terrorists?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Who cares how ready the guns were? They could quickly prepare them. They planned to shoot up the place if they thought it was necessary. The FBI often arrests such terrorists based upon mere plans. They get 40 years in prison. Why aren't these Patriot anarchists in jail right now with other terrorists?

Because they didn't tell anyone with the FBI that they planned on shooting up the place.

 

[jlprk]

Because they didn't tell anyone with the FBI that they planned on shooting up the place.

You must have missed this sentence.

The men told police they planned to stay at the garage and "act as a quick extraction team'' in case someone from their group was injured during the demonstration.

Or do you think they just brought their guns to shine up, while they were bored?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

You must have missed this sentence.



Or do you think they just brought their guns to shine up, while they were bored?

The idiot who wanted to blow up Pioneer Courthouse Square clearly told the undercover FBI agent that he wanted to kill people.

The Patriot Prayer idiots made no clear statement.

 

[Natebishop3]

You must have missed this sentence.



Or do you think they just brought their guns to shine up, while they were bored?

What do you think people who have concealed weapon permits do? They have them loaded and ready in case something happens.

 

[jlprk]

What do you think people who have concealed weapon permits do? They have them loaded and ready in case something happens.

I didn't realize that the Concealed Weapon Permits allow you to bring big unconcealable rifles to a roof

The Patriot Prayer idiots made no clear statement.

and then admit to police that you have a specific shooting plan...you have ascended to a shooting position on a roof during a demonstration, so you can help your comrades by shooting people blocking their exit.

 

[MARIS61]

Who cares how ready the guns were? They could quickly prepare them. They planned to shoot up the place if they thought it was necessary. The FBI often arrests such terrorists based upon mere plans. They get 40 years in prison. Why aren't these Patriot anarchists in jail right now with other terrorists?

The police are the only criminals in this instance.

They clearly violated the 2nd Amendment rights of the victims and also committed armed robberies of the legally armed citizens.

 

[MARIS61]

I didn't realize that the Concealed Weapon Permits allow you to bring big unconcealable rifles to a roof



and then admit to police that you have a specific shooting plan...you have ascended to a shooting position on a roof during a demonstration, so you can help your comrades by shooting people blocking their exit.

Oregon is an open carry state.

2nd Amendment also protects open and concealed carry everywhere on American soil.

The rest of your post is imaginary.

 

[Natebishop3]

I didn't realize that the Concealed Weapon Permits allow you to bring big unconcealable rifles to a roof



and then admit to police that you have a specific shooting plan...you have ascended to a shooting position on a roof during a demonstration, so you can help your comrades by shooting people blocking their exit.

If they're in a case, in your car, then yes.... you can bring them to a roof.

 

[donkiez]

I love the whole "they are just a bunch of average Joe Americans hangingout of a roof who happen to have rifles" defense. "Nothing to see here they weren't out, loaded and pointed at anybody."

Come on guys, if the situation was exactly the same but it was Antifa up there you would be all over those violent troublemakers.

 

[The Professional Fan]

I love the whole "they are just a bunch of average Joe Americans hangingout of a roof who happen to have rifles" defense. "Nothing to see here they weren't out, loaded and pointed at anybody."

Come on guys, if the situation was exactly the same but it was Antifa up there you would be all over those violent troublemakers.

Fact. Also fact, if the Portland Police happened upon a group of Antifa on a roof top with the same weapons, in the same state of readiness (or lack there of) they would have been arrested at the very minimum.

The only difference is these bible thumping dip shits are not anti police where Antifa are

Protect and serve (the groups that support and align with you)

 

[donkiez]

Fact. Also fact, if the Portland Police happened upon a group of Antifa on a roof top with the same weapons, in the same state of readiness (or lack there of) they would have been arrested at the very minimum.

The only difference is these bible thumping dip shits are not anti police where Antifa are

Protect and serve (the groups that support and align with you)

The Patriot prayer groups whole game plan is to antognize Antifa into a fight so they can prove how violent the left is and gain coverage for themselves. It's a very simple and transparent plan and yet some people buy their act hook line and sinker, probably because they wave American flags and pray while they do it.

 

[Natebishop3]

I love the whole "they are just a bunch of average Joe Americans hangingout of a roof who happen to have rifles" defense. "Nothing to see here they weren't out, loaded and pointed at anybody."

Come on guys, if the situation was exactly the same but it was Antifa up there you would be all over those violent troublemakers.

I just want the story to be accurate. I don't like Patriot Prayer. I don't like the Proud Boys. I don't like that they show up and do battle with Antifa in our streets.

But instead of spreading panic and misrepresenting the truth, I would rather the actual facts come out. The way this story was originally presented, it sounded like the police found several guys on a roof with rifles who were preparing to snipe. Also, a weapon's cache sounds a lot more substantial than one rifle per guy.

If it had been Antifa, first I would have been shocked because I doubt they know what a Quick Reaction Force is, and second I would wanted the facts to be clear in that example as well. These men broke no laws. Should they have been questioned? Absolutely. Should they have been warned? Yes. But they did nothing wrong so you can't arrest them.

I hate the sensationalist style of our journalism and then the subsequent passing of that information by people on social media. Look at the first post in this thread. Nothing in that post was accurate about what happened.

 

[Natebishop3]

Fact. Also fact, if the Portland Police happened upon a group of Antifa on a roof top with the same weapons, in the same state of readiness (or lack there of) they would have been arrested at the very minimum.

The only difference is these bible thumping dip shits are not anti police where Antifa are

Protect and serve (the groups that support and align with you)

I disagree. No laws were broken. There was nothing to be arrested for. If the situation had been exactly the same only with Antifa instead of Patriot Prayer, the Police could not have arrested them.

 

[Natebishop3]

The Patriot prayer groups whole game plan is to antognize Antifa into a fight so they can prove how violent the left is and gain coverage for themselves. It's a very simple and transparent plan and yet some people buy their act hook line and sinker, probably because they wave American flags and pray while they do it.

Well yeah..... isn't that obvious? So why the hell is Antifa falling for it? I guarantee that if nobody showed up to counter protest these yokels, eventually they would get bored and go home.

 

[donkiez]

Well yeah..... isn't that obvious? So why the hell is Antifa falling for it? I guarantee that if nobody showed up to counter protest these yokels, eventually they would get bored and go home.

That's always been my point. Dont show up and Patriot prayers look like a bunch of fools waving American flags and Bible's while marching everywhere.

Using a basketball references I always thought the best way to ice someone on the free throw line during a big moment is for the home crowd to be dead silent.

Neither situation is realistic though, some people just can't help themselves.

 

[Natebishop3]

That's always been my point. Dont show up and Patriot prayers look like a bunch of fools waving American flags and Bible's while marching everywhere.

Using a basketball references I always thought the best way to ice someone on the free throw line during a big moment is for the home crowd to be dead silent.

Neither situation is realistic though, some people just can't help themselves.

The thing is, they don't really move when they protest. They pick a spot and they wait for Antifa to show up. And then after the police break it up, they get back on their buses and go home. So I wish everyone, including the media, would just ignore them when they show up.

 

[The Professional Fan]

The Patriot prayer groups whole game plan is to antognize Antifa into a fight so they can prove how violent the left is and gain coverage for themselves. It's a very simple and transparent plan and yet some people buy their act hook line and sinker, probably because they wave American flags and pray while they do it.

This is a fact as well.

 

[The Professional Fan]

I disagree. No laws were broken. There was nothing to be arrested for. If the situation had been exactly the same only with Antifa instead of Patriot Prayer, the Police could not have arrested them.

Riiiiight....."could not have arrested them?" What about beating them? Shooting them?

 

[donkiez]

The thing is, they don't really move when they protest. They pick a spot and they wait for Antifa to show up. And then after the police break it up, they get back on their buses and go home. So I wish everyone, including the media, would just ignore them when they show up.

How about instead of wishing everybody ignores them and blaming Antifa for falling for it, we blame them for being there in the first place with sole intention of antognizing and publicizing?

 

[Natebishop3]

How about instead of wishing everybody ignores them and blaming Antifa for falling for it, we blame them for being there in the first place with sole intention of antognizing and publicizing?

Because freedom of speech grants them the ability to be there. And to my knowledge they haven't marched through the streets destroying property or blocking freeways. I personally hate both groups.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

The Patriot prayer groups whole game plan is to antognize Antifa into a fight so they can prove how violent the left is and gain coverage for themselves. It's a very simple and transparent plan and yet some people buy their act hook line and sinker, probably because they wave American flags and pray while they do it.

Antifa doesn't needed to be antagonized. They lack frame control.

 

[donkiez]

Because freedom of speech grants them the ability to be there. And to my knowledge they haven't marched through the streets destroying property or blocking freeways. I personally hate both groups.

Freedom of speech allow Antifa to counter protest and freedom of press allows the press cover the story.

If your asking some one to punch you in the face, then they do it, is it all their fault? Do you still get to play the victim?

 

[dviss1]

Antifa>>>>>>>>> those racist motherfuckers